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Archive - Yahoo forum posts, 2009 December

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BASEBALLGAMES FORUM 2009 December, Messages 5637 - 5660
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Message #5637 Wed Dec 2, 2009 4:30 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Baseballgames update, 12-01-09

Hiya fellers! Gosh but the Forum here was quiet in November. And that despite some of the most remarkable
real-life playoff and World Series action we've seen in our many many years, which sparked no discussion in here
whatsoever. But, for only about the second time in our five and half years on-line, we neglected to throw out
the month's first pitch with our usual state-of-the-website post, so if the barely audible murmur that followed
is any indication, maybe these monthly keynote addresses actually do some good after all.
Here's another one, then!

That highly entertaining, sometimes brilliant, sometimes ludicrous post-season now behind us, it's time to remove
United Games' circa 1916 *"World's Series" Base Ball Game* from our front page and back to the archive.
Up in its place goes the extremely scarce *National Pastime,* the 1947 product of Robert L Plachta that was
the subject of discussion in here just a few months ago. Nice colors appropriate for the holiday season, we thought.

As always, let's extend a warm welcome to the newest members of the group. Say hello to these entities
who signed on in October: mcandst, skyscrapers_mike, blohhskj, pedroacouso, vinylmasters1, lorrivuke, sttfrk,
ashishoffice1, braves447, paknap, jvhwah, ewegolf, khusi_sharma007, irvingburkhart, and wcarte4321 -- and
in November: athleticsfan2k8, jamkb444, manderson1972, misssun44, waynegalena, rpgs.plus, funchucky,
tony183288, tigerbob6611, mattsiee, jrscards, spectre111154, and barcah2001. We're glad to have all of you
on board here! If you haven't yet done so, please make sure you're familiar with our Forum Policy
[ http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/Forumpolicy.htm ] before you post to the Forum/e-list,
then take some time to browse our searchable Message archives, Files, Links, and Photo galleries, as well as
the many features at our main website [ http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/ ] -- stick around, introduce
yourselves, let us know how you found us (seriously -- that's useful info for us), and don't hesitate to chime in
with any questions, comments, or news that you might have.

We'll add again, as always, our frequent but ever relevant advisory, to both newcomers and veteran members
of the group -- please do make sure your Yahoo membership has you registered/subscribed with a currently
active e-mail address. We do occasionally check for and eliminate memberships with an inert or disconnected
e-mail address -- and for some reason, that's the status of a number of folks who've joined in just the last few
months. If you're signed in that way, we have to assume you're no longer really on board, and, regrettably,
your membership will soon be deleted. So please do keep your status active, fellers -- just click on that
"Edit Membership" link above the Forum title if you're no longer using the e-mail address you registered
when you joined, or if you need to update anything else about your membership.

Slow though Forum traffic has been the past couple of months, we have had some intriguing contributions, and
maybe a quick review of just a few of those topics will spark a little more conversation in the next several weeks
-- Bill Malsman brought some recent and very nice vintage game acquisitions for Show 'n Tell; Chris Harrison
reported some very interesting results from an extensive season replay; Willie Drye provided a link to a
substantial article on *Strat-O-Matic* at Slate.com; and Bill Holmes brought a previously unknown variation
of Art Brayley's *Big-Leeg Manager* (1939) to our attention. Thanks for the input, fellers!
All arising in discussion as well: *Parlor Base Ball* (1903), *Champion Baseball* (1915), *Base Ball the Modern
Game
* (1922), *Psychic Baseball* (1927), *Dice-Ball Baseball Board Game* (1930s), *Be A Manager* (1967),
*Steve Garvey's Superstar Baseball* (1978), *Baseball Challenge* (1979), and *Monday Morning Manager* (1980).

If you've got something interesting to ask about, tell us about, or show us, don't be shy! Newcomers to the group
especially, take a look also in the Photos section's "Mystery Games" folder -- maybe a fresh set of eyes will
at long last help us polish off the remaining enigmas there. Games 3, 4, 6, 8, and 9 have been solved, but
we're still looking for additional info on #s 1 and 2, and #s 5 and 7 continue to elude identification.
No prize money for a correct answer, but the gratitude of the front office will be yours.

Let's see a little hustle out there now! Keep up the chatter, boys!
Butch, Kerm, & Win
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Message #5638 Sat Dec 5, 2009 10:42 am
"GregV" <sellfloors(at)yahoo.com>
Fantasy Baseball

Hey guys I am a baseball junkie, from collecting and selling to playing fantasy baseball.

I run a dynasty league that is looking for a few good players to take over existing teams.
A few guys haven't keep up to the league standards and we must replace them.
If your interested shoot me an email.
sellfloors(at)yahoo.com
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Message #5639 Wed Dec 9, 2009 11:07 am
"dthomas5atx" <dtjt(at)austin.rr.com>
150 Cadaco AllStar Baseball Disks - Free

I have had 150 Cadaco AllStar Baseball Disks sitting in my closet since the earty 80's.
Would be happy to give them to you if you are in Austin or send them to you for shipping charges,
probably under $5.
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Message #5640 Wed Dec 9, 2009 10:21 am
"rick queary" <riqr(at)tx.rr.com>
Re: Fantasy Baseball

sorry about my previous confusion. i run a tabletop baseball league that uses a game called Dynasty League
Baseball
to recreate the simulations. when i saw your posting, i thought yours was similar. i didn't realize
it was a rotisserie league.
thanks,
rick

--- "GregV" wrote:
> Hey guys I am a baseball junkie, from collecting and selling to playing fantasy baseball.
> I run a dynasty league that is looking for a few good players to take over existing teams.
> A few guys haven't keep up to the league standards and we must replace them.
> If your interested shoot me an email. sellfloors(at)yahoo.com
>
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Message #5641 Wed Dec 9, 2009 4:00 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: 150 Cadaco AllStar Baseball Disks - Free

Hi DJ, welcome to the group and thanks for your offer!
We'd suggest you also post that notice at our affiliated CadacoASB Forum
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Cad ... eballGame/
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/CadacoASB.htm

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "dthomas5atx" wrote:
<< I have had 150 Cadaco AllStar Baseball Disks sitting in my closet since the earty 80's.
Would be happy to give them to you if you are in Austin or send them to you for shipping charges,
probably under $5.
>>
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Message #5642 Wed Dec 9, 2009 4:06 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Fantasy Baseball

Hi Rick, welcome to the group and thanks for your invitation! No confusion at this end regarding your initial post
-- most everyone here has at least some familiarity with *Pursue the Pennant* / *Dynasty League* / ISB, and
there are several avid players among the membership.
This site and forum are not about rotisserie or fantasy baseball, however, but indeed about tabletop baseball games
-- and while we visit and comment at a number of other forums, we've got no idea what posting of ours
you're referring to!
:-)
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "rick queary" wrote:
<< sorry about my previous confusion. i run a tabletop baseball league that uses a game called
Dynasty League Baseball to recreate the simulations. when i saw your posting, i thought
yours was similar. i didn't realize it was a rotisserie league. thanks...
>>
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Message #5643 Wed Dec 9, 2009 5:07 pm
"Jim Whitty" <jimwhitty(at)comcast.net>
Be A Manager league is up and running!

Hi Butch,
Below is a picture of our opening night at The Pub where we began a league using the "Be a Manager" games
we purchased on E-bay. We will play a 36 game season and are already going to expand the league early in
the new year.
This could not have been possible without your help in getting us a copy of Gaylord Perry's card. Thanks so much
for all your help! The guy on the right is an avid Giants fan and the game would not be the same without Perry.
Jim in Berkeley
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Message #5644 Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:01 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Be A Manager league is up and running!

Hi Jim, thanks for the kind words! We'd like to see (and post) that pic of your league, but you'll have to
re-send it to us off-list [ send it to webmaster Butch -- Butch7999(at)aol.com ], since Yahoo Groups software
automatically strips all graphics (and any other attachments) from all messages sent to the Forum.
We look forward to that and to reading updates on results from your league!

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Jim Whitty" wrote:
<< Hi Butch, Below is a picture of our opening night at The Pub where we began a league using the
"Be a Manager" games we purchased on E-bay. We will play a 36 game season and are already
going to expand the league early in the new year. This could not have been possible without your help
in getting us a copy of Gaylord Perry's card. Thanks so much for all your help! The guy on the right is
an avid Giants fan and the game would not be the same without Perry.
>>
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Message #5645 Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:08 pm
"Bob Reynolds" <b.rain55(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Be A Manager league is up and running!

im extremely interested in joining. i've been looking for a set for 10 years to replace the one i lost. stay in touch.
bob

--- "Jim Whitty" wrote:
> ... we began a league using the "Be a Manager" games we purchased on E-bay. We will play
> a 36 game season and are already going to expand the league early in the new year. This could not have been
> possible without your help in getting us a copy of Gaylord Perry's card. Thanks so much for all your help! ...
>
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Message #5646 Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:16 pm
"RIQR" <riqr(at)tx.rr.com>
Re: Fantasy Baseball

i had replied to a posting by GregV for his dynasty league which turns out to be a rotisserie league.
i thought he had been advertising openings in a table top league using the dynasty league baseball game.
i think my email had gone directly to him and then i replied here in the yahoo group after i realized it was
a rotisserie league and not a tabletop replay.

now a little about my league. we currently don't have any openings, but some always open every year
as life gets in the way of our hobbies sometimes.

we play 60 games per year using the dynasty league baseball game. we use the board game,
but play over the internet using AIM chatrooms and their auto dice roller.

we have 16 teams in our league and are entering our 12th season. we use a faux $300 and have an auction
yearly with contracts lasting for three years plus options (true to DLB rules).

i'd love to get into or start (if there was enough interest) a retro 70s league now that designdepot has started
creating some 70's seasons. so far they've got 1970-1973. 74 is due out next year.

there was a 70s league a couple of years ago. i won the only season before the league folded due to some
unsavory folks that made life difficult before the second season ever got started.

anyway, enough about me. what other leagues are out there? doesn't have to be dynasty.
i probably wouldn't play in another type of league, but it's always cool to see how other leagues do their set ups
and what type of rules they have.
rick

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hi Rick, welcome to the group and thanks for your invitation! No confusion at this end regarding your initial post
> -- most everyone here has at least some familiarity with *Pursue the Pennant* / *Dynasty League* / ISB, and
> there are several avid players among the membership. This site and forum are not about rotisserie or fantasy
> baseball, however, but indeed about tabletop baseball games -- and while we visit and comment at a number
> of other forums, we've got no idea what posting of ours you're referring to! ...
>
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Message #5647 Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:00 am
"Dom" <NYAPBA(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Fantasy Baseball

Hi Rick,
I am the co-founder of the O.Z. League which is an APBA Baseball League now in its 28th season!

The genesis of the League all lived in Ozone Park, NY (hence the O.Z. name) when we began way back in 1982
and we were featured in the NY Daily News in 1988.

We are mostly a Face To Face League but do have a couple out of state players. We use the boards & dice version
of APBA along with the current season cards. We have a Winter Draft Meeting in January and a Summer Rules/
All Star Game Meeting in August.
Dom Provisiero

--- "RIQR" wrote:
> ... a little about my league. we currently don't have any openings, but some always open every year as life
> gets in the way of our hobbies sometimes. we play 60 games per year using the dynasty league baseball game.
> we use the board game, but play over the internet using AIM chatrooms and their auto dice roller.
> we have 16 teams in our league and are entering our 12th season. we use a faux $300 and have an auction yearly
> with contracts lasting for three years plus options (true to DLB rules).
> i'd love to get into or start (if there was enough interest) a retro 70s league now that designdepot has started
> creating some 70's seasons. so far they've got 1970-1973. 74 is due out next year.
> ... what other leagues are out there? doesn't have to be dynasty. i probably wouldn't play in another type of
> league, but it's always cool to see how other leagues do their set ups and what type of rules they have.
>
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Message #5648 Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:37 am
"Joe Harder" <professoratplay(at)gmail.com>
My league

I've been mostly a lurker, but thought I'd post about my fantasy leagues. My main one is a Strat-O-Matic league
with 11-teams, 50 man rosters, and no salaries. We play 6 game series against each of the other 10 franchises,
and a .500 or better record makes the playoffs.

My 2001 team is waiting to play in the World Series (we're really bad at getting playoffs done), and my 2008 team
is 20-19 this year. We get together once a year at the Four Seasons in Philly for our "blowout," but then play
whatever other games on the phone, or rarely, face to face. We use computers, not cards and dice, though that
was the origination of the league 30 years ago (I've been in for about twelve, I think). We've never successfully
played a NetPlay game, to my knowledge, so it's usually on the phone, with the visiting team manually inputting
the game in his computer while the home team plays it on his.

I also play in two keeper rotisserie type leagues, but those don't grab me nearly as much.
- Joe
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Message #5649 Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:13 pm
"chrisharrison355" <chrisharrison355(at)yahoo.com>
APBA Baseball game for sale

Hey guys, I never could get interested in APBA baseball, so I went ahead and put it up on Ebay.
Just search for APBA baseball 1969 and mine should come up. It has the '69 reprint set,
the game is the basic game, and the cards are near mint. Just wanted to let you guys know
in case anyone has any money left after shopping all month.
chris
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Message #5650 Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:47 am
"textraders" <rahenson1(at)hotmail.com>
Sherco clutch rating

Hello to all. As a new member I'd like to thank those in charge of the group. I particularly enjoyed the interview
with the Sherco founder. I am looking for help in understanding the Sherco clutch rating. My friend and I
have several teams. Some of the players have the rating. I've tried to figure out how they came to be so rated
without any luck. I tried looking at RISP and LIPS batting averages as compared to their overall average and
also their RBI in those situations as compared to their total RBI. In each case there were some guys who didn't fit
that were rated and others who I thought should fit who weren't rated. If anyone has the formula I would greatly
appreciate it. I believe I did figure out the HB rating as anyone with less than 150 PA (or BF for pitchers) per HBP.

Thanks again. I look forward to learning more about baseball games and meeting other baseball game enthusiasts.
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Message #5651 Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:40 pm
"alfonzos" <AlfonzoS(at)aol.com>
Strat-o-matic in Los Angeles Times

Today's Sports section found room for two articles about Strat-o-matic baseball.
Here's the first one:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-str ... 8798.story

and a link to the second one:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-str ... 4875.story
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Message #5652 Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:48 am
"Joe Harder" <professoratplay(at)gmail.com>
Strat in LA Times

Alfonzos,
Thanks for these links! Always good to see Strat in the news. So that's Keith Hernandez
added to Doug Glanville as former pros into Strat...

My main Strat activity is managing my team in an 11-team dynasty league using current players
(my stars are Pedroia, Tulowitzki, Lind, Werth, Beltran, Kung Fu Panda, and Joe Nathan...anyone got
any starting pitching?). With a record of 23-27 so far in my 60 game season, I'm looking at drafting well
next year...

As a separate project, my ten year old son and I drafted up teams from the 1971 season (Aaron, Stargell,
Bonds, Jackson, Gibson, Palmer, Perry, Marichal, Jenkins), and then I filled in the rest of the 16 team
"Cretaceous League" with the remaining players. 1971 is one of Strat's recently re-released seasons,
where they include more than just the basic game ratings (including, for instance, lefty/righty splits),
and 1971 was when I really started paying attention to baseball (Giants and A's both won their divisions,
and I was 11).

Theoretically, our two superstar teams should dominate, but there are a couple of other solid teams, too,
about a third of the way through our leisurely-played season (he's not that into it).

Strat's not perfect, and the technological issues with the computer game and NetPlay are sometimes
comical, but it sure beats all the ones I played growing up for accuracy and strategic interest.

Gil Hodges' Pennant Fever (cards, charts, dice) was my first, and over time I collected All-Star Baseball
(discs), CalcuBall, and Statis-Pro, but not Extra Innings, Sherco, APBA, Sports Illustrated Superstar
baseball,
or Big League Manager, among other major games. In high school, without knowing that
APBA had a computer game brewing, a high school math teacher and I tried to design the ultimate computer
baseball game, and after we mapped out all the different pre-game and in game decisions and contingent
outcomes, he ran across APBA's new computer game...ah, well.

I had an early computer game called MicroLeague baseball, and I remember setting up the 1989 World Series
between the A's and the Giants, seeing if without the earthquake-warranted interruption the Giants would fare
better...they didn't. My MacPlus with an external 30 MB hard drive strained under the load of the number of times
I replayed the series trying to get my beloved Giants to win...

But finding Strat and the league I'm in (which is 30 years old), beginning with the 1996 card set,
has set me solidly into the Strat hobbyist camp.

As a separate issue, any of you ever read "The Universal Baseball Association: J. Henry Waugh, Proprietor?"
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Message #5653 Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:28 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Sherco clutch rating

Howdy Tex, welcome to the group and thanks for your question -- and thanks, too, for the kind words!
We here in the front office haven't a clue, though -- sorry -- as to how those Sherco clutch ratings
are calculated. Sherco creator Dr Steve LeShay, as well as Dave Parsons, who was distributing
the current *Sherco's Grand Slam* version of the game (and updating the stats?), both remain members
of this group, and they'd be the guys to provide a real answer, but we haven't heard a word from either of them
in ages. Maybe one of the other members on board has deconstructed the game and figured out the formula.
Fellers? Anybody?

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "textraders" wrote:
<< Hello to all. As a new member I'd like to thank those in charge of the group. I particularly enjoyed the interview
with the Sherco founder. I am looking for help in understanding the Sherco clutch rating. My friend and I
have several teams. Some of the players have the rating. I've tried to figure out how they came to be so rated
without any luck.... If anyone has the formula I would greatly appreciate it....
Thanks again. I look forward to learning more about baseball games and meeting other baseball game enthusiasts.
>>
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Message #5654 Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:29 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Strat-o-matic in Los Angeles Times

Hi Alfonzo -- yes, thanks for the heads-up!
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "alfonzos" wrote:
<< Today's Sports section found room for two articles about Strat-o-matic baseball.
Here's the first one:
http://snipurl.com/tsy47
and a link to the second one:
http://snipurl.com/tsy3w
>>
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Message #5655 Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:57 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Strat, other games, and the UBA (was: Re: Strat in LA Times)

Hiya Joe, welcome to the Forum, and thanks for the news and reminiscences in both your posts!
For now, we'll address just one of your comments: suffice it to say that here in the front office, there's no question
that "UBA" ranks among the top two English-language novels of the 20th century (one of us ranks Heller's "Catch-22"
even with or just ahead of it, the other two guys rate them 1 and 2). We count ourselves hugely fortunate
to have met and spoken with Robert Coover.

B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Joe Harder" wrote:
<< Alfonzos, Thanks for these links! Always good to see Strat in the news....
My main Strat activity is managing my team in an 11-team dynasty league using current players...
...
As a separate issue, any of you ever read "The Universal Baseball Association: J. Henry Waugh, Proprietor?"
>>
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Message #5656 Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:45 pm
"curt young" <curtyoung13(at)hotmail.com>
Strat in LA Times

dr h:
very interesting post. i suspect hernandez and glanville r only the tip of the iceberg.
i have the SI pennant race covering the 1972 [strike shortened] season, so m familiar with a lot of the guys
u r using. u might want 2 get away from such an all-star team next project, as i found myself shying away from
n e strategy plays when using SI's all-time all-star, but a mgr NEEDED some small ball 2 grease the offense
using real team rosters in 1972. if your season ever ends, i hope u will post the final standings.

i have been looking 4 the coover book "UBA: JHW, prop" 4 many years. i read an excerpt in a baseball anthology
[charles einstein's?] and cannot find it in either of 3 library systems covering 4 upstate NY counties and 1 in NC.
i would b surprised if the rpi library did not have it, though. that campus is so weird that i once found a sheet of
oddball situations generated by dice rolls from some1 inventing his own baseball game. can u imagine that?
what a knurd!

it sounds as if u lean toward the left coast. u might b 1 of the few in this group who can recall the As lefthanded
starter who did not get 2 pitch in that loma prieta series because of the delay.

hey, jayson werth played in syracuse a few years ago with the chiefs. r u playing with L/R splits?
if so, how extreme r his?
curt young
chittenango NY
kannapolis NC

--- "professoratplay" wrote:
> ... Thanks for these links! Always good to see Strat in the news. So that's Keith Hernandez added to
> Doug Glanville as former pros into Strat...
> My main Strat activity is managing my team in an 11-team dynasty league using current players
> (my stars are Pedroia, Tulowitzki, Lind, Werth, Beltran, Kung Fu Panda, and Joe Nathan...anyone got
> any starting pitching?)....
> As a separate project, my ten year old son and I drafted up teams from the 1971 season... and then I filled in
> the rest of the 16 team "Cretaceous League" with the remaining players. 1971 is one of Strat's recently
> re-released seasons, where they include more than just the basic game ratings (including, for instance,
> lefty/righty splits), and 1971 was when I really started paying attention to baseball (Giants and A's both
> won their divisions, and I was 11).
> Theoretically, our two superstar teams should dominate, but there are a couple of other solid teams, too,
> about a third of the way through our leisurely-played season (he's not that into it). Strat's not perfect, and
> the technological issues with the computer game and NetPlay are sometimes comical, but it sure beats
> all the ones I played growing up for accuracy and strategic interest....
> I had an early computer game called MicroLeague baseball, and I remember setting up the 1989 World Series
> between the A's and the Giants, seeing if without the earthquake-warranted interruption the Giants would fare
> better...they didn't. My MacPlus with an external 30 MB hard drive strained under the load of the number of times
> I replayed the series trying to get my beloved Giants to win...
> ...
> As a separate issue, any of you ever read "The Universal Baseball Association: J. Henry Waugh, Proprietor?"
>
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Message #5657 Fri Dec 25, 2009 1:08 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Holiday greetings

To all our Forum members from your front-office crew,
our best wishes to you and yours for a merry Christmas, a happy holiday season, and a fine and healthy New Year!

Butch, Kerm, & Win
Baseball Games
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
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Message #5658 Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:55 pm
"jacques chabot" <chabot65(at)hotmail.com> chabot652002
Re: Holiday greetings

Hi Butch, Kerm and Win,
Best wishes to you also and thanks for your work on this great and unique forum!

Merry Christmas also to every member of the forum.
Jacques
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Message #5659 Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:19 am
"jnonyy" <jnonyy(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Throwback Baseball Alternative System

Good Morning Ken and the group,
I actually did try out something similar last night by incorporating your idea into a fast-action style deck
to enhance the batter-pitcher confrontation. What I did was take your idea below into Great Pitch, Good Pitch
and No change, and Great Swing, Good Swing, No change and assigned them each values like you did below.
Great Pitch/Great Swing were worth 2, Good Pitch and Good Swing was worth 1 and No change did not change
the numbers.

for example, let's say Steve Carlton rated 1 is facing Reggie Jackson, rated a 4. Normally you would read
on Key # 3. but then you pull a card that is good pitch, and now you would read on Key # 4. If you would pull
Great Swing, you would read on the highest rated key, Key # 1.

I am interested if you think I am off base or how I can tweak my idea. Looking forward to hearing from you.
-JRN

--- "kekasell" wrote:
> Alternative Use of Throwback Baseball 1.0
> Result Keys
> After purchasing this game, I wanted to do something else with the game's result keys (which constitutes
> the core of this game) than what the developer's originally suggest. So after fooling with the game's result keys,
> I think I devised an alternative means to use the result keys than just simply assigning player ratings.
> In the original format, players are given a global rating: 1-3 for pitchers (with 1 being good, 2 being avg. and
> 3 being poor) and 4 to 6 to batters (with 4 being good, 5 avg. and 6 poor). You basically subtract pitcher quality
> from batter quality and the number obtained determines which result keys (from 1-5) you read the play outcome
> from. As I stated in my review, the result keys are quite realistic, varied and offers a lot of potential play
> outcomes. In examining the keys more closely...
> ...
> As I said in my review, this is an introductory game, and is an excellent way to introduce someone to
> do joys of tabletop sports gaming. By interjecting this pitcher/batter dynamic, I believe it makes an already
> good game better. There is still an element of luck involved with the dice rolls, but if you play your cards right,
> you should hedge your bets. Now you can see how good you will be as a pitcher or a batter.
> Well, I'm off to play test some more! I will be sending a copy of this idea to the game's developers to
> see what they think.
>
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Message #5660 Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:16 pm
"Ken" <kekasell(at)q.com>
Re: Throwback Baseball Alternative System

This idea sounds good and is exactly what I wanted to accomplish with this game. I wanted to add more variety
into the game - especially in regards to what key the outcome result is read from - and to do that by enhancing
the pitcher/batter interaction. I wanted the pitcher/batter interaction as well as player quality to determine
the batting key, not just player quality alone. Sounds like you are heading in that direction. Keep up the good work.

I also discovered another baseball game that is very similar to Throwback Baseball and is called
Fall Classic Baseball. It is available for a free download from Jeff Downey's web-site Tabletop Sports.
If you like Throwback Baseball, you will also like Fall Classic Baseball. I think it has a little more
strategic depth to it than Throwback Baseball. You can creat players with specfic tendencies, and I think
there is a more realistic variety to the outcomes. Take a look at the game and tell me what you think.
Otherwise, keep those excellent ideas with Throwback Baseball coming.
Ken

--- "jnonyy" wrote:
> Good Morning Ken and the group, I actually did try out something similar last night by incorporating your idea
> into a fast-action style deck to enhance the batter-pitcher confrontation. What I did was take your idea below
> into Great Pitch, Good Pitch and No change, and Great Swing, Good Swing, No change and assigned them each
> values like you did below....
> for example....
> I am interested if you think I am off base or how I can tweak my idea. Looking forward to hearing from you.
>
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