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Message #5265
Fri May 1, 2009 10:02 pm
"malsman250" <malsman250(at)neo.rr.com>
Call Pitch Baseball - 1974
Hey guys - Anybody have a set of rules available for "Call Pitch Baseball", Donald Henkel, 1974?
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Message #5266 Mon May 4, 2009 11:44 am
"Jerome, David R." <David.Jerome(at)us.ngrid.com>
Baseball Classics (was: Re: APBA about starters vs relievers)
wondering if anyone in this group plays a boardgame called baseball classics?
if so e-mail me at david.jerome(at)us.ngrid.com
i would like to talk about the game.
thanks,
david

--- "Lionheart" wrote:
> If you have only 20 players per team, then I would suggest you follow the *. If you have 25 or more
> then go to this web site: http://www.baseball-reference.com/
> This site has all the teams and all the stats. It also has Games/Game Started....
>
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Message #5267 Tue May 5, 2009 4:49 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Baseballgames update, 5-04-09
Hiya fellers!
We don't have an awful lot to report, but nonetheless it's time again for our regularly-scheduled, almost obligatory,
and widely-ignored website/forum update. April was a strangely slow, quiet month in the Forum until the final week
or so -- but not quite as strangely slow and quiet as our hometown International League Bisons, who won all but
seventeen of their first nineteen games to boast the worst record in the entirety of professional baseball. And
here we'd gotten to thinking there was no new humiliation yet to be experienced as Buffalo sports fans...

Your front-office crew has been kept busy with plenty of real-life spring clean-up/fix-up to do this year, so
there are no changes of note in the site, although we're expecting to bring you a few new things as the month
bounces along. For now, McGill & Delany's 1886-87 *Our National Ball Game* remains our featured front-page
objet d'art.

One thing that's new and important every month, though, is the list of members who've newly joined the group.
Say hello and extend the traditional welcome to these folks who signed on in April: khan_kh1988, baddog14z,
tommyvegas32, owen_m_love, jojorody, eva_fabian71, swimlarry, ricktuckerusa, bigdaddyross32, terryandy60,
ravetrade, belgarath031, coachbear37, johna7799, and queen.louts. Glad to have all of you on board!
If you haven't yet done so, please do familiarize yourselves with our Forum Policy before you post
[ http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/ForumPolicy.htm ]
-- then take a few minutes to peruse the searchable Message archives, Files, Links, and Photo albums, and
of course our home site and the features there [ http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/ ].
Stick around, say hi, let us know how you found us (seriously!), and don't hesitate to chime in with
whatever questions, comments, or news that you might have!

We'll add here, yet again, our routine but always relevant advisory, to both newcomers and veteran members
of the group -- please do make sure your Yahoo membership has you registered/subscribed with a currently active
e-mail address. We do occasionally check for and eliminate memberships with an inert or disconnected e-mail
address -- and for some reason, that's the status of a number of folks who've joined in just the last few months.
If you're signed in that way, we have to assume you're no longer really on board, and, regrettably, your membership
will be deleted. So please do keep your status active, fellers -- just click on that "Edit Membership" link above
the Forum title if you're no longer using the e-mail address you registered when you joined, or if you need to
update anything else about your membership. Our thanks again to those guys who've heeded that simple advisory
and have recently adjusted their memberships.

That new pictorial essay we've been promising you for several months now is almost ready -- delayed first,
as we told you, by the inaccessibility of some necessary information, and then most recently, and ironically,
by a sudden glut of information. And, after about two years of broken promises, Win claims to have some
auction reports almost ready to go. So there's a couple of things to look forward to in here in May.

Lastly, we'll again remind you guys of our standing invitation to ya for any sort of Show 'n Tell presentation
you'd like to make -- so if you've recently acquired some interesting vintage tabletop baseball game you'd like to
show off and talk about, or if you'd care to parade a few unusual favorites from your games collection, then please,
by all means, be our guest -- you can post pics in the "Wha'd Ya Get?" album in our Photos section. We're always
hopeful, too, that someone can help us polish off the remaining enigmas in the "Mystery Games" folder of our
Photos section, -- if you care to look in over there, know that #s 3, 4, 6, 8, and 9 have been solved, but we're
still looking for additional info on #s 1 and 2, and #s 5 and 7 still elude identification. Help out, if you can.

Let's keep up the chatter, boys!
B, K, & W
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Message #5268 Thu May 7, 2009 2:45 pm
"Rick Teverbaugh" <rickert46015(at)yahoo.com>
looking for historic starters
I'm looking to replay a season with one team. But I need to know the starting pitchers for each team game by game
in a list. I know baseball-reference.com and retrosheet.com doesn't have it. I can call up box scores one by one,
but I was trying to find it in list form so I could print it out. Any ideas?
Rick T.
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Message #5269 Thu May 7, 2009 5:57 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Heads-up for swimlarry (was: Re: National Pastime, Plachta 1947...)
Larry, hey, we just wanted to make sure that you received the message we sent you off-list last week.
Good luck!
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> ... Hang in there, now, as we try to track down a sample of the game.... If *National Pastime* turns up
> anywhere at all, you're sure to read about it here first.
>
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Message #5270 Thu May 7, 2009 6:03 pm
"JOSEPH MIGLIORE" <apbamig(at)yahoo.com>
Re: looking for historic starters
Hi Rick,
Glenn Guzzo can help u, he has a replay guide that lists all the transactions day to day, and the starting pitchers
for each game in order, depending on what year u need, he goes far back with these guides, he did not do years
2000 & 2001, his cost are approx $16 per year, well worth it. his email is glennguzzo(at)aol.com
.......joe

--- "Rick Teverbaugh" wrote:
> I'm looking to replay a season with one team. But I need to know the starting pitchers for each team
> game by game in a list. I know baseball-reference. com and retrosheet.com doesn't have it. I can call up
> box scores one by one, but I was trying to find it in list form so I could print it out. Any ideas?
>
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Message #5271 Thu May 7, 2009 6:37 pm
"Dayton Payne" <dcpayne125(at)yahoo.com>
Re: looking for historic starters
The Retrosheet I go to has the starters for single teams in a year with the opposing starter. See example below.

[ed. note -- we're pretty sure the nicely arranged tables included in the original message are going to be
badly condensed by Yahoo Forum software -- it ignores tab settings and sees long strings of empty spaces
only as a single space -- but we'll post this anyway and hope it can still be read.
-- B, K, & W ]

The 1948 Cleveland Indians Regular Season Game Log
Team Page
- Date # -- Opponent - Result ___ Record Starter Opposing Starter Winner ____ Attendance Time
4-20-1948 - Vs STL A - W 4- 0 _____ 1-0 - Feller --- Sanford ---- Feller ______ 73163 -- 2:04
4-23-1948 - At DET A - W 8- 2 _____ 2-0 - Lemon ---- Hutchinson - Lemon _______ 45233 -- 2:10
4-24-1948 - At DET A - W 4- 1 _____ 3-0 - Feller --- Houtteman -- Feller ______ 41655 -- 2:00
4-25-1948 - At DET A - W 7- 4 _____ 4-0 - Gettel --- Newhouser -- Muncrief ____ 48880 -- 2:32
4-26-1948 - At CHI A - W 12-11 (14) 5-0 - Black ---- Judson ----- Christopher _ 5921 --- 4:20
4-29-1948 - At STL A - W 5- 2 _____ 6-0 - Lemon ---- Fannin ----- Lemon _______ 3420 --- 2:06
5- 1-1948 - Vs DET A - L 3 -10 ____ 6-1 - Feller --- Trout ------ Trout _______ 52249 -- 2:44
5- 2-1948 - Vs DET A - L 2- 4 _____ 6-2 - Lemon ---- Hutchinson - Hutchinson __ 57450 -- 1:45
5- 4-1948 - At PHI A - L 6- 8 (10)_ 6-3 - Muncrief - Marchildon - Brissie _____ 5532 --- 3:24
5- 6-1948 - At PHI A - L 5- 8 _____ 6-4 - Feller --- Fowler ----- Fowler ______ 11611 -- 2:19
5- 7-1948 - At WAS A - W 8- 0 _____ 7-4 - Lemon ---- Haefner ---- Lemon _______ 11120 -- 2:05
5- 8-1948 - At WAS A - W 6- 1 _____ 8-4 - Bearden -- Hudson ----- Bearden _____ 11902 -- 1:57
5- 9-1948 1 At BOS A - W 4- 1 (10)_ 9-4 - Feller --- Dobson ----- Feller ______ 11902 -- 2:43
5- 9-1948 2 At BOS A - W 9- 5 ____ 10-4 - Black ---- Kinder ----- Klieman _____ 34298 -- 2:28
5-10-1948 - At BOS A - W 12-7 ____ 11-4 - Gettel --- Ferriss ---- Klieman _____ 11101 -- 2:42
5-11-1948 - At NYY A - L 1- 4 ____ 11-5 - Lemon ---- Reynolds --- Reynolds ____ 29096 -- 2:12
5-15-1948 - Vs CHI A - W 7- 1 ____ 12-5 - Feller --- Haynes ----- Feller ______ 15243 -- 2:17
5-16-1948 1 Vs CHI A - L 4- 6 (10) 12-6 - Lemon ---- Wight ------ Judson ______ ----- -- 2:33
5-16-1948 2 Vs CHI A - W 9- 2 ____ 13-6 - Kennedy -- Grove ------ Kennedy _____ 47695 -- 2:30


--- "Rick Teverbaugh" wrote:
> I'm looking to replay a season with one team. But I need to know the starting pitchers for each team
> game by game in a list... so I could print it out. Any ideas?
>
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Message #5272 Thu May 7, 2009 8:29 pm
"Lionheart®" <za7002az(at)yahoo.com>
Re: looking for historic starters
APBA has that info for many seasons. What year and team are you looking for?
Lionheart®

--- "Rick Teverbaugh" wrote:
> I'm looking to replay a season with one team. But I need to know the starting pitchers for each team
> game by game in a list.... so I could print it out. Any ideas?
>
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Message #5273 Thu May 7, 2009 9:46 pm
"Rick Teverbaugh" <rickert46015(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: looking for historic starters
But I think that only is true for years when the box scores aren't available. I think if you look at a season
with box scores that list only has winning and losing pitcher. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Rick T.

--- "Dayton Payne" wrote:
> The Retrosheet I go to has the starters for single teams in a year with the opposing starter. See example below....
>
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Message #5274 Fri May 8, 2009 3:48 am
"Dayton Payne" <dcpayne125(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: looking for historic starters
It must have been the word "historic" that made me think you wanted to go back further. The other source I use
came from Mark Miller's Goodies site. It provides starting lineups including starting pitching for each game.
I tried this link to the site and it didn't connect today but it's been working for me.
http://sanpurdue.freesitespace.net/Goodies.htm

If the link doesn't work, let me know what season and team you're looking for and I can probably extract a file
if you want just one team and season.

--- "Rick Teverbaugh" wrote:
> But I think that only is true for years when the box scores aren't available. I think if you look at a season
> with box scores that list only has winning and losing pitcher. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>
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Message #5275 Fri May 8, 2009 7:39 am
"yankfans_1961" <yankfans_1961(at)yahoo.com>
Re: looking for historic starters
I believe you are correct.

--- "Rick Teverbaugh" wrote:
> But I think that only is true for years when the box scores aren't available. I think if you look at a season
> with box scores that list only has winning and losing pitcher. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>
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Message #5276 Sun May 10, 2009 9:05 am
"steves528100" <steves528100(at)yahoo.com>
Zimmer Baseball Game
Butch...Just wanted you to see our website at the Bingham-Waggoner and the addition of the Zimmer's
Baseball Game
ad. Again let me invite any avid baseball game fans to visit us this summer for a personal tour
of the estate and a few minutes spent with the most sought-after baseball board game in the world!!
Butch, if you personally visit us I'll pop for your lunch right across from the courthouse where Harry Truman
worked before he became President.

http://www.bwestate.org
Steve Schreiber
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Message #5277 Sun May 10, 2009 2:19 pm
"Rick Teverbaugh" <rickert46015(at)yahoo.com>
questions before posting review
I am going to be posting a review for a new baseball game, MVP Baseball, soon but I have a couple of questions
first. Before the questions let me say this isn't my game and I have no financial stake in how it sells.

Now my questions. What can I post in terms of links for anyone to find out more about the game
or a place to purchase it?

Thanks. I don't want to break any rules or make anyone mad.
Rick T.
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Message #5278 Sun May 10, 2009 3:29 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: questions before posting review
Hi Rick, hey, you've been here almost forever, so you're pretty much at liberty to post whatever you want, limited
only only by the bounds of propriety and human decency! Since you're not personally marketing the game but
writing only a "consumer advisory," include as many pertinent links as you like (although if the game has its own
website, one link should probably cover that). There shouldn't be anything for anyone to get exercised over,
unless you're penning a thumbs-down pan, or ripping some other game in comparison.
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Rick Teverbaugh" wrote:
<< I am going to be posting a review for a new baseball game, MVP Baseball, soon but I have a couple of questions
first.... What can I post in terms of links for anyone to find out more about the game or a place to purchase it?
Thanks. I don't want to break any rules or make anyone mad.
>>
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Message #5279 Sun May 10, 2009 3:47 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Zimmer Baseball Game
Hiya Steve, good to hear from ya again! Thanks again, too, for the invite, although it's a rare day around here
when any of the front-office guys leaves his house except to visit the other front-office guys...

Smart move adding a Zimmer link to the B-W website. Might we attempt again to be helpful, and hopefully
not merely annoying, by noting that the YouTube video is probably hard to access for the large number of Luddites
(like some of us here in the front office) still on dial-up, and that a thumbnail image of the game, and/or a short
subtitle/blurb to the effect of "astounding find in the sports memorabilia hobby" or suchlike, might further entice
visitors to the B-W website's front page to check out the video...

Best of luck with all that, and please do keep us posted on any developments or even visitor comments!
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "steves528100" wrote:
<< ...Just wanted you to see our website at the Bingham-Waggoner and the addition of the Zimmer's Baseball Game
ad. Again let me invite any avid baseball game fans to visit us this summer for a personal tour of the estate and
a few minutes spent with the most sought-after baseball board game in the world!! Butch, if you personally visit us
I'll pop for your lunch right across from the courthouse where Harry Truman worked before he became President.
http://www.bwestate.org
>>
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Message #5280 Sun May 10, 2009 4:03 pm
"jacques chabot" <chabot65(at)hotmail.com> chabot652002
Re: re: questions before posting review
Hi Rick, Hi Butch,
I am looking forward to read about this game. It's always nice to learn about new games and how it is played etc...
Jacques

--- "Rick Teverbaugh" wrote:
> I am going to be posting a review for a new baseball game, MVP Baseball, soon....
>
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Message #5281 Sun May 10, 2009 12:06 pm
meeker1996 <emeek19(at)aol.com>
Re: re: questions before posting review
I am going to chime in on MVP Baseball. Rick T and I are both very excited about MVP Baseball and want others
to jump on the bandwagon. This is a very good, quick playing game where you get performances by one or two guys
and two pitchers BEFORE getting the results of the game. Most other games you get the score then the stats.
This is what sets MVP apart from some of the other quick play games (except Quick Play Horse Racing by
Pat Premo, a gem in itself). Once familiar with the rules and the execution of the dice rolls, you can play a game
in about 5 minutes, a scheduled day of games (I am doing a 1908 NL replay so 4 games max per scheduled date)
should take no more than 30 minutes. I have also done some number crunching so I can track team pitching ERA.
It is fun and exciting and when a team's MVP does well most of the time the team wins unless his support swung air.
So far in my 08 NL replay, which has every team at the 9 game mark, the top 3 teams are the Giants, Cubs and
Pirates, which finished 1-2-3 that particular season. So far, its pretty realistic and the run production, when
I calculate it into ERA, has been spot on.

The game cost $10 bucks and you get the 2008 season. Extra seasons are just $3 and if you want a decade,
it's $20 and if you want EVERY SEASON rated (1907 to 2007) it is $100.00.
I am sure that Rick will post the link so people can purchase it.

It's not batter-batter and inning by inning, which might not appeal to some, but for those of us with busy schedules,
this is the game to purchase. Plus it is a lot of fun.
Edward R. Meek
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Message #5282 Sun May 10, 2009 6:32 pm
"Rick Teverbaugh" <rickert46015(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: questions before posting review
Thanks Butch. I'll only be talking about MVP Baseball and believe me there won't be anything scathing.
It has almost no flaws for what it does. It is already one of my top five games of all time in any sports genre.
Rick T.

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hi Rick, hey, you've been here almost forever, so you're pretty much at liberty to post whatever you want,
> limited only only by the bounds of propriety and human decency! ... There shouldn't be anything for anyone
> to get exercised over, unless you're penning a thumbs-down pan, or ripping some other game in comparison.
>
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Message #5283 Sun May 10, 2009 10:31 pm
"dcarey3153(at)sbcglobal.net" <dcarey3153(at)sbcglobal.net>
Akins Real Baseball
Just 'won' this game on eBay....were there rules, a box, etc., that accompanied the metal game board?
Any other information on this one?
THANKS!
Mike
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Message #5284 Sun May 10, 2009 10:58 pm
"Rick Teverbaugh" <rickert46015(at)yahoo.com>
MVP Baseball review
I know this will sound like a very strong statement, especially for someone who has been playing tabletop
baseball games since 1966, but MVP Baseball is one of the best sports games I've ever played in any genre.
Now certainly that statement needs to be taken within the context of what the game claims to do and
how well it does that.

MVP Baseball is a quick play that doesn't simulate batter by batter or even inning by inning of the sport.
But it does far more than just produce a final score also. MVP not only allows the gamer to determine the final score
of a game based on the offense of one team and the pitching of the other, but it also allows up to two hitters for
each team to be tracked to find out how they performed in that contest. The stats tracked for those hitters are
at-bats, home runs, hits and RBIs.

It is possible through MVP to replay an entire season of games in a reasonable amount of time. Once the
game mechanics and team charts have been mastered, a game will take less than five minutes to play.
Each game different players can be tracked or the same two players could be taken through an entire season
to provide a game-by-game look at those hitters.

Here is a look at the mechanics of the game. First select the two teams to play the game and the starting pitchers.
There are no reolief pitchers in the game but each starting pitcher is rated for his own stats plus that of the bullpen
when he needed relief. Starting with the visiting team, each of their selected MVPs are rolled to determine stats
for three of those four categories I mentioned above. Only one roll of the dice is needed for ABs, HRs and Hs.
Each roll is modified based on the opposing team's starting pitcher. Each hitter is rated for his average number
of ABs. The more times he batted in a game the greater the chances of hitting a home run or just getting any hits.
Each hitter is rated for getting hits and hitting homers, again modified by the pitcher rating.

At first glance it might appear that the better the hitters you pick as the ones to be tracked, the better
that team's chances of scoring runs and winning. That's not really the case due to an ingenious game mechanic.
The more dice a team gets to roll in the scoring phases of the game, the greater the chance to score.
But the better the players are that are picked to be tracked, the fewer dice the team will be able to roll
in the scoring phase. For instance, an Albert Pujohls might have a great chance of getting hits and homers,
which could add to the scoring roll. But if he doesn't contribute, then his team will roll fewer dice in the
scoring phase. There's also no better chance of winning for a team that tracks 2 MVPs instead of one.

The game uses nothing but six-sided dice but it sometimes uses a mess of them. I believe the highest number
of dice I've had in a scoring roll after about 30 games of playing is 17. It is also a good idea to have the dice
in three colors. I use the 12mm size dice that are available fairly cheaply in blocks. The reason you need
three colors is this; you need one color for just the basic team dice you roll in the scoring phase, but you also
need to keep separate the dice that either tracked hitter contributed because that's the way you determine
if those hitters contributed any RBIs. With the 12mm size it is pretty easy to hold and roll up to about 20 dice.

If any die comes up with a 3 or 6, that counts as a run. But the dice that come up with those numbers
continue to be rolled and counted for runs as long as either a 3 or a 6 comes up. That makes it possible
for a really high score, although it is still unlikely.

I'm doing a 1953 Brooklyn Dodger replay and through 17 games my highest score for the two teams combined
was 10-8. My highest score for one team was 12. I've also had four shutouts. My lowest combined score
was a 2-0 Dodger win when Johnny Podres outdueled Robin Roberts in Philly. I'm tracking Duke Snider and
Roy Campanella for the season. Through 17 games Snider is hitting .247 mostly due to being in a 1-for-17 slump.
Through eight games he was hitting .340. Snider has 3 home runs and 11 RBIs. Campy is hitting .333 with
5 home runs and 9 RBIs. So far the Dodgers haven't but shut out but the Braves Johnny Antonelli did give them
just one run in an 8-1 victory. In one Brooklyn 8-6 loss to the Phillies, Willie "Puddinhead" Jones had three hits
including a homer and drove in two runs against Russ Meyer. I also have the 1963 season and have played
a handful of games. Sandy Koufax blanked the Cubs in a 10-0, but Dick Ellsworth shut out the Dogers and
Don Drysdale 3-0 as Ron Santo collected two hits, including a homer and drove in two runs.

In the game not anywhere every hitter is rated and available as an MVP. The 2008 season that comes with
the game has between 4 and 9 hitters per team. The World Champion Phillies have Ryan Howard, Chase Utley,
Shane Victorino, Jimmy Rollins, Pat Burrell, Pedro Feliz and Jayson Werth. Every pitcher is rated who started
two or more games.

The game isn't expensive either. Every Major League season from 1907 to 2008 is available. You can purchase
this game for just $10. Included are the charts, rules, and 2008 season set. Season sets from 1907-2007 are
also available for $3 each. You can order an entire decade (00-09) for $20 (1907-09 are included in the
1910-1919 decade) or all 102 seasons for $100.

I apologize if this review is too long but I wanted to answer as many questions and capture as much feel
for this game as I could. You can order the game here: http://mysite.verizon.net/hotstovegames/index.html

Or you can go into the game's Delphi Forum and find out more here:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/OTGSupport/messages

Of course you need to be a member of Delphi to do that but it's a free sign-up. Feel free to post questions here
and I will try to answer them or find the answers. The game was created by Matt Crawford. It is being published
by Brien Martin and Hot Stove Games. Thank you for your time and attention.
Rick T.
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Message #5285 Mon May 11, 2009 5:28 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Heads-up for Jacques (was: Re: questions before posting review)
Hey Jacques, always great to hear from ya. We know you've got an awful lot on your plate,
but you did get the note Butch sent you off-list a couple-three weeks ago, no?
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "jacques chabot" wrote:
<< Hi Rick, Hi Butch,
I am looking forward to read about this game. It's always nice to learn about new games and how it is played etc...
>>
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Message #5286 Mon May 11, 2009 5:35 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: MVP Baseball review
Hi Rick, thanks for that very detailed and articulate review! Not too long at all -- a game review should
"cover all the bases." It still doesn't sound at all like our cup of tea here in the front office, but that's just us --
we're sure your rave will generate plenty of sales and plenty of new fans for *MVP Baseball.* Thanks again!
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Rick Teverbaugh" wrote:
<< I know this will sound like a very strong statement, especially for someone who has been playing tabletop
baseball games since 1966, but MVP Baseball is one of the best sports games I've ever played in any genre.
...
I apologize if this review is too long but I wanted to answer as many questions and capture as much feel
for this game as I could.... Thank you for your time and attention.
>>
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Message #5287 Mon May 11, 2009 5:56 pm
"Rick Teverbaugh" <rickert46015(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: MVP Baseball review
Thanks Butch. I've always had trouble making strategic baseball decisions for both teams in a tabletop game.
It's the thing that has kept me from spending more time playing baseball, my favorite sport, in board game versions.
But this is a game that can keep me into the sport without having to make those decisions and without having to
spend 20-35 minutes on each game. So for me and hopefully for some other baseball fans, it will fill a void.
Rick T.

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hi Rick, thanks for that very detailed and articulate review! Not too long at all -- a game review should
> "cover all the bases"....
>
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Message #5288 Mon May 11, 2009 6:03 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Akins Real Baseball
Hello Mike, welcome to the group and thanks for your question! That's quite an amazing acquisition.
You sure had to pay a pretty penny for that one, but since it's only the third example we've seen in about
fifteen years and the first in almost five, and mainly, as long as you love it, it's worth it.

We're pretty sure there was never a box for the game, except for the possibility of some sort of shipping box
that carried the game from the manufacturer to the retailer. We've never seen such a thing for *Akins,* though.
The rules of play seem pretty intuitive, so we're not sure off-hand that a separate instruction sheet was ever
produced, either, although we recall some suggestion -- we'll have to do some checking -- that a paper sheet
of rules was originally affixed to the back, or underside, of the metal game "cabinet." We note from the eBay
auction that the paper scroll inside is, typically, quite fragile now, but that the game is in working condition.
That is generally a reparable thing, though, whether you undertake the task yourself or engage the often
very expensive services of a professional paper conservator.

We actually have one of these at our "branch office" downstate, and did some exploratory surgery on it,
many years ago, in an attempt to get the paper scroll working again. However, Hall of Fame Senior Curator
Tom Shieber, a member of this forum, was actually the guy responsible for some remarkable research last year
on the game's origins. It was designed by Stephen A Akins and produced, or at least distributed, by Akins
Manufacturing Co of Kansas City. Some or all of the manufacture, however, most likely the interior scroll
mechanism, may have been done by the Chas W Shonk Co of Chicago. Thanks again, Tom! The guy is a marvel.

Congrats again on that pick-up, Mike. Anything else we can tell ya? Let us know if you try any game-play with it
and what kind of results you get!
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "dcarey3153" wrote:
<< Just 'won' this game on eBay....were there rules, a box, etc., that accompanied the metal game board?
Any other information on this one? THANKS!
>>
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Message #5289 Mon May 11, 2009 6:24 pm
"jacques chabot" <chabot65(at)hotmail.com> chabot652002
Re: Heads-up for Jacques (was: Re: questions before posting review)
Hi Butch,
Already three weeks??? Incredible. I am so late with all my messages. I will answer sooner or most probably later!
Thanks anyway.

I will also try to be more present on this forum and on the ASB one because i am still enjoying baseball games
as much as i did since the age of 8: to learn about them and to play them.

I still read all the posts.

2010 should be good for me but yet there is some way to go...
Jacques

--- "Butch7999"
> Hey Jacques, always great to hear from ya. We know you've got an awful lot on your plate,
> but you did get the note Butch sent you off-list a couple-three weeks ago, no?
>
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Message #5290 Tue May 12, 2009 1:07 am
"Diane Carey" <dcarey3153(at)sbcglobal.net>
Re: re: Akins Real Baseball
Hi Butch and Co.,
Thanks for the quick response! Yeah, it seemed fairly expensive (I recently bought the Cooper book and
at least it seemed 'in the ballpark' with the guide). The thing that struck me was that the players -
and the field, too (with the pitcher's box) seemed to be from the 1880s, despite the much later production date.
A few years ago I started a vintage base ball league (teams use the rules of the 1886 National League) --
it's up to five teams now, but the first two wore uniforms very similar (at least the color scheme is the same,
as well as the shirt/hat designs)...so that gave the game a little more meaning, too.

I had no idea about the incredible home games out there until I ran into another Northern Californian, John Egan
of Folsom --and bought a board game from him. Picked up the Hustler tin litho game (and got a great Hustler
football game just last week)....but my most tolerant wife --who's been great about our family room-turned-
baseball museum -indicates that the Akins may be my last huzzah (hurrah).
Mike

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hello Mike, welcome to the group and thanks for your question! That's quite an amazing acquisition. You sure
> had to pay a pretty penny for that one, but since it's only the third example we've seen in about fifteen years
> and the first in almost five, and mainly, as long as you love it, it's worth it....
> ... Congrats again on that pick-up, Mike. Anything else we can tell ya? Let us know if you try any game-play
> with it and what kind of results you get!
>
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Message #5291 Fri May 15, 2009 1:45 am
"mzjr66" <mzjr66(at)yahoo.com>
time travel base ball
Does anybody know where I can get any downloads for time travel baseball game player cards? Table top sports
no longer offer any. Are there any player cards that I can get that were made from excell programs that were
not part of the original game? Any suggestions?
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Message #5292 Fri May 15, 2009 2:48 pm
"Jerome, David R." <David.Jerome(at)us.ngrid.com>
Re: time travel base ball
sorry i don't, but does anyone have classic baseball 60's et matrix version to trade?

--- "mzjr66" wrote:
> Does anybody know where I can get any downloads for time travel baseball game player cards? ....
>
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Message #5293 Fri May 15, 2009 12:23 pm
meeker1996 <emeek19(at)aol.com>
Re: time travel base ball
Time Travel Baseball is going to be re-released by Downey Games this summer, therefore Jeff
pulled all the downloads (business move) for that game. I can understand the decision because
if the free downloads are still there, why purchase the game from Jeff? He did the same thing for
Rick's Fast Football months before he released Momentum Football.
Ed
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Message #5294 Sat May 16, 2009 12:42 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Akins Real Baseball
Hi again Mike, thanks for the further information, and pardon our delay in replying. Tough to put a "market value"
on any item that turns up so very infrequently -- all we can tell ya is that in the other two sales of Akins that
we know of, one went for a little more than you paid, and the other for considerably less. Published "price guides,"
as a rule, are something to avoid, whether they're for antique games, toys, sports cards, clocks, posters,
you name it -- any collectible. We're sure Mark himself would be the first to point out that the price guide
in his book is fifteen years old, and was put together before eBay arrived to let everybody know just how much
stuff was out there, made it all so much more easily available, and allowed everyone to gauge the going rate
for this game or that. Rarities like the Akins, though, do sort of stand outside of all that, too scarce to establish
any kind of "track record" for price, and it just comes down to how badly one wants something and how much
one can afford.

Congrats on the pick-ups of the two Hustler games as well -- those are both terrific games that hold up very well
in terms of both graphic appeal and "playability."

On our initial read of your message, we thought you meant you'd started a *tabletop* baseball league based on
1886 rules, teams, and players -- but we take it, now, that you mean an actual Vintage Base Ball re-creation/
competition. Very cool! Our neck of the woods seems a natural for such a thing, but we've been unable to
stir up any interest. Just as well, maybe, for us at least -- we couldn't afford to suit up and play!
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Diane Carey" wrote:
<< ... Thanks for the quick response! Yeah, it seemed fairly expensive (I recently bought the Cooper book and
at least it seemed 'in the ballpark' with the guide)....
A few years ago I started a vintage base ball league (teams use the rules of the 1886 National League) --
it's up to five teams now, but the first two wore uniforms very similar (at least the color scheme is the same,
as well as the shirt/hat designs)...so that gave the game a little more meaning, too...
Picked up the Hustler tin litho game (and got a great Hustler football game just last week)....
>>
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Message #5295 Mon May 18, 2009 1:43 am
"cavalcadeofsports"
Auction report -- Heritage, REA, & eBay, Spring 2009
Hi gang -- my front-office comrades have been after me for quite a while to turn in auction results of
any large offerings of vintage tabletop baseball from the upscale auction houses, something I used to report on
here with some frequency. I had a couple almost set to go just before 2007 turned into a personal disaster for us,
but those 2006-07 results are just a little bit stale now, eh?, and since that time, there have been few if any
substantial groupings of vintage games offered by any of the major auction sites nor by any individual eBay vendor.
The report on the cache of games in last summer's Huggins & Scott auction is the only one I've posted
in a dog's age. But we've got something more important and interesting coming up here on the site, and
I'd rather open for the headliners than try to follow that act.

There's not much to report here at all, so I'll throw three auctions into one post.
The most recent was the Heritage auction in April, which offered only two game-related items, but both lots
earned substantial bucks. Heritage prices reported here include their deadly 19.5% buyer's premium.

The first pertinent item was a fascinating and possibly unique thing, utterly new to our experience -- a possibly
late 19th-, probably very early 20th-century mechanical batting toy/game. Some of you who frequent the
Net54 forums may have seen it under discussion there last fall, where some good photos of it remain on-line
[ http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=67297 ].
A marvelous, rare old novelty it is, and it sold for $1,135.

The second item of note from Heritage was an unboxed set of all 54 cards from *Base Ball - The National Game,*
the 1913 cardgame by National Base Ball Playing Card Co., designated "WG5" in the ACC. All the cards were
PSA graded 9 to 4, averaging 7.6. Although not terribly uncommon -- we see a complete or near-complete set
sell at least once or twice a year -- the WG5 set is rare air for all but collectors with very deep pockets.
Individual ungraded commons from the set typically go for as little as $12.-$15., but the "star" cards, particularly
the Joe Jackson, really drive up the price. This particular set finally sold for $8,365., surely boosted by the
PSA grading, which suggests, sadly, this game will be broken up and the cards sold individually. By comparison,
an ungraded set of all 54 which included the badly battered box sold for $6,670. at SCP Auctions in January.

Also in April, an unboxed, ungraded set of 54 *Base Ball - The National Game* cards that did, however, include
the four-page rules booklet earned "only" $4,406. at Robert Edward. REA is the front-office consensus favorite
among the upscale sports memorabilia auctioneers, and their own April auction included that WG5 set and
three other related lots. One of those was the aforementioned WG5 Jackson card only. Graded a sterling 88
by SGC, the solitary card sold for $1,762., including, as with the price on the complete set, the 17.5% buyer's
premium. It was presumably this exact same card that sold three years earlier at Mastro for a very similar $1,799.

REA also offered two complete but unboxed 1936 sets of *The National Game* by S & S Games, "WG8" in the ACC.
One set was graded by PSA, each of the 52 cards rating from a perfect 10 down to 4 and averaging 7.7 overall.
That one brought $1,998.
The other set was ungraded but eyeballed in similarly crisp condition, and earned $1,410.

Moving over to eBay, we belatedly spotted a series of related auctions featuring, according to the wording
in those auctions, items "from a wonderful, single-owner collection that had been displayed one block from
the Baseball Hall Of Fame on Main Street in Cooperstown, NY for over 20 years." Recent news that National
Pastime -- the sports memorabilia shop that long stood about a block from the Baseball Hall Of Fame on
Main Street in Cooperstown -- had closed its doors early this spring, led us to assume that it was some of
that establishment's inventory being auctioned. Photos within each auction showed the previous display format
of much of the offered merchandise, and indeed it very closely resembled the towering displays at National Pastime
-- more museum than store, really, considering its long history of utterly outrageous prices. However, the photos
did not match the National Pastime displays exactly, or at least as any of us here in the front office remembered
them, and the start prices for the items were actually pretty reasonable, in stark contrast to National Pastime
tradition. So the real source of the material remains uncertain. No matter. What we saw -- we came in late,
so we probably missed several auctions that had already closed -- was cool stuff, and very affordable.

As it turned out, the most expensive, and one of the oldest, items was a beautiful example of *Home Diamond,*
the 1913 cardboard-and-tin pachinko game. Each of three otherwise identical editions of the game are seen with
production credit to one of three different companies, presumably all the same outfit under three different names.
This was a Home Diamond Company edition, with one notable anomaly: the pitcher illustrated on the box lid was
wearing blue pants. We couldn't tell for sure from the auction photos -- some previous owner might have neatly
colored in the normally white pants by hand -- but it appeared to have been printed with that added color.
Final price, $262. -- maybe a shade high, especially if the colored pants were an amateur addition, but certainly
within the overall range for this game, and maybe even a bit of a bargain if the color was factory original.

From about the same era, an example of *From the Field to the Parlor,* commonly known as "Aydelott's Base Ball
Card Game," sold for $63. The box was very badly worn, but a near-complete set of 101 cards in nice shape,
the paper playing field, and several of the wooden markers were included, so that was a pretty good price for
the buyer. With the box in a little better condition, Aydelott's averages closer to $100.

Again from the 1910s, *The National-American Base Ball Game* by Parker Brothers went off at $61. The box
showed typical wear for its 90 or so years, but included were 56 cards in nice shape, which seems to be
a couple more than standard for this set. These were the generic red-backs, not the Lajoie photo-backs.
Another good catch for that buyer -- the price was typical for the game, but even the generic editions of
National-American have occasionally gone for more than three times what he paid.

Also at auction here was an item that reminded us yet again that, for all our research over the years, there are
still things out there we haven't seen before. New to us was a little teetotum game, a premium from Star Brand
Shoes. We've catalogued it as *Play Ball in "Star Brand."* The vendor called it a 1920s product, but we'd guess
something closer to 1940s. In any case, the 3"-diameter spinner looked close to pristine, and was accompanied
by its wooden center post and wax-paper envelope. It got away for a mere $26.

A 1949 *Batter Up Baseball Card Game* by Ed-U-Cards, forerunner of their ubiquitous 1957 *Baseball Card Game,*
was up for bids. Only slightly less common than the later version, the 1949 game is available every couple of
months on eBay and typically sells for $8.-$12. in sharp condition. Someone got a little carried away at the
sight of this one and overpaid to the tune of $39., only the second time we've seen one earn as much as $20.

The final item we found in this group was yet another thing entirely new to us, and easily one of the most
bizarre baseball-game items we've ever seen. This was a tin spinner game mounted upright along one side of
the rear section of a 7"-long plastic toy truck. An illustrated playing field occupied the flatbed below the spinner.
The truck-game was a product of Banner Manufacturing, probably a 1950s item, and the tin game portion
exhibited loads of rust. Final price on this very cool oddball rarity, $69.

I'm going to go back and see if I can locate any other completed auctions from this vendor's array.
If any of you fellas spotted anything we failed to catch, give us an auction number and we'll check it out.
Gotta shut down now. Time for "Whacked-Out Sports"...
Cheers
-- Win
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Message #5296 Mon May 18, 2009 12:55 pm
"philarem" <philarem(at)yahoo.com>
walter johnson game instructions
Hi:
I am new to the board. I have the Walter Johnson game from the 1930's but am missing the instuctions.
Any one out there have an idea how to secure the missing link to my game?
thanks
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Message #5297 Mon May 18, 2009 5:34 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Walter Johnson Game instructions
Hello Phil, welcome to the group and thanks for your question! Ah, the Walter Johnson game. There's
*always something* missing. Well, as you may have guessed, the rules are very simple and pretty intuitive,
but for the sake of total authenticity, we've posted a picture of 'em. Click on "Photos" in the lefthand menu
of the Forum and you'll find several albums. Click on the one titled "Viewer Mail." The last photo there
has what you need.
Hope that fills the bill!
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "philarem" wrote:
<< Hi: I am new to the board. I have the Walter Johnson game from the 1930's but am missing
the instuctions. Any one out there have an idea how to secure the missing link to my game? thanks
>>
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Message #5298 Mon May 18, 2009 8:33 pm
"philarem" <philarem(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Walter Johnson Game instructions
Thanks for the great view of the instrutions on the Walter Johnson game!!
Now the second half of the puzzle, is there anyone out there who has one for sale??
thanks,
Phil

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hello Phil, welcome to the group and thanks for your question! ... Click on "Photos" in the lefthand menu
> of the Forum... Click on... "Viewer Mail." The last photo there has what you need. Hope that fills the bill!
>
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Message #5299 Thu May 21, 2009 6:05 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Jim Prentice / Electric Game Co photo-history
Hiya fellers!
We've been threatening -- er, *promising* -- for a couple of months now to post a major new feature
at the main website, and at long last it's here. The prolonged hype may have boosted expectations
far beyond what the finished piece really merits, and the specific topic won't even interest everyone on board,
so be on guard for a letdown. But here it is:
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/BbJimPrentice.htm
-- the history, as best as we can discern it, of The Electric Game Company and Jim Prentice's
*Electric Baseball* games.

It's far from the definitive piece to be written on the subject -- there's still a lot of guesswork in it and
many unanswered (unanswerable?) questions -- so if anyone in the group has some specific, reliable information
on Prentice or the EGC and can fill in anything that we've omitted or correct anything that we've just plain
gotten wrong, please post here and let us know.

In the meantime, we hope you'll all take a look and enjoy what we've been able to assemble.
Let us know what you think of it!
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
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Message #5300 Fri May 22, 2009 8:05 am
"erfurman(at)yahoo.com"
Re: Jim Prentice / Electric Game Co photo-history
Very interesting article guys. I had often thought about doing one myself since these games are so prevalent on
EBay and nobody seemed to know much about them. Glad somebody had the initiative to actually follow through
on it. I'm curious as to what prices are realized for the very early models since the later ones rarely sell at all.
Keep up the good work!
Eric -
spookyshobbyshop.com

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hiya fellers! We've been threatening -- er, *promising* -- for a couple of months now to post a major new
> feature at the main website, and at long last... here it is:
> http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/BbJimPrentice.htm
> -- the history, as best as we can discern it, of The Electric Game Company and Jim Prentice's
> *Electric Baseball* games.... if anyone in the group has some specific, reliable information on Prentice
> or the EGC and can fill in anything that we've omitted or correct anything that we've just plain gotten wrong,
> please post here and let us know. In the meantime, we hope you'll all take a look and enjoy what we've been
> able to assemble. Let us know what you think of it!
>
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Message #5301 Fri May 22, 2009 8:55 am
"Alan" <schlomostreet(at)Gmail.com> AlanBerger101
Jim Prentice Game History
Thanks so much for creating this wonderful page!

Model 509 was the one that got me started in baseball gaming around 1952. I played it so much
the spinner eventually flew off causing me to panic in fear that my gaming was over. (I couldn't afford
a replacement back then!).
I eventually wrote to Mr. Prentice in Holyoke and he actually responded, asking me to send him the game.
I did and within a few days a big box arrived with 2 brand new games.

This was a big highlight of my youth and I am still grateful to Mr. Prentice over 50 years later.
He made a kid's feel optimistic about life's prospects and the kindness of strangers.

Thanks again for the page!
Alan
http://www.baseballreplays.com
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Message #5302 Fri May 22, 2009 1:50 pm
"meeker1996" <emeek19(at)aol.com
Re: Jim Prentice Game History
Great story....
This was back in the day when customer service was customer service.
At the young age, that act of kindness does leave lasting impressions.
Edward R. Meek
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Message #5303 Fri May 22, 2009 7:49 pm
"goldenager17" <fyoung17(at)cox.net>
Re: Jim Prentice / Electric Game Co photo-history
WONDERFUL job, Butch & crew! A joy to read & what great pictures! Enjoyed it to the MAX!
Fred Y

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hiya fellers! We've been threatening -- er, *promising* -- for a couple of months now to post a major new
> feature at the main website, and at long last... here it is:
> http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/BbJimPrentice.htm
> -- the history, as best as we can discern it, of The Electric Game Company and Jim Prentice's
> *Electric Baseball* games.... if anyone in the group has some specific, reliable information on Prentice
> or the EGC and can fill in anything that we've omitted or correct anything that we've just plain gotten wrong,
> please post here and let us know. In the meantime, we hope you'll all take a look and enjoy what we've been
> able to assemble. Let us know what you think of it!
>
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Message #5304 Sat May 23, 2009 12:50 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Jim Prentice / Electric Game Co photo-history
Fred, Alan, Eric, thanks very much for the positive feedback on our little research project!

Alan, thanks also for your story. We're glad to read of some first-hand experience with Prentice that
reveals him as considerably less sour and crusty than he came off in the few articles we were able to obtain.

Eric, the prices we've tracked for *Electric Baseball* are pretty odd -- completed on-line sales of the
oldest games, in decent condition, have ranged from yard-sale-type figures up to less than $50., tops,
averaging around $20.-$25., which is not much different from completed on-line sales of the more recent models.
The only two we've seen top $50. more than once each have been the 63-B and the 514, although both of those
more frequently go for $15.-$25. You're of course correct, though -- all the post-War models are offered far more
often than they sell, which we also find odd. Even if someone's not interested in them as a game to play or
an antique to collect, they make great display pieces for a sports den or a baseball fan's office or whatnot.

Thanks again for the kind words, guys! Much appreciated.
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "goldenager17" wrote:
<< WONDERFUL job, Butch & crew! A joy to read & what great pictures! Enjoyed it to the MAX!
>>
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Message #5305 Sat May 23, 2009 3:19 pm
"Gene Newman" <belinyoh(at)charter.net> uofa57
Re: re: Jim Prentice / Electric Game Co photo-history
Hi Butch,
I've mentioned before that JP-EB was one of two baseball games I grew up with, the other being ASB.
At the moment I'm too lazy to crawl into our little storage room under the steps, where I keep my games
when not in use, to check the model number, but I have two of the only model I had . . and love.
It's the one with the slot down the middle down which you roll the metal ball to be trapped by the "bat"
at the bottom.

A word of caution to anyone who wants to bid on that model if you intend to play it. Often the sellers will
omit the fact that one or more of the lights do not work, and when you contact them the reply is usually
"I don't have a battery to test it with". What nonsense; they take a standard D battery.

If any of the lights do not work, it can *sometimes* be overcome by taking a bit of steel wool and
working on the contact point of the light(s) in question. But not always.

As a little cultural aside, my Japanese wife would chide me for saying I "love" a game. Or anyTHING else.
The Japanese word for "love" is used only for a person. If you told someone in Japanese that you love a game,
they'd think you are a pervert.
;-)
Gene

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Fred, Alan, Eric, thanks very much for the positive feedback on our little research project! ...
> Thanks again for the kind words, guys! Much appreciated.
>
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Message #5306 Tue May 26, 2009 4:19 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Jim Prentice / Electric Game Co photo-history
Hey there Gene, you ol' pervert! ;-) We knew you'd chime in on the Prentice stuff once you got back.
How was vacation?

No need to crawl into your storage room, unless you're going to give your *Electric Baseball* a whirl --
we know it's Model 48-B. Apropos of your subsequent point, it's most often the 12mm steel ball that's missing
from that model, an item that can be easily replaced at any good hardware store. Indicator lights that have
burnt out can usually be replaced at either a hardware of electrical supply store or at a model railroading
hobby shop.

True, a new D-cell or two should run most of the Prentice games, but actually we do have to add a caveat
to that... some of those models, and certainly some electrical games, baseball and otherwise, made by other
companies before the 1960s, require an older style of D-cell -- the kind with the absolutely flat negative end,
as opposed to modern D-cells with the fluted or convoluted end. The little metal leaf, or blade, that makes
contact with the negative end of the battery often doesn't make proper contact with the modern style of
battery, and some delicate fiddling and adjusting is necessary to get the thing to operate.
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Gene Newman" wrote:
<< ... I've mentioned before that JP-EB was one of two baseball games I grew up with, the other being ASB.
At the moment I'm too lazy to crawl into our little storage room under the steps, where I keep my games
when not in use, to check the model number, but I have two of the only model I had . . and love. It's the one
with the slot down the middle down which you roll the metal ball to be trapped by the "bat" at the bottom....
... As a little cultural aside, my Japanese wife would chide me for saying I "love" a game. Or anyTHING else.
The Japanese word for "love" is used only for a person. If you told someone in Japanese that you love a game,
they'd think you are a pervert.
;-)
>>
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Message #5307 Tue May 26, 2009 7:57 pm
"Gene Newman" <belinyoh(at)charter.net> uofa57
Re: re: Jim Prentice / Electric Game Co photo-history
Hi pal,
The vacation was great. Lots of fine Japanese food (Atlanta is great for that), lots of shopping,
and lots of fun with both daughters there.

Yep, 48-B is definitely the one. What a fun game that was. I would prop up my knees and place the game board
against my legs at about a 75-80 degree angle, to make it a bit more challenging to trap that ball. Still, I can
remember games with things like 25-20 scores, and a dozen HRs.

Oh, believe me, at my age I definitely remember those other batteries. In fact, just looking at the photos
for auctions of some of those games, I could tell just from the size of the battery compartment that it took
the older battery.

I have bought perhaps seven or so of the 48-B in the last ten years, got them working and then gave them to kids
whose rough-handling fingers may not be quite ready for ASB. :-) I still have two, in case one goes kaput. For a
couple of them, the seller said the lights were burned out, but once I cleaned the contact points they worked fine.

BTW, who you calling a pervert!!? :grin:
Gene

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hey there Gene, you ol' pervert! ;-) We knew you'd chime in on the Prentice stuff once you got back.
> How was vacation? No need to crawl into your storage room... we know it's Model 48-B....
> a new D-cell or two should run most of the Prentice games, but actually we do have to add a caveat to that...
> some of those models... require an older style of D-cell -- the kind with the absolutely flat negative end,
> as opposed to modern D-cells with the fluted or convoluted end. The little metal leaf, or blade, that makes
> contact with the negative end of the battery often doesn't make proper contact with the modern style of
> battery, and some delicate fiddling and adjusting is necessary to get the thing to operate....
>

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Message #5308 Sun May 31, 2009 9:44 pm
"patriotgames(at)ymail.com" <patriotgames(at)ymail.com>
what is the name of this 70's game with baseball on a wire and a trigger bat?
About mid-seventies there was a baseball game where the bat was trigger activated and had a point at the bottom
and it sat in a cup. The ball was launched by the pitcher and it would travel on a wire towards the batter.
Once hit the ball would either hit the thin plastic playing field for an out or it would travel up and hit one of the
markers on a tall pole that displayed HR, triple, single, etc. The pitcher had control of the ball on the wire
to make it dip or go high, etc.
Does this ring a bell with anyone?
Many thanks,
Dale
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