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Message #5365
Fri Jul 3, 2009 4:19 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Baseballgames update, 7-02-09
Hiya fellers!
Hey, we've arrived at Independence Day weekend, which means, incredibly, the year is half over, and which
also means, inevitably, we're due to post another installment of the monthly website update series. Proudly
red-white-&-blue, *Wiry Dan's Electric Baseball Game* (1950, Harett-Gilmar) remains standing steadfastly
on the Forum's front page.

June was another fairly quiet month in the Forum -- thanks to those who posted, but what do we hafta do
to light a fire under the rest of you guys? -- so let's skip right to the traditional greeting and welcome for
the new members who signed on since Memorial Day. Say hello to dannysclayton, rjrboardgames, drapba,
seamhead2002, stephenfield60195, ewyss11, chud3_1967, fivestonesofgospa, hickey1028, erose964,
frankvgallucci, leroyhellmig, christymull49, spedtchr_4life, enemyofthesun70, gen1400, jsmoot710, and
jjsortiz31. We're glad to have all of you on board, and we hope you'll enjoy your time here!
If you haven't yet done so, please make sure you're familiar with our Forum Policy
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-- stick around, introduce yourselves, let us know how you found us, and don't hesitate to chime in with
any questions, comments, or news that you might have.

We'll add here, again, our frequent but always relevant advisory, to both newcomers and veteran members
of the group -- please do make sure your Yahoo membership has you registered/subscribed with a currently
active e-mail address. We do occasionally check for and eliminate memberships with an inert or disconnected
e-mail address -- and for some reason, that's the status of a number of folks who've joined in just the last
few months. If you're signed in that way, we have to assume you're no longer really on board, and, regrettably,
your membership will be deleted. So please do keep your status active, fellers -- just click on that "Edit
Membership" link above the Forum title if you're no longer using the e-mail address you registered when you
joined, or if you need to update anything else about your membership.

There's not much more to report this time around, so we'll let you all get to your holiday barbecuin' right after
we mention that we do have a few new listings in our Links Directory that you might want to visit. Us, in the
front office, we may have to light up the grill inside, since it's rained for something like 25 of the last 27 days
around here. Somehow, despite that, our hometown IL Bisons managed to get in a full slate of games,
apparently settling in as a resolutely .429 club with their second straight 12-16 month. That 2-17 mark in April
was obviously just a fluke!

Lastly, mainly for the new folks since veteran members of the group have already heard this often, we'll again
remind all of you of our standing invitation to ya for any sort of Show 'n Tell presentation you'd like to make --
if you've recently acquired some interesting vintage tabletop baseball game you'd like to show off and talk about,
or if you'd care to parade a few unusual favorites from your games collection, then please, by all means, be
our guest -- you can post pics in the "Wha'd Ya Get?" album in our Photos section. We remain hopeful, too,
that someone can help us polish off the remaining enigmas in the "Mystery Games" folder of our Photos section
-- if you care to look in over there, know that #s 3, 4, 6, 8, and 9 have been solved, but we're still looking for
additional info on #s 1 and 2, and #s 5 and 7 still elude identification. Help out, if you can.

Have a fun holiday, everybody! No lolligaggin' now -- let's see some hustle out there!
Keep up the chatter, boys!
Butch, Kerm, & Win
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Message #5366 Wed Jul 8, 2009 12:25 pm
"tshieber" <tshieber(at)baseballhalloffame.org>
Buggville Ball Busters
Hi - Does anyone know anything about a c. 1932 game called "The Buggville Ball Busters?"
I suspect it was simply a game "board" that one cut out from a magazine ("Child's Life"),
but am not positive. Here's a link to an image:
http://pro.corbis.com/Enlargement/Enlar ... 2-21545777

Thanks.
- Tom Shieber
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Message #5367 Wed Jul 8, 2009 9:56 pm
"Eric Lutzker" <ericlutzker(at)comcast.net>
Re: Buggville Ball Busters
hi tom- it looks from the layout like it might have been a tiddlewinks setup.
-eric

--- "tshieber" wrote:
> Hi - Does anyone know anything about a c. 1932 game called "The Buggville Ball Busters?" ...
> Here's a link to an image: http://pro.corbis.com/Enlargement/Enlar ... 2-21545777
> Thanks.
>
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Message #5368 Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:50 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Buggville Ball Busters
Howdy Tom, thanks for the, as always, excellent question in the guise of intriguing new information!
And Eric, thanks as well for your insightful input.

This one is entirely new on all of us here in the front office. It certainly does invite any number of
snarky comments, though. Win is quite sure the playing field represents the home park of our
28-53 IL Bisons, who have in fact, he asserts, employed caterpillars and lawn grubs as outfielders
and gnats and blackflies as hitters. All three of us are quite sure, as well, that each of us at some point
in the past did in fact date the *captain* of the Buggville Ball Busters.

All seriouslessness aside, however, this one is, as we said, new on us, which is both surprising and
disappointing considering that *Child Life* was such a well known and long running periodical. That
should make the game fairly easy to research, however, as many libraries should have back issues
available. We're quite ashamed to have to admit we were also wholly unfamiliar with McKee, although
a moment's research on the interweb reveals he was quite a prominent illustrator in his day and
somebody whose name and work we should have recognized.

Our initial thoughts here were that the game was perhaps a dart game, meant to be cut out of the
magazine and hung on a wall, and then that it was an action game of the "finger-flick" variety, probably
using a button as the ball. Eric's suggestion may be the best, however -- an idea that should have
occurred to us, having just a few weeks ago added Whitman's 1935 *Big League Baseball Game -
played with Tiddledy Winks
* to our collection. Good thought, Eric.

Tom, if you can't track down what we assume must be an accompanying page of instructions for the game
from that issue, let us know and we'll do some digging ourselves. Or if you do come up with it, be sure
to let us know!
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Eric Lutzker" wrote:
<< hi tom- it looks from the layout like it might have been a tiddlewinks setup.
>
> --- "tshieber" wrote:
> Hi - Does anyone know anything about a c. 1932 game called "The Buggville Ball Busters?"
> I suspect it was simply a game "board" that one cut out from a magazine ("Child's Life"),
> but am not positive. Here's a link to an image:
> http://pro.corbis.com/Enlargement/Enlar ... 2-21545777
> Thanks.
>>
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Message #5369 Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:31 pm
"chrisharrison355" <chrisharrison355(at)yahoo.com>
Update on my leagues
Well, since no one else I know cares about my ficticious leagues,
I'll tell you guys what has been going on in my replays.

I just finished my 16th 40 game-per-team season 2 days ago, the 1987 season. I took the Giants, Royals,
Cards, Mariners, Tigers, and Blue Jays and created a 6 team league using the SBS computer game.

With 4 games left, the Royals, Cards, Tigers, and Jays were all in it. Kansas City almost pulled it out at the end
by winning their last six, but the Cardinals got a pinch hit game winner from John Morris(one game after his
game-winning pinch homer the day before) to clinch it on the last day.

Strong individual perfomances were: Jack Morris with 8 wins, Mark Langston with 79 K's, George Bell with
13 HR, Matt Nokes with 38 RBI, and Vince Coleman with 36 SB. The Cardinals also broke my team SB record
for a season withh 83 steals.

Since I play 1/4 of a season, I can easily just multiply X4 any stats produced to get a good idea of
what it would project out to. (Morris 32 wins, etc).

As for what's next, I am now going to start my FIRST EVER replay involving a season that I did not follow
as a fan, since I was only 1 year old: the 1969 season. I am using the APBA board game for this replay.
As for a new computer replay, I am going to give the Dynasty league Pc game for the 2005 season a try
as well.

I like to have one PC game going with one board game at the same time, usually with vastly different eras
to avoid getting bored with one or the other.

What are you guys currently playing?
chris harrison
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Message #5370 Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:16 pm
"mccormickmolly(at)ymail.com" <mthree(at)att.net>
Trojan Big League bagatelle
I have a faded wooden bagatelle baseball game that belonged to my father (born 1917) and am trying to find out
information about it as it may be used in a museum exhibit. It is about 20" tall, rounded at the top, 12" across
the bottom with a 1" deep edge all around. At the right bottom there is a metal strip that was used to make the
ball go up the 8" track onto the playing surface. The nails surrounding the various "bases" are about 1/2" tall.
There are very faded painted baseball players on the board. If anyone could help me out with a date for this
or any information as to where it was made I would really appreciate it. Thanks!
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Message #5371 Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:20 am
"Tom Stillman" <giantsfan_94121(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Update on my leagues
Thanks for the updates. Hopefully it will inspire others as well as myself to put some leagues together.
I have lots of ideas but just have to implement them.

You're not the host of "The Bachelorette" are you?
8-)
Tom Stillman

--- "chrisharrison355" wrote:
> Well, since no one else I know cares about my ficticious leagues,
> I'll tell you guys what has been going on in my replays.
> I just finished my 16th 40 game-per-team season 2 days ago, the 1987 season. I... created a 6 team league
> using the SBS computer game. With 4 games left, the Royals, Cards, Tigers, and Jays were all in it....
> Strong individual perfomances were: ...
> Since I play 1/4 of a season, I can easily just multiply X4 any stats produced to get a good idea of what it
> would project out to. (Morris 32 wins, etc).
> As for what's next, I am now going to start my FIRST EVER replay involving a season that I did not follow
> as a fan, since I was only 1 year old: the 1969 season. I am using the APBA board game for this replay.
> As for a new computer replay, I am going to give the Dynasty league Pc game for the 2005 season a try....
> I like to have one PC game going with one board game at the same time, usually with vastly different eras
> to avoid getting bored with one or the other.
> What are you guys currently playing?
>
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Message #5372 Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:30 am
"jacques chabot" <chabot65(at)hotmail.com> chabot652002
Re: Update on my leagues
Hi Chris,
And what teams are you using for your 1969 APBA replay?<
Jacques

--- "chrisharrison355" wrote:
> Well, since no one else I know cares about my ficticious leagues,
> I'll tell you guys what has been going on in my replays.
> I just finished my 16th 40 game-per-team season 2 days ago, the 1987 season. I took the Giants, Royals,
> Cards, Mariners, Tigers, and Blue Jays and created a 6 team league using the SBS computer game....
> As for what's next, I am now going to start my FIRST EVER replay involving a season that I did not follow
> as a fan, since I was only 1 year old: the 1969 season. I am using the APBA board game for this replay....
> What are you guys currently playing?
>
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Message #5373 Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:36 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Update on my leagues
Hi there Chris, thanks very much for that report! A timely conversation-starter it is, too, since the Forum's been
as quiet as a tomb for much of the past few weeks. Nice exciting finish you had there in your pennant race --
for some reason, seventeen of the eighteen races we've had in our home-brew dice-game league (two divisions,
nine seasons) have been runaways.
How long does it take you to complete a season? We suppose it varies widely depending on which game you're
using, and we're inferring you've used a variety of games for your season replays...
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "chrisharrison355" wrote:
<< Well, since no one else I know cares about my ficticious leagues,
I'll tell you guys what has been going on in my replays.
I just finished my 16th 40 game-per-team season 2 days ago, the 1987 season. I... created a 6 team league
using the SBS computer game. With 4 games left, the Royals, Cards, Tigers, and Jays were all in it....
As for what's next, I am now going to start my FIRST EVER replay involving a season that I did not follow
as a fan, since I was only 1 year old: the 1969 season. I am using the APBA board game for this replay....
What are you guys currently playing?
>>
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Message #5374 Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:01 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Trojan Big League bagatelle
Hello Molly, welcome to the group and thanks for your question! It's been quite a while since anyone's
stumped us on a vintage game, so congratulations on that. That's the good news, such as it is. The bad news,
at least at the moment, is that we don't think we've ever encountered exactly what it is you have there.
Maybe one or more of the other folks on board here are familiar with it, and if so we're sure they'll be along
momentarily with some insights. We take it, from your subject line, that "Trojan" is printed somewhere on
the board as either the game's title or as the manufacturer. The only thing we have at all in our database
relating to "Trojan" is *America's Football Game,* a circa 1939-40 board game by Trojan Games, and
at a guess we'd say that's wholly unrelated to your bagatelle.

From the information you've provided so far, "mid-1920s" would be our first stab at putting a date on your
game, based on the years of your dad's boyhood (assuming he got it when he was a boy) and the physical
design of the game -- wooden bagatelles using nails as baffles almost exclusively pre-date 1930 or so.
Your game sounds quite similar to *Marble & Baseball Game* (circa 1926, Arcade Manufacturing) and
the several varieties of circa-1930 baseball bagatelles by Sharp-Boyd (*Bagatelle Baseball,,* *Sharp's
Diamond Shooter
,* &c'). We would really like to see a photo or three of your game, which you could send
to webmaster Butch at [ Butch7999 @ aol.com ] (just close up the spaces around the "@" of course).
A picture's worth, well, several hundred words anyway. That might help us give you a more informed
answer, and we'd really appreciate seeing it. Thanks!
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "mccormickmolly" wrote:
<< I have a faded wooden bagatelle baseball game that belonged to my father (born 1917) and am trying
to find out information about it as it may be used in a museum exhibit.
It is about 20" tall, rounded at the top, 12" across the bottom with a 1" deep edge all around. At the right
bottom there is a metal strip that was used to make the ball go up the 8" track onto the playing surface.
The nails surrounding the various "bases" are about 1/2" tall. There are very faded painted baseball players
on the board. If anyone could help me out with a date for this or any information as to where it was made
I would really appreciate it. Thanks!
>>
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Message #5375 Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:16 pm
"chrisharrison355" <chrisharrison355(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Update on my leagues
Yeah, I hate the runaways. I usually have some good races. I was afraid I might even have a 3-way tie, and
I had no idea how to resolve it if I did. A one game playoff would work for 2 teams but 3? I did once have
a 3way tie in my 1979 basketball league, but I hated to do it the way I did with that for baseball, where
one game is not as meaningful as a series. In the basketball league I had two teams play, and the winner
play the third- winner take all. Fortunately, the 76ers won both and ended any worries that it wasn't fair
to one team or the other.

Do you keep career stats for your players? I do, and boy is it time consuming but ultimately rewarding.

It took about 7 weeks to do this 120 game league, but the SBS game is so simple that's not typical.
I think I did a strat computer 120 game league in under a month, but that was tough.
Real life makes it difficult to average 4 games a day, even with fast computer games.

I typically get about 3-4 leagues done a year on average. I have been dying to try dynasty league,
but I am afraid it would slow me down so I went with the APBA game instead for the '69 season.

Jacques: I am not sure exactly how many teams I am going to do but I know for sure I will use the braves,
giants, pirates, reds, twins, and orioles. Teams on the bubble are the cubs, a's, tigers, and cardinals. I know
the Mets won that year, but I just can't get excited about their players. Historically, they don't do much for me
other than Seaver and Ryan, both of whom I have already used before.

By the way Tom, no, not that Chris Harrison, though he did work for a time at an OKC tv station
as a sportscaster. I am in Tulsa, which is about 90 miles away.

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hi there Chris, thanks very much for that report!... Nice exciting finish you had there in your pennant race
> -- for some reason, seventeen of the eighteen races we've had in our home-brew dice-game league (two
> divisions, nine seasons) have been runaways. How long does it take you to complete a season? We suppose
> it varies widely depending on which game you're using, and we're inferring you've used a variety of games
> for your season replays...
>
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Message #5376 Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:24 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Trojan Big League bagatelle
Hi again, Molly, and thanks for the follow-up! Fellers, Molly was good enough to shoot us, off-list, a photo
of her game as we requested. We've added it to the "Viewer Mail" folder of our Photos section -- we're
assuming Molly won't mind another thousand pairs of eyes having a look at it, since someone among you
may have actually seen the game somewhere else before and will have some hard information about it.

All we can say here, however, is that, indeed, this is a new one on us here in the front office. Every time
we think may have "seen 'em all," something else turns up that's totally unknown to us. Based on that photo,
though, we'll stand by our early sight-unseen assessment. The Trojan does have a very strong resemblance
to the Sharp-Boyd bagatelles we cited -- plain unpainted wood, sparsely decorated with red and black stencils,
and with finishing nails forming the baffles. The "Trojan" bit comes in with that little outline of a mitt toward
the bottom of the game, which is perhaps too small for anyone to make out in the scaled-down photo we posted.
Actually, it's nigh impossible for us to discern even on the much larger version of that photo that Molly sent,
but there's another line printed below "Trojan" inside that mitt cartouche, which we're inferring must say
"Big League," although if you'd put a gun to any of our heads and made us guess, we'd have ventured
"Made in USA" (Molly, if we're wrong about that, clue us in and tell us just what it does say in the mitt
and where it does say "Big League," and whether there's any writing on the back or edges of the board).

So between the likely age of Molly's dad when he acquired the game, and its similarity to the Sharp-Boyd
numbers -- sketchy evidence, we admit -- we'd still say it's a late-1920s item. The uniforms of the stencilled
ballplayers on the board don't provide anough detail to say it isn't a bit older than that nor that it isn't of
much more recent manufacture -- nor, as far as we can tell, does the style of typography say much about
a date of origin. It's a mysterious piece.

One notable, and as far as we can recall, unique feature of this bagatelle is the leaf-spring launcher for the ball.
We can't think of any other tabletop or handheld pinball or bagatelle baseball game that uses anything but a
coil-spring launcher, and that standard goes as far back as the Waghter's and Nash games of circa 1889-90.

Fellers, let us know if you agree or disagree with our assessment, and of course if you've ever seen or
heard of this one before. Molly, let us know if there's anything else we can try to tell ya!
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "butch7999" wrote:
<< Hello Molly, welcome to the group and thanks for your question! ... we don't think we've ever encountered
exactly what it is you have there. Maybe one or more of the other folks on board here are familiar with it,
and if so we're sure they'll be along momentarily with some insights. We take it, from your subject line,
that "Trojan" is printed somewhere on the board as either the game's title or as the manufacturer....
From the information you've provided so far, "mid-1920s" would be our first stab at putting a date on your
game, based on the years of your dad's boyhood (assuming he got it when he was a boy) and the physical
design of the game -- wooden bagatelles using nails as baffles almost exclusively pre-date 1930 or so....
We would really like to see a photo or three of your game... That might help us give you a more informed
answer, and we'd really appreciate seeing it. Thanks!
>>
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Message #5377 Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:36 am
"mccormickmolly" <mthree(at)att.net>
Re: Re: Trojan Big League bagatelle
Wow! Butch thanks for your detailed reply - I can tell you that it says in big letters around the top
"Trojan Big League", not just at the bottom. And, honestly I have no concrete idea when/how it actually
came into my family. I also have a "newer" baseball one that that is a glass top bagatelle made by
Northwestern products in St Louis, MO that is a 4-in-one Poosh-M-Up Jr. It has the pull back ball release.
I have done some research and think it is from the 40's. You have been enormously helpful with what you have
found out for me already. I am going to recommend this site to the curator at the history museum here in Fl
who will be doing the baseball exhibit. He also is a huge baseball fan.
Please let me know whatever else you may need to know or find out, but this has been very helpful.
Thanks,
Molly
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Message #5378 Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:44 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Trojan Big League bagatelle
Hey there Molly, thanks for the kind words, even though we're pretty sure we really haven't been of much help!
We'll have to take your word for it about the title at the top of the game, since the bifocal-handicapped crew
here in the front office can't quite see much of anything up there -- if we squint really hard, though, we think
we can see what must be the "A" in "League" just above and a little to the right of the "N" in "Home Run,"
are we right about that? ("Do the letters look sharper this way -- or... <click>... *this* way...")
By the way, what *does* it say below "Trojan" inside the little mitt logo at the bottom?

But wait, we're not done thinkin' up thinks on your game... that leaf-spring launcher is quite a curiosity.
It's hard to tell from the quite-to-be-expected general wear and aging on the game -- a bent nail here,
a chip in the wood frame there -- whether that's all from repeated play or just the vicissitudes of its
probable 80 years of existence. But we're wondering if -- and if there's any way you can tell through careful
examination -- whether that leaf-spring is part of the original manufacture, or whether it might have been
a homemade replacement for what would originally have been a typical coil-spring launch mechanism.
Have you tried loading it up with a marble or a steel ball bearing to see if the launcher actually works?

Your estimate on the age of the Northwestern *Poosh-M-Up 4-in-1 Jr.* is about correct (late '40s,
early-to-mid-'50s, most likely). That game was very popular and had a long production run, so it's
commonly available today (we have two or three of 'em right here). Northwestern uses a 1933 patent
on all of its wide variety of tabletop pinball games (we've catalogued at least seventeen variations),
which were produced from the 1930s right on into the early '70s.

Please do pass along to your curator acquaintance the information about this Forum and our website --
we'd be happy to help out with whatever they might be featuring about baseball games. You can tell 'em
we've already served as consultants on two such museum exhibits -- the Fisher-Price Toy Town Museum
exhibit, 2004, in East Aurora NY (currently in shut-down mode, sadly -- the economy and all that), and
the exhibit that ran most of 2008 at the National Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown NY, which featured
exclusively the world's-best collection of Mark Cooper, who is himself a member of this forum.

Thanks again for bringing *Trojan Big League* to our attention, and stay in touch!
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "mthree" wrote:
<< Wow! Butch thanks for your detailed reply - I can tell you that it says in big letters around the top
"Trojan Big League", not just at the bottom. And, honestly I have no concrete idea when/how it actually
came into my family. I also have a "newer" baseball one that that is a glass top bagatelle made by
Northwestern products in St Louis, MO that is a 4-in-one Poosh-M-Up Jr. It has the pull back ball release.
I have done some research and think it is from the 40's. You have been enormously helpful with what you
have found out for me already. I am going to recommend this site to the curator at the history museum
here in Fl who will be doing the baseball exhibit. He also is a huge baseball fan.
Please let me know whatever else you may need to know or find out, but this has been very helpful.
Thanks...
>>
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Message #5379 Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:24 pm
"Chris Hudson" <chrishudson(at)gmail.com> chud3_1967
baseball game from a math site
I was doing some googling and found this link to a web site for math teachers. It details a baseball game
played using ordinary baseball cards, with a printable gamecard and spinner. I thought it would be neat
for those looking for something free:
http://illuminations.nctm.org/LessonDetail.aspx?id=L257

-- Chris
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Message #5380 Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:58 am
"Tom Stillman" <giantsfan_94121(at)yahoo.com>
Re: baseball game from a math site
Thanks a million, Chris. I have to prepare incoming high school freshmen for algebra at the end of July
so this looks like it may be something I can use.
Tom Stillman

--- "Chris Hudson" wrote:
> I was doing some googling and found this link to a web site for math teachers. It details a baseball game
> played using ordinary baseball cards, with a printable gamecard and spinner. I thought it would be neat
> for those looking for something free: http://illumination s.nctm.org/ LessonDetail. aspx?id=L257
>
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Message #5381 Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:10 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: baseball game from a math site
Hi Chris, thanks for the alert! Nice item for teachers, as Tom mentioned, or even a nice starting point
for anybody interested in designing their own game.
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Chris Hudson" wrote:
<< I was doing some googling and found this link to a web site for math teachers. It details a baseball game
played using ordinary baseball cards, with a printable gamecard and spinner. I thought it would be neat
for those looking for something free: http://illuminations.nctm.org/LessonDetail.aspx?id=L257
>>
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Message #5382 Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:33 pm
"mccormickmolly" <mthree(at)att.net>
Re: Re: Trojan Big League bagatelle
Hi Butch - thanks for your patience with this- I have attached 3 more photos for you. The mitt at the bottom
is pretty blurry - I cannot make it out at all. I think you can see the top well and the device at the bottom
appears to be maybe a make shift replacement?? It is a screw that goes up inside to push the ball and
is attached by tiny screws on the metal piece. Could this have been the original??
Thanks again for your interest and I have passed the website on to the curator.
I appreciate all you have found out for me.
Molly
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5383 Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:40 am
"terryandy60" <terryandy60(at)yahoo.com>
East/West Standings sheet(s)
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone knows where i might obtain an old East/West division standings sheet
for baseball?.I came across the newer ones with East/Central/West but no luck on just East/West divisions.
Thank you,
Terry
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5384 Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:26 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: East/West Standings sheet(s)
Hiya Terry, welcome to the Forum and thanks for your question! We're a little fuzzy on just exactly what it is
you're looking for, though. Are you looking for a blank template so that you can fill in standings for a sim league?
If so, would that be an on-line page you can set and update, or a printable form you can use as a hard copy?
Or are you just looking for actual past standings from the AL and NL two-division era?
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "terryandy60" wrote:
<< Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows where i might obtain an old East/West division standings sheet
for baseball?.I came across the newer ones with East/Central/West but no luck on just East/West divisions.
Thank you...
>>
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5385 Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:43 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Trojan Big League bagatelle
Hi again Molly, and thanks very much for the follow-up! We e-mailed you a couple of days ago, right after
your most recent message here, but we haven't heard back from you yet -- maybe the e-mail didn't go through,
maybe you've just been away. Anyway, as we mentioned, attachments (photos, files, &c') cannot be sent
directly to the forum/e-list -- Yahoo software strips those off of any messages sent. We're eager to see
the additional pics, but you'll have to send them to us off-list once more.
Thanks again!
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "mthree" wrote:
<< Hi Butch - thanks for your patience with this- I have attached 3 more photos for you....
>>
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Message #5386 Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:58 am
"fshrmn69" <fshrmn69(at)yahoo.com>
National Card Baseball Game
Hello, iI am new to this site and looking for information. I have a National Card Basebal Game.
The only thing i have found on this game is that it was made by The National Card Baseball Co.
I think in 1923. Would like to find out some sort of value on this item. I have not been able
to find anything anywhere on the internet, thank you.
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5387 Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:53 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: National Card Baseball Game
Hello there fs', welcome to the group and thanks for your question! You've come to the right place for
information. *National Card Baseball Game,* and its almost identical variant edition, *New Card Baseball
Game
* (same company, probably same year), are rather scarce items, so you've something pretty cool
on your hands. We've tracked thousands of on-line (and off-line) sales and auctions over the years, and
in all that time, we've seen exactly one of each of those editions sell.

The slightly unfortunate news for you, though -- since it sounds like you're eager to sell the game -- is that
for all their scarcity, they haven't seemed to excite collectors all that much. Then again, with such a short
track record of sales, completed sale prices may be misleading and not indicative of what you might get
for yours. A set of *National* in really nice condition sold for $67. on eBay not quite five years ago, and
a set of *New,* the cards in equally crisp shape but with more severe wear to the box, sold there
three years ago to a very deep-pockets collector for just $34. But ya never know at auction! Could go
a lot higher or a lot lower, depending on condition, completeness, and who happens to be looking at the time.
Either edition should have 78 cards, a little rule booklet, ten little tiddleywink-style markers, and probably,
or at least possibly, although we've never seen one, some little paper playing field (else why the markers?).

We hope that helps! Anything else we can tell ya, just ask.
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "fshrmn69" wrote:
<< Hello, iI am new to this site and looking for information. I have a National Card Basebal Game.
The only thing i have found on this game is that it was made by The National Card Baseball Co.
I think in 1923. Would like to find out some sort of value on this item. I have not been able
to find anything anywhere on the internet, thank you.
>>
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5388 Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:37 pm
"Lionheart®" <za7002az(at)yahoo.com>
Re: East/West Standings sheet(s)
Everything you want to know: http://www.baseball-reference.com/
Gary

--- "terryandy60" wrote:
> Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows where i might obtain an old East/West division standings sheet
> for baseball?.I came across the newer ones with East/Central/ West but no luck on just East/West divisions....
>
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5389 Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:22 am
"dicebaseball2k" <dicebaseball2k(at)yahoo.com>
Baseball craps game
Hey guys,
I have developed a baseball/craps hybrid game and I would like for you guys to see it and maybe even play it.
How can I upload my pdf file with the rules?
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5390 Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:10 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Baseball craps game
Hello dice, welcome to the forum and thanks for your question! Obviously, the easiest way to go would be
if you could just make the file accessible on-line yourself and provide a link to it here. If you absolutely
can't find a way to get the file on-line, send us a note *off-list* with the file included as an attachment,
and we'll see what we can do.
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "dicebaseball2k" wrote:
<< Hey guys, > I have developed a baseball/craps hybrid game and I would like for you guys to see it and
maybe even play it. How can I upload my pdf file with the rules?
>>
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5391 Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:17 am
"Jeff Downey" <jeff(at)tabletop-sports.com> cdowney1972
Time Travel Baseball Re-Release Announced
Downey Games is proud to announce the re-release of Time Travel Baseball.
You can get more information by clicking the link below or by visiting tabletop-sports.com.

http://www.downeygames.com/catalog/inde ... h=1_58_110

From now until August 4th, 2009 I will be taking pre-orders for the game and the first Expansion set.
For our initial release, the Base Set includes:
* 8 Manager Cards
* 8 Ball Park Cards
* 240 Player Flash*Cards
* 104 Gamble Cards
* All game components (dice, charts, rules)
* Copies of brochures from the game’s original release, copies of the original rule book,
Time Travel newsletter updates.

We are also offering an Expansion Set which includes:
* 8 additional Manager Cards
* 8 additional Ball Park Cards
* 200 additional player Flash*cards

As a special bonus, all pre-orders will receive 3 special flash* cards that will only be printed for pre-orders.
After that, they will never be printed again.
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5392 Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:17 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Trojan Big League bagatelle
Hello again Molly, and hi fellers -- Molly was kind enough to re-send to us, off-list, those additional close-up
photos of the game that she mentioned in her previous post. We fired up the tunnelling electron microscope
here in the lab and took a closer look, and... er, well, we haven't figured out very much.

The fault's not in Molly's photography, which gave us as good a look as anyone's going to get without being
hands-on with the game. The problem is all in the thick blurry stencil graphics, printed in faded red on the
unpainted rust-colored wooden board. A slightly different angle to the light does indeed make *Trojan
Big League* clearly evident as the title curving around the top of the board, just as Molly told us at the start.
The little logo near the bottom, though, with "Trojan (something)" inside a mitt-shaped cartouche, remains
a mystery. We enlarged it, shrank it, and looked at it with the colors inverted as in a photographic negative,
and we're still at a loss as to what the word or phrase beneath "Trojan" is. If you put a gun to our heads,
we'd guess it's "Chicago," but there's really just no telling. A cursory search for any history of a Trojan
company based in Chicago turned up nothing relevant, but of course it's almost impossible to find information
anywhere on any extinct company, let alone anything on what was probably a small independent manufacturer
from 70 or 80 years ago.

The unique, or at least extremely unusual, leaf-spring ball-launcher also remains a mystery. A closer look
and word from Molly confirms that it's attached to the bottom of the frame with two very unalike screws, and
a third type of screw forms or attaches the dowel that actually strikes the ball. That dowel or screw is only
about a third or 40% of the diameter of the aperture through which it strikes, and all that makes us think that
*probably* it is indeed an improvised home-made replacement for what had originally been a conventional
coil-spring plunger-launcher. But we can't say for certain. This doesn't appear to have been a game
manufactured with the highest of production values, so maybe that's the way it was made. Nothing against
the innate coolness of this rare piece, though!

We haven't posted the new photos, because they're automatically reduced in size by Yahoo software, so you
really wouldn't be able to see even as much as we could. The main photo of the game, though, is still there
in the "Viewer Mail" folder of our Photos section, in case any of you guys haven't yet taken a look at it.
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "mthree" wrote:
<< Hi Butch - thanks for your patience with this- I have attached 3 more photos for you. The mitt at the bottom
is pretty blurry - I cannot make it out at all. I think you can see the top well and the device at the bottom
appears to be maybe a make shift replacement?? It is a screw that goes up inside to push the ball and is
attached by tiny screws on the metal piece. Could this have been the original?? Thanks again for your interest
and I have passed the website on to the curator. I appreciate all you have found out for me.
>>
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5393 Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:11 pm
"dicebaseball2k" <dicebaseball2k(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Baseball craps game
You can call me Sean. And I just submitted it in the downloads section of table top sports, and sent you the note.
Thank you.

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hello dice, welcome to the forum and thanks for your question! Obviously, the easiest way to go would be
> if you could just make the file accessible on-line yourself and provide a link to it here. If you absolutely
> can't find a way to get the file on-line, send us a note *off-list* with the file included as an attachment,
> and we'll see what we can do.
>
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5394 Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:48 am
"booduh72" <booduh72(at)yahoo.com>
Base Ball : The Modern Card Game -- Schulz Amusement Card Co, 1922
it has been awhile since I posted on here about the titled game, but does anyone have a idea
as to how many cards were in the set.
Thank you
Anthony
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Message #5395 Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:46 am
"George" <george(at)gen1400.com> gen1400
Re: Baseball craps game
I can put your game on my website so people can download it.
Check out my website http://www.gen1400.com and let me know if I can be of any assistance.
George
Gen1400 Gaming

--- "dicebaseball2k" wrote:
> Hey guys, I have developed a baseball/craps hybrid game and I would like for you guys to see it
> and maybe even play it. How can I upload my pdf file with the rules?
>
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5396 Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:06 pm
"Robert Henkel" <jagracer55(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Baseball craps game
Sure I'd like to try it. Always interested in new baseball games.

--- "dicebaseball2k" wrote:
> Hey guys, I have developed a baseball/craps hybrid game and I would like for you guys to see it
> and maybe even play it. How can I upload my pdf file with the rules?
>
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5397 Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:23 pm
"mccormickmolly" <mthree(at)att.net>
Re: Re: Trojan Big League bagatelle
WOW! You guys are great. I am so grateful that you have spent so much time and effort
on researching this for me. I will be able to use the information you have given me if/when it is used
in the baseball exhibit at the museum.
Thanks again for your help.
Molly

PS Butch...just curious...are/were you a writer, newspaper editor or another similar job? -
your style of writing is great - just enjoy reading your responses!
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Message #5398 Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:38 pm
"Robert Henkel" <jagracer55(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Re: Baseball craps game
Sean,
What is the game called? and what section is it in?
Bob H

--- "dicebaseball2k" wrote:
> You can call me Sean. And I just submitted it in the downloads section of table top sports,
> and sent you the note. Thank you.
>
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5399 Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:24 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Baseball craps game
Hi Sean, thanks for the follow-up on that! We're sure there'll be significant interest, and Jeff's
heavily-trafficked site, with its focus on new game development, is a much better fit as a host
for your game than our little vintage-games backwater here.

Guys, if you have any trouble finding Sean's game over there, try using this link to it:
http://www.tabletop-sports.com/modules. ... s_Baseball

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "dicebaseball2k" wrote:
<< You can call me Sean. And I just submitted it in the downloads section of table top sports,
and sent you the note. Thank you.
>>
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5400 Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:43 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Time Travel Baseball Re-Release Announced
Hi Jeff, thanks for the heads-up on that -- there's been some extraordinary interest over the years
in the *Time Travel* game. Were you in contact with Stan Frohlich in the process of developing
the re-release?

Guys, there's much more information about the Tabletop-Sports.com edition of *Time Travel*
on Jeff's order page, here:
http://www.downeygames.com/catalog/inde ... 446e7c1647

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Jeff Downey" wrote:
<< Downey Games is proud to announce the re-release of Time Travel Baseball....
>>
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5401 Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:34 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Base Ball : The Modern Card Game -- Schulz Amusement Card Co, 1922
Hey there Anthony, nice to hear from ya again!
Unfortunately, we've got nothing new -- and next to nothing, period -- about that rarity.

We think we didn't mention this last time you posted about the game, but for the majority of folks here
who are probably unfamiliar with *Base Ball - the Modern Card Game,* the card backs sport a design
pretty much identical to that used in the E120 caramel card set -- a design which was also used in advertising
for *Olsen's Base Ball played with Cards* (1922, Olsen Games) and *The Major League Base Ball Game*
(Parker Brothers, circa 1922), although both those games used the same card back, one completely different
than the E120 design used for the 1922 Schulz game. Curious.

Mark Cooper -- who else! -- seemed to have some familiarity with the Schulz game last time the subject
came up here. We wouldn't be the least little bit surprised if he owns the game. Mark, are we right about that,
and if so, can you provide a card count?
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "booduh72" wrote:
<< it has been awhile since I posted on here about the titled game, but does anyone have a idea
as to how many cards were in the set. Thank you
>>
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5402 Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:46 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Trojan Big League bagatelle
Hey Molly, thanks for the very kind words -- although again, we don't think we've really been
of all that much help! Say, can you tell us anything about the proposed baseball exhibit?
Is there to be some particular focus on tabletop or "home versions" of baseball?
Please do keep us informed on whatever develops there.
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

PS -- thanks very much for the all-too-rarely-heard compliments! Bear in mind that our posts here
are a collaborative effort, but we will say that you're an extremely perceptive woman!

--- "mthree" wrote:
<< WOW! You guys are great. I am so grateful that you have spent so much time and effort
on researching this for me. I will be able to use the information you have given me if/when it is used
in the baseball exhibit at the museum. Thanks again for your help.
...
PS Butch...just curious...
...
>>
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Message #5403 Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:10 pm
"Mark Cooper" <markwcooper(at)comcast.net>
Re: Re: Base Ball : The Modern Card Game -- Schulz Amusement Card Co, 1922
I am out of town,and when I return ,i will look into this

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> ... Mark Cooper -- who else! -- seemed to have some familiarity with the Schulz game last time the subject
> came up here. We wouldn't be the least little bit surprised if he owns the game. Mark, are we right about that,
> and if so, can you provide a card count?
>
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5404 Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:38 pm
"lauraj400" <lauraj400(at)gmail.com>
Can anyone tell me the
names of some baseball games that are free for download? Thanks.
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5405 Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:50 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Free on-line baseball (was: Can anyone tell me the)
Hello Laura -- as always, Forum member Jeff Downey's Tabletop-Sports.com is always the best starting point
for this sort of thing. Try this page:
http://www.tabletop-sports.com/modules. ... load&cid=1

Game Downloads provides more than 30 free baseball games for PC users -- we may even have overlooked
one or two there -- but right now there's: Baseball Mogul, Bo Jackson Baseball, Diamond Dreams, Earl Weaver 2,
Front Page Sports, Hardball II - V, Major League Manager,
five versions of MicroLeague, Oldtime Baseball,
Orel Hershiser's Strike Zone, Out of the Park 2, Pete Rose Pennant Fever, Pro League, Pro Manager, Radio
Baseball, RBI Baseball 2, Sporting News Baseball, Strategic Baseball Simulator, Street Sports Baseball,
Time Out Sports Baseball,
two versions of Tony LaRussa Baseball, TV Sports Baseball, and World's Greatest
Baseball Game.
Those are all here: [ http://free-game-downloads.mosw.com/aba ... pc/sports/ ]

Also, several game publishers provide free sample downloads of abridged editions or limited-time trial versions
of their games. Those dominate the list below, which also includes free-to-participate online leagues:
All-Time Baseball [ http://www.sakersoft.com/all_time/ ]
Ballhalla Baseball Game [ http://www.bb3000.com/ballhallabaseballgame.htm ]
Baseball Classics [ http://www.playbaseballclassics.com/ ]
Baseball Guru [ http://baseballguru.com/bbboardgame.html ]
Baseball Manager Fantasy [ http://www.baseballmanager.com/ ]
Baseball Mogul 2010 [ http://www.sportsmogul.com/games/baseball2k10.html ]
Batter's Up Baseball Math Game [ http://www.prongo.com/math/ ]
Bullpen Blast [ http://www.candystand.com/play/bullpen-blast ]
College Series Baseball [ http://www.geocities.com/markleew/ ]
Extra Innings [ http://www.geocities.com/hdnewhouse/eibb1.htm ]
4th Street Baseball [ http://www.4thstreetsoftware.com/prod04.htm ]
Fun with Baseball Stats [ http://illuminations.nctm.org/LessonDetail.aspx?id=L257 ]
Inside the Park Baseball [ http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/joomla/ ... loads.html ]
Internet Baseball League [ http://www.ibl.org/ ] [ http://wiki.ibl.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?i ... structions ]
MLB Dugout Heroes [
http://www.gamescampus.com/account/sign ... odeDetail= ]
MLB Players Baseball Games [ http://www.mlb-players.com/games/index.php ]
Off the Wall Baseball [ http://refsgames.t35.com/baseball.HTM ]
Pastime Baseball [ http://www.angelfire.com/sports/tts/page2.html ]
Pennant Fever Baseball [ http://www.sportsdevelopmentstudio.com/downloads.htm ]
Replay Baseball [ http://www.replaybb.com/PCBBPages/PCBBGame.htm ]
Strategic Baseball Simulator [ http://www.sbs-baseball.com/ ]
The That's Baseball Game [ http://thatsbaseball1.tripod.com/id59.htm ]
The Universal Baseball Association [ http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/dice.htm ]
and two from Cheapass Games [ http://www.cheapass.com/free/index.html ]

You can also poke around in here: [ http://www.fileplanet.com/ ]

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "lauraj400" wrote:
<< names of some baseball games that are free for download? Thanks.
>>
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Message #5406 Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:57 pm
"laura lawson" <lauraj400(at)gmail.com>
Re: Re: Free on-line baseball (was: Can anyone tell me the)
WOW,I hit the motherload,thanks,Butch.

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hello Laura -- as always, Forum member Jeff Downey's Tabletop-Sports.com is always the best starting point
> for this sort of thing. Try this page:
> http://www.tabletop-sports.com/modules. ... load&cid=1
> Game Downloads provides more than 30 free baseball games for PC users...
> Those are all here: [ http://free-game-downloads.mosw.com/aba ... pc/sports/ ]
> Also, several game publishers provide free sample downloads of abridged editions or limited-time trial versions
> of their games. Those dominate the list below, which also includes free-to-participate online leagues:
> ...
>
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5407 Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:16 pm
"Jeff Downey" <jeff(at)tabletop-sports.com> cdowney1972
Re: Re: Time Travel Baseball Re-Release Announced
Hello Butch and all!
I was in contact with Stanley as the project started. Stanley isn't in great health right now, and I was
given a good deal of freedom with the update. Although, I'm certain that he did so knowing I'd keep
the spirit of the game as it was when originally released in 1979. I've made some changes to the "look"
of the game, and have brought it into modern times with park effects, and a few more rating categories.
But, the game is still very much Time Travel Baseball.

It's been quite an honor for me to have Stanley's trust with the game moving forward. I'm extremely proud
of the new offering, and excited to have the game available once again.
-Jeff Downey

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hi Jeff, thanks for the heads-up on that -- there's been some extraordinary interest over the years in the
> *Time Travel* game. Were you in contact with Stan Frohlich in the process of developing the re-release? ...
>
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5408 Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:09 pm
"mccormickmolly" <mthree(at)att.net>
Re: Re: Trojan Big League bagatelle
Hi Butch -
The special exhibit is being planned for a bit in the future - Feb of 2011 I believe- at the Richard and Pat Johnson
History Museum in West Palm Beach, FL. I don't know all the particulars, but it will focus on baseball in
Palm Beach County, FL from as far back as they have records. They have already had some preliminary talks -
there is quite a bit of baseball history here. I have given your name/site to the curator and Director of Special
Exhibits, Steve Erdmann, and I know he is pleased to have you guys as a resource.
Thanks again for your interest,
Molly
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Message #5409 Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:16 pm
"Bruce Hessel" <huskerbruce2002(at)yahoo.com>
Buying and selling old games
Is EBAY the best place to find vintage sports games? ...
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5410 Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:43 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Buying and selling old games
Hello Bruce, welcome to the group and thanks for your question, which we've edited to conform with our
forum policy [ http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/Forumpolicy.htm ], which of course you already read
upon signing up.

Despite it's relentlessly continuing pattern of hostility toward both buyers and sellers -- its brand-new
browser-crashing flash-and-java-animated auction page format just the latest in a tediously long line of
"improvements" designed to inconvenience everyone and drive away business -- eBay remains by far
the most visible and most visited marketplace for the widest selection and largest volume of vintage
sports games. High-end items -- 19th-century games, avidly-sought rarities, and the like -- also do well
on the tonier specialty sports memorabilia auction sites, particularly Robert Edward and Hunt. CraigsList
is a bit of a minefield, although we've had some good luck there as buyers.

You can certainly inquire at any time here in this forum about games you'd like to buy, and members of
the group can then contact you off-list if they have what you're looking for and are interested in working out
a deal. Forum policy, however, sets limits here on advertising of items for sale. That's just us. Other
game-oriented Yahoo forums, the Delphi forums, and the forums at Jeff Downey's Tabletop-Sports.com are
generally a lot less persnickety about that sort of thing, so one could target those audiences if one so desired.
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

<< Is EBAY the best place to find vintage sports games? ...
>>
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Message #5411 Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:40 pm
"Bill Bennett" <Glwyvern(at)gmail.com> bennettbill76
Re: Re: Free on-line baseball (was: Can anyone tell me the)
Hello Laura
I've added a lot of BLM Baseball season, out charts, fast actions charts, every thing needed to play
BLM baseball to http://www.tabletop-sports.com/modules. ... load&cid=1

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hello Laura -- as always, Forum member Jeff Downey's Tabletop-Sports.com is always the best starting point
> for this sort of thing....
>
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Message #5412 Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:32 am
"meeker1996" <emeek19(at)aol.com>
Re: Re: Time Travel Baseball Re-Release Announced
Jeff,
I will probably say that this will be your finest game of all that you have offered all of us.?
I have seen your samples and given the "Downey" touch, it will be your best seller.?
I look forward to purchasing the game once my finances gets back on track in a week.

Again, great job so far.? Many will be happy with what you have produced.
Edward R. Meek

--- "Jeff Downey" wrote:
> ... I've made some changes to the "look" of the game, and have brought it into modern times with
> park effects, and a few more rating categories. But, the game is still very much Time Travel Baseball.
> It's been quite an honor for me to have Stanley's trust with the game moving forward.
> I'm extremely proud of the new offering, and excited to have the game available once again.
>
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Message #5413 Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:24 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Re: Free on-line baseball (was: Can anyone tell me the)
Hi Bill, thanks for that comment -- Edward, you too -- but to save everyone a few seconds of frustration,
Jeff's temporarily shut down all downloads (and uploads) at his site while he tinkers with the site software.
Should probably just be a few days. In the meantime, Jeff could probably use a thank you note from
everyone who frequents his site and avails themselves of all the work he puts into it.
That webmasterin'-moderatin' stuff ain't always as easy as it looks...
Hey Jeff, we appreciate ya over here...
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Bill Bennett" wrote:
<< ... I've added a lot of BLM Baseball season, out charts, fast actions charts, every thing needed
to play BLM baseball to
http://www.tabletop-sports.com/modules. ... load&cid=1
>>
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Message #5414 Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:07 pm
"kcmoor" <kcmoor(at)sbcglobal.net>
coin-op game
this is truly a unique baseball game i have owned for some time it is from h. and m. manufacturing co.with
the address being 5646 lake park ave.chicago il.30and a half in.in length 16 in.in width and 6in. in depth i
have never even come across a game b4 with this companies name on it let alone the price to play the game
which is ten balls for 1 cent it still will take your penny and drop it down into the slot on the right side of the
machine the rules of the game are very legible in the bottom right corner all the holes are surrounded by very
old nails see if someone can help me out with this thanxxxxx k.c.
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Message #5415 Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:01 pm
"jose59g" <dmfjg(at)aol.com>
Re: 1969 Milton Bradley Official Baseball Game
hi jack and others,
i'm a newbee. 'hope i'm replying in the correct manner. i just bought the 1969 296-card set and would like to
set them up for some games. i read the entire thread you guys did in 06-07. it is very helpful.
i'm hoping someone can answer a couple questions re: play as i have no game parts nor instructions.
1. what is the purpose of the screen?
2. what is the purpose of the "diagram" on the section of the board where the screen is placed?

i am very impressed with the communications i have read and look forward to an enjoyable membership.

--- "jack.sloan" wrote:
> I may be a year late with this but I just got on here. The "RH" means runners hold and
> "RA1" means runners advance one base, DP-if-BR means double play if base runner.
>
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Message #5416 Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:54 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: coin-op game
Hiya KC, and thanks for your question! Sounds like a fascinating piece you have there and we'd really
like to see it -- in fact, we'll *have* to see it in order to try to tell you anything about it, since it doesn't
sound like anything we can find in our records. You can post a photo of it in the "Viewer Mail" folder
of our Photos section, or send us a photo off-list [ Butch(at)aol.com ]. In the meantime, if anyone else
on board recognizes what KC has, please pipe up and clue us all in!
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "kcmoor" wrote:
<< this is truly a unique baseball game i have owned for some time it is from h. and m. manufacturing co.with
the address being 5646 lake park ave.chicago il.30and a half in.in length 16 in.in width and 6in. in depth i
have never even come across a game b4 with this companies name on it let alone the price to play the game
which is ten balls for 1 cent it still will take your penny and drop it down into the slot on the right side of the
machine the rules of the game are very legible in the bottom right corner all the holes are surrounded by very
old nails see if someone can help me out with this thanxxxxx...
>>
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Message #5417 Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:16 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: 1969 Milton Bradley Official Baseball Game
Hello Jose, welcome to the group, thanks for your questions, thanks for researching in the Message Archives
before you asked, and thanks also for the kind words! Your manner of reply is more than sufficiently correct
-- we're pretty informal around here.

We can tell you that the screen is used to shield one gamer's selection on the "finger dials" of his half of the
play diagram from his opponent's view. However, the front office crew here has not been hands-on with
this game, so while we think we can make a decent guess as to how it works, we're not really *exactly certain*
what the finger dials select or how those relate to the play results shown on the player cards. Plenty of other
guys on board here, though, are much more familiar with the game, and we're certain one or more of them
will be along momentarily to provide definitive answers for you.
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "jose59g" wrote:
<< hi jack and others, i'm a newbee. 'hope i'm replying in the correct manner. i just bought the 1969
296-card set and would like to set them up for some games. i read the entire thread you guys did in 06-07.
it is very helpful. i'm hoping someone can answer a couple questions re: play as i have no game parts
nor instructions.
1. what is the purpose of the screen?
2. what is the purpose of the "diagram" on the section of the board where the screen is placed?
I am very impressed with the communications i have read and look forward to an enjoyable membership.
>>
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Message #5418 Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:17 am
"Mark Cooper" <markwcooper(at)comcast.net>
Re: Re: coin-op game
butch
I will need a picture to ID the coin op
mark

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hiya KC, and thanks for your question! Sounds like a fascinating piece you have there and we'd really
> like to see it -- in fact, we'll *have* to see it in order to try to tell you anything about it, since it doesn't
> sound like anything we can find in our records. You can post a photo of it in the "Viewer Mail" folder
> of our Photos section, or send us a photo off-list [ Butch(at)aol.com ]. In the meantime, if anyone else
> on board recognizes what KC has, please pipe up and clue us all in!
>
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Message #5419 Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:36 pm
"momike_99" <momike_99(at)yahoo.com>
Sherco GrandSlam Baseball
Years ago I had a table top Baseball game with the above mentioned name. Seems original Sherco of
New Jersey is no longer in business. Anybody familiar with this game? A spots card shop owner told me
possibly somebody bought the old Sherco name is selling the orig game.
Any help appreciated on where I could purchase Sherco GrandSlam Baseball.
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Message #5420 Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:35 pm
"jose59g" <dmfjg(at)aol.com>
Re: 1969 Milton Bradley Official Baseball Game
hi chris, i am a newbee. i have just obtained the 296-card set of 1969 mb obg.
i have no game parts nor instructions. i have read the very informative and interesting thread you guys did
in 06-07. in your scan you show a rules booklet. would it be possible for you to send a copy?
i've already received a response to a couple of questions from butch, but he wasn't certain on some points.
i would greatly appreciate your help.
thanx,
jose'

--- "rohanman99" wrote:
> ... I have both of the 'big' roster editions (not the '70 small set). I always thought that they came out in
> consecutive seasons. I'm kind of confused by this 1972 edition. The first edition had the Seattle Pilots
> team card. The second large edition had the Milwaukee Brewers (in the Western Division) and the
> Washington Senators in the East team card.... The editions are also distiguished by the results on the back.
> The second 'edition' only has six result variations. The first edition must have been individually calculated
> (except for hurlers, everyone seems to be different or at least more variations). To determine the edition,
> the simple method would be to look at a pitchers card. In the first edition, all pitchers had a Home Run
> result on dice roll 12. In the second edition, pitchers had a Double on 12...
> ...
>
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Message #5421 Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:06 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: coin-op game / 1922 Modern Card Game
Hiya Mark -- right, same here, like we said.
Hey, if you've returned home now, have you had a chance to get a card count on *The Modern Card Game*
(Schulz Amusement Card Co, 1922) that Anthony inquired about last week?
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "markwcooper" wrote:
<< I will need a picture to ID the coin op
>>
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Message #5422 Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:30 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Sherco GrandSlam Baseball
Hi there Mike, thanks for your question! Yep, we're well familiar with the game, which, apropos of nothing,
we here in the front office consider an underrated entry among modern MLB sims. It's a 1960s creation of
Dr Steve LeShay, and our 2004 interview with the very cordial Doctor L is there in the "Games" folder of
our "Files" section.

The marketing/distribution rights to the game, as mentioned in the interview, are still in the hands of Dave
Parsons, who is, like Dr Steve, still a member of this forum (likewise a very nice guy but, unfortuntely,
not the most prompt or loquacious of correspondents). Dave is on board here as "roman18us" and sells on
eBay as "rock78." He has loads of SherCo team/season chart sets available on eBay right now and at least
one complete game there as well (it's item # 200368048256 if you hurry).
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "momike_99" wrote:
<< Years ago I had a table top Baseball game with the above mentioned name. Seems original Sherco of
New Jersey is no longer in business. Anybody familiar with this game? A spots card shop owner told me
possibly somebody bought the old Sherco name is selling the orig game.
Any help appreciated on where I could purchase Sherco GrandSlam Baseball.
>>
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Message #5423 Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:47 pm
"Mark Cooper" <markwcooper(at)comcast.net>
Re: Re: coin-op game / 1922 Modern Card Game
Butch. I am out of town for 2 weeks.
Mark
Sent from my iPhone

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hiya Mark -- right, same here, like we said. Hey, if you've returned home now, have you
> had a chance to get a card count on *The Modern Card Game* (Schulz Amusement Card Co, 1922)
> that Anthony inquired about last week?
>
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