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BASEBALLGAMES FORUM 2009 April, Messages 5216 - 5264
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Message #5216
Wed Apr 1, 2009 12:23 pm
"kekasell" <kekasell(at)q.com>
Throwback Baseball Alternative System
Alternative Use of Throwback Baseball 1.0 Result Keys

After purchasing this game, I wanted to do something else with the game's result keys (which constitutes
the core of this game) than what the developer's originally suggest. So after fooling with the game's result keys,
I think I devised an alternative means to use the result keys than just simply assigning player ratings.
In the original format, players are given a global rating: 1-3 for pitchers (with 1 being good, 2 being avg. and
3 being poor) and 4 to 6 to batters (with 4 being good, 5 avg. and 6 poor). You basically subtract pitcher quality
from batter quality and the number obtained determines which result keys (from 1-5) you read the play outcome
from. As I stated in my review, the result keys are quite realistic, varied and offers a lot of potential play outcomes.

In examining the keys more closely, Key #3 is average and does not favor either the batter nor the pitcher.
Keys #1-2 favor the batter while Key's # 5-6 favor the pitcher. I wanted to devise a system not dependent on
batter quality but upon a pitcher/batter interaction, where a card played by the pitcher and a card played by
the batter would determine which result key the play outcome would come from. After ruminating on this for awhile,
the answer then stared me right in the face... modify the steal system and the colored cards provided.

As I stated in the review, the steal system is quite innovative. Players are assigned a particular color based on
their baserunning speed. Red was slow, yellow was average, and green was fast. There are also blue cards which
are considered "wild." These cards can be any color you want. There are 20 cards in all. When wanting to steal
from first to second, you draw a card, and if the color matches the baserunner's color, he is safe. If not, he is out.
Obviously, there are more green cards than red and yellow and blue cards, and obviously more yellow cards than
red and blue. So I decided to take this innovative system and modify it to reflect a batter/pitcher interaction.
In doing so, I think I found my sytem; and I believe this system better utilizes the result keys (which are quite
good) and adds more interest and strategic depth to this game.

In using the same numbered system employed to determine player ratings, I just assign these rating numbers
to the various colored cards.

For pitching:

Red Cards are considered a "Power Pitch" and get assigned the 1 rating.
Yellow cards are considered a "Good Pitch" and get assigned the 2 rating
Green cards are considered an "Average Pitch" and get assigned the 3 rating
Blue cards are considered "Clutch" and are played in addition to the other colored cards and either add or subtract 1,
depending if you play them while pitching or while batting; or if it is the only card left in your hand , it can be
any color of your choosing.

For batting:

Red cards are considered a "Great Swing" and receives the 4 rating
Yellow cards are considered a "Good Swing" and receives the 5 rating
Green cards are considered an "Average Swing" and receives the 6 rating
Like pitching, blue cards are considered "Clutch" and, when played with another colored card, will either add or
subtract 1, usually adding one if batting or subtracting one if pitching.

Play Dynamics (still in revision):

Borrowing play dynamics from Pizza Box Baseball, two sets of these colored "steal" cards will be printed up
for a total of 40 cards. More cards can be printed up, and I'm still tinkering with the exact number. Anyways ,
these 40 cards will be shuffled and used as a common deck. At the start of every inning, the deck is shuffled,
and 10 cards (this number is still open for revision) are dealt to each player. This will constitute his "hand"
for the entire inning (both batting and pitching). At each at bat, the players will play a colored card, one for
the pitcher and one for the batter. The numbers representing these cards are then compared, just like the
original mechanism of comparing batter and pitcher quality, to determine a "key" number. This number will
then determine which key the play result will be read from.

At the conclusion of an inning, all the cards are reshuffled and the player's hand it is put back up to 10.
If the player has any cards left over in his hand, he is permitted to keep two. Then he draws from the deck
to get his hand back up to 10. If, during the course of an inning, a player runs out of cards, he is permitted
to "dig deep" by picking three cards when pitching and one card if batting. But he cannot use the clutch card.
If drawn, the clutch card becomes a red card for batting and a green card for pitching. This "digging deep"
continues until the inning is over.

For solo play, you could simply just draw a single card from the deck, one at a time as your "opponent." .

Again, I still need to play test and experiment with the total number of cards in the deck and the number of
total cards which constitutes a hand during an inning. I may have to increase that number, but 10 is at least
a good starting point . .

Anyways, I think this play mechanism interjects much more strategy into this game, and utilizes the excellent
play result keys much better. Each at bat can now have a different key determine the outcome - completely
dependent on the pitcher/batter interaction. The player also has to manage his hand and determine which cards
to use in which situation. Do I use my good cards for hitting or for pitching? When do I play that clutch card?
Do I save all my good cards for later in the game? The fact that the cards can be used for both pitching and
for hitting also adds a twist.

As I said in my review, this is an introductory game, and is an excellent way to introduce someone to do joys of
tabletop sports gaming. By interjecting this pitcher/batter dynamic, I believe it makes an already good game better.
There is still an element of luck involved with the dice rolls, but if you play your cards right, you should hedge your
bets. Now you can see how good you will be as a pitcher or a batter. Well, I'm off to play test some more!
I will be sending a copy of this idea to the game's developers to see what they think.
Ken Sell
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Message #5217 Sat Apr 4, 2009 7:52 am
"Bob" <rgfray(at)yahoo.com>
Realstat Baseball - 2008 Cards are ready
I have finished the Player cards for Realstat Baseball - 2008 season. 1927 will be done soon.
I have uploaded sample Batting and Pitching cards on my Yahoo Group. - see my website for the link
http://www.BobFray.com
Bob Fray
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Message #5218 Sat Apr 4, 2009 2:11 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: 1936 S & S Game Cards
BJ, that sounds like a fun and worthwhile project!
Once you've got a few done, let us know and send along a scan or two so we can post 'em here.

By the way, Robert Edward Auctions [ http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/ ] has two full sets of
*The National Game* cards among their current offerings (lot #s 544 and 548 -- just the cards,
no boxes nor other pieces). Start gathering up your nickels now!
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "BJ George" wrote:
> ... I wish I did own the game. I was thinking of typing up a set and adding today's players.
> Just for the fun of it. Thanks for the info.
>
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Message #5219 Mon Apr 6, 2009 6:48 am
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Baseballgames update, 4-05-09
Hiya fellers!
Time once again for that hallowed rite of spring -- and we don't mean federal tax return time! We've arrived at
the opening of another new baseball season -- and it's time, too, for the somewhat less eagerly anticipated
April edition of the monthly state-of-the-website address. And we're also greeting the imminent arrival of spring,
even as the front-office crew contends with some unexpected snow-shovelling chores, by at long last hanging
a new image on our Forum's front page. That's right, after five months we've put our hokey homemade Baseball
Games logo back in the drawer, at least for a little while, and now gracing the front page instead is one of the
oldest and most important games in the hobby -- *Our National Ball Game,* the 1886-87 number by McGill & Delany.
For anyone on board who doesn't know, it's really the great-great-granddaddy of every modern dice-driven
baseball game.

We'll also note that, incredible as it seems, membership here in the group actually reached the magic one thousand
mark in March -- just a few weeks, in fact, after our fifth anniversary on-line, which we reached shortly after the
5,000th message was posted in the Forum. We've said it before, but when we put this thing up on the interweb
five years ago, we never expected we'd attract more than about fifty members nor have to handle more than a
couple of messages a month. Our humble thanks to everyone who's signed on, frequent participants and shy lurkers
both -- and our thanks especially to the many members who've contributed so much information about the details
and histories of so many different games made and played over the last 140 years. We're grateful, too, for the
marvelous cordiality and generosity you guys have exhibited when so many other forums often become rancorous.
Thanks one and all!

Appropriate, then, before we get to what little other news there is to report in this edition of the Update,
that we greet the new members who signed on in March. Let's extend a warm welcome to nahid.hyat, leewykes,
albert62old, markwayne61, jptreeman, dicebaseball2k, cb8808, ecsgolf14, robfrontpage, wrc37kqw, chuck5452,
lynnvin2001, bj_buffalo_games, jimmymars, joekingsmill, matt19562000, aakmal_kh1988, and billw1975.
Glad to have all of you on board! If you haven't yet done so, please do familiarize yourselves with our Forum Policy
before you post [ http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/ForumPolicy.htm ] -- then take a few minutes and
browse the searchable Message archives, Files, Links, and Photo albums, and of course our home site and the
features there [ http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/ ]. Stick around, say hi, let us know how you found us
(seriously!), and don't hesitate to chime in with whatever questions, comments, or news that you might have!

We'll mention that those Message archives, which, like those on many hundreds of other Yahoo Groups, were in fact
*not* searchable since around New Year's, have at last become functional again just this past week. If you run into
any problems while trying to use that feature, though, let us know, and please report it to Yahoo Help as well.

We've also made a little breakthrough in finally accessing the information we need to post that new feature to which
we've been coyly alluding for a couple of months. Our worry now is that our repeated promises over those months
that we'd have that on-line "soon" have puffed up other folks' expectations for the thing and it'll be a big let-down
once it's complete and available. So don't get all worked up! It's just another little pictorial essay. But we do hope
to have it on-line before the next Update.

Lastly, our routine but always relevant advisory here, yet again, to both newcomers and veteran members of the
group -- please do make sure your Yahoo membership has you registered / subscribed with a currently active
e-mail address. We do occasionally check for and eliminate memberships with an inert or disconnected e-mail
address -- and for some reason, that's the status of a number of folks who've joined in just the last few months.
If you're signed in that way, we have to assume you're no longer really on board, and, regrettably, your membership
will be deleted. So please do keep your status active, fellers -- just click on that "Edit Membership" link above the
Forum title if you're no longer using the e-mail address you registered when you joined, or if you need to update
anything else about your membership. Our thanks to those guys who've heeded that simple advisory and have
recently adjusted their memberships.

We always welcome a Show 'n Tell presentation from you guys, so if you've recently acquired some interesting
vintage tabletop baseball game you'd like to show off and talk about, then please, by all means, be our guest --
you can post a photo of it in the "Wha'd Ya Get?" album in our Photos section. We're always hopeful that someone
can help us polish off the remaining enigmas in the "Mystery Games" folder of our Photos section, too -- if you
care to look in over there, know that #s 3, 4, 6, 8, and 9 have been solved, but we're still looking for additional
information on #s 1 and 2, and #s 5 and 7 still elude identification. Help out, if you can.

Let's keep up the chatter, boys!
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
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Message #5220 Tue Apr 7, 2009 6:02 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
League Parlor Base Ball and Our National Ball Game
Hi again, fellers! Our reference in the recent "website update" post to the ancient game whose image freshly graces
the Forum's front page -- *Our National Ball Game* -- elicited a cordial challenge from a member in an off-list
message. We called that 1886-87 number by McGill & Delany "the great-great-granddaddy of every modern
dice-driven baseball game." How, our correspondent asked, does it trump *League Parlor Base Ball* by R Bliss Mfg
for that honor, considering that the dice-driven Bliss game was produced in 1884?

Certainly a fair question, and our loose-lipped opinions shouldn't stand as unchallenged fact, especially for
newcomers to the hobby who may be unacquainted with many of the 19th-century games. No argument whatsoever
that the Bliss *League Parlor Base Ball* was the first-ever tabletop baseball game to employ dice for its results.
Like most of the few other 19th-century boardgames that used dice, however, it simply totalled the spots --
2 to 12 -- for results. *Our National Ball Game,* on the other hand, was the first baseball game -- maybe the first
boardgame ever -- to have each of the individual combinations from a pair of dice stand for a different result.
That little advancement in complexity is the foundation for almost every dice baseball game that followed, including
countless "folk-game" and "home-brew" versions of dice baseball. Still just opining, but if *Our National Ball Game*
is the great-great-granddaddy, maybe *League Parlor* could stand as the great-great-*great*-granddaddy. Or
the great-great-granduncle. Or *Our National Ball Game* might be the first home sapien version of dice baseball,
and *League Parlor* the Cro-Magnon. Or *Our National Ball Game* the Cro-Magnon and *League Parlor* the
homo erectus. Pick your own analogy!

An, er, "interesting" auction, incidentally, just concluded Sunday for what looked like a pretty nice sample of just
the playing board for the second and more elaborately illustrated edition of *League Parlor,* which you can still see
here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0325905038
Loads of yellow flags on that offering, which undoubtedly kept many potential bidders at bay and held down
the final price substantially.
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
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Message #5221 Tue Apr 7, 2009 9:08 pm
"(WD0MR) Mark Reger" <regerm(at)windstream.net> lambeau_us
SOM baseball question
I have a question regarding the super advanced fielding chart ....
On the symbols chart, what does the word "right" mean...
An example is... Under G3, infield normal and runner on 2nd...
Please help
Mark
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Message #5222 Wed Apr 8, 2009 8:11 pm
"BJ George" <bj_buffalo_games(at)yahoo.com>
Strat-O-Matic Card Dealers
Is there a source (other than eBay) to purchase out of print Start-O-Matic baseball team cards?
Thanks,
B.J.
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Message #5223 Wed Apr 8, 2009 9:52 pm
"Ralph Bean" <reviewboy1(at)yahoo.com>
Re: SOM baseball question
Hi Mark -
Are you asking:
1. how do I resolve this at bat?
or
2. what is the intuitive meaning of the word "right" in this case
(in other words, why did Strat choose the word "right")?

--- "(WD0MR) Mark Reger" wrote:
> I have a question regarding the super advanced fielding chart .... On the symbols chart, what does the word
> "right" mean... An example is... Under G3, infield normal and runner on 2nd... Please help
>
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Message #5224 Wed Apr 8, 2009 11:50 pm
"Ralph Bean" <reviewboy1(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Strat-O-Matic Card Dealers
Try
http://cards.somworld.com/
and
http://forums.delphiforums.com/som/start

--- "BJ George" wrote:
> Is there a source (other than eBay) to purchase out of print Start-O-Matic baseball team cards? Thanks...
>
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Message #5225 Wed Apr 8, 2009 11:54 pm
"Paul Sauberer" <paul.sauberer(at)gmail.com> psauberer
Re: Strat-O-Matic Card Dealers
Chris Rosen has been the premier SOM card dealer for years.
http://cards.somworld.com/

Paul Sauberer

--- "BJ George" wrote:
> Is there a source (other than eBay) to purchase out of print Start-O-Matic baseball team cards? Thanks...
>
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Message #5226 Thu Apr 9, 2009 7:03 am
"erfurman" <erfurman(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Strat-O-Matic Card Dealers
I think it's against forum rules to use the forum for sales but I'm thinking that since you asked it will be okay
to mention that I sell a variety of vintage sports games (with a large selection of out of print SOM sets).
The site is spookyshobbyshop.com . If there is a particular set you are looking for that is not listed
just drop me an email. I may have it in stock but haven't gotten around to listing it yet.
My apologizes in advance if this post is inappropriate.
Eric
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Message #5227 Thu Apr 9, 2009 7:52 am
"Jerome, David R." <David.Jerome(at)us.ngrid.com>
Re: Strat-O-Matic Card Dealers
bj,
try toylandbay(at)aol.com
the guys name is steve.
david

--- "BJ George" wrote:
> Is there a source (other than eBay) to purchase out of print Start-O-Matic baseball team cards? Thanks...
>
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Message #5228 Thu Apr 9, 2009 3:14 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Advertising in Forum (was: Re: Strat-O-Matic Card Dealers)
Hi Eric, prudent and polite of you to ask, and indeed there are rules *restricting* sales and ads -- but
not barring them altogether. You're safely well past the "probationary period!"
Thanks for asking, though, and it gives us another excuse to mention this advisory:
New guys, the guidelines for selling and advertising here (and for forum comportment in general) are at
http://baseballgames.dreamhosters.com/Forumpolicy.htm
-- and can also be found in the Files section of the forum itself.
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "erfurman" wrote:
<< I think it's against forum rules to use the forum for sales but I'm thinking that since you asked....
>>
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Message #5229 Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:07 pm
"tws32" <smithtc(at)comcast.net>
Topps Attax
Has anyone played the Topps Attax baseball game?
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Message #5230 Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:55 pm
"Ralph Bean" <reviewboy1(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Topps Attax
I haven't played it, but this looks like a good review of the game:
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/394772

--- "tws32" wrote:
> Has anyone played the Topps Attax baseball game?
>
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Message #5231 Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:22 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Stats Q: score from 3rd on GO to 3rd
Hiya fellers! Ridiculously quiet in here. Was it something we said? Something we didn't say?

We'll take advantage of this grotesque lull in conversation to ask if anybody on board has MLB stats
for score/hold/put out at 3rd when batter hits grounder to 3rd baseman with runner on 3rd only.
Any full-season totals from any one post-War season will do as a sample. We expect these figures are in
the Lehman database, but we're unable to extract them from that source. Thanks for any assistance!
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/
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Message #5232 Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:23 pm
"Carlos Barrera" <Barraug(at)aol.com>
Re: Making Cards for Strat-O-Matic
If you google "Bruce Bundy" in the Strat-o-matic world you'll send he has written extensively
on formulas to create cards.

As far as an excel template to create cards, the company comes down like a hammer on those who create these.
There is an excel of certain cards on http://www.tabletop.sports.com in the STRAT Baseball folder.

--- "BJ George" wrote:
> Is there info on how to make your own player cards for Strat-O-Matic? Or maybe an Excel template
> that will create cards automatically when you enter stats? Thanks...
>
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Message #5233 Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:46 pm
"dogpoundal62" <dogpoundal62(at)yahoo.com>
table top game
I am desperately trying to find MLB Approved by Little League for Little Leaguers. Any ideas?
Thanks
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Message #5234 Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:39 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Baseball Approved by Little League (was: Re: table top game)
Howdy Al, welcome to the forum and thanks for your question! Milton Bradley's 1958 *Baseball Approved by
Little League
...* was most recently a topic of discussion here just a few weeks ago, so you might want to look at
the posts from late March for some additional information. In any case, you shouldn't need too much patience
before an example shows up again on eBay, where the game is routinely offered. That is by far your most likely
source for it, and because it appears there so frequently, you can afford to bypass the first one you see
if it's in poor condition or overpriced. A better deal will be along soon. Good luck with your search!
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "dogpoundal62" wrote:
<< I am desperately trying to find MLB Approved by Little League for Little Leaguers. Any ideas? Thanks
>>
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Message #5235 Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:33 pm
"Rick Hargraves" <rickh6(at)charter.net> wordman6611
Re: table top game
Not MLB approved -- what is -- but if you're looking for a tabletop game rather than a video game,
try Jeff Downey's The Baseball Game. Super Simple; Super Good. They get to rate their own - but easily.
Really cool game!

Check Downey Games.
Rick

--- "dogpoundal62" wrote:
> I am desperately trying to find MLB Approved by Little League for Little Leaguers. Any ideas? Thanks
>
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Message #5236 Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:07 pm
"Rick Teverbaugh" <rickert46015(at)yahoo.com>
Re: table top game
I believe it is called The Baseball Card Game and it is very good.
Rick T.

--- "Rick Hargraves" wrote:
> Not MLB approved -- what is -- but if you're looking for a tabletop game rather than a video game,
> try Jeff Downey's The Baseball Game.... Really cool game! Check Downey Games.
>
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Message #5237 Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:18 pm
"Herb Levy" <gamers(at)pipeline.com> gamers88
Re: table top game
Contact me off list. I have a copy available.
-- Herb
gamers(at)gamersalliance.com

--- "dogpoundal62" wrote:
> I am desperately trying to find MLB Approved by Little League for Little Leaguers. Any ideas? Thanks
>
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Message #5238 Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:54 am
"Larry" <swimlarry(at)yahoo.com>
Looking for Boyhood Baseball Game PLEASE HELP ME
I played a baseball board game from the early 50's until about 1962. Went to college and then was in Uncle Sam's
Army from 66 to 69. While I was 8,000 miles away My Mom decided to heave out my baseball cards along with
this game I played day after day after day while growing up. Can you please help me ID it and also then find it.

I should recall more but I will give you what I remember. The game was either a spinner or card game, I think.
I believe it had a board that had two creases and therefore folded into one from 3 parts. Game had the infield,
outfield and scoreboard I think. A key is the score board had like 10 innings and runs, hits and errors that you
filled up with hard paper 1/4" small numbers that were from 0 to 9.

The game was extremely realistic. You could play one game and it might be a slugfest 12 to 7 followed by
a pitchers battle 2 to 1 or something in between. I think the outfield may have had a key that told you
what the player did based on a card or spinner. Why I can't remember which it was shows you how forgetful
one can get. I am sorry I can't describe it any better.

The key description I am leaving with you is the scoreboard with numbers that you used to fill it out.
The game was from the 40's or early 50's. I was playing it NLT than the early 50's.

Thank-You so much for reading my desperate plea for help.
Larry
Swimlarry(at)yahoo.com
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Message #5239 Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:36 am
"dogpoundal62" <dogpoundal62(at)yahoo.com>
Re: Baseball Approved by Little League (was: game)
I haven't seen it on ebay yet, am I possibly looking in the wrong place on ebay?
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Message #5240 Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:36 am
"Larry" <swimlarry(at)yahoo.com>
How do I get a posting to POST?
I wrote two messages early this morning, one a general one, one to a specific person. Neither shows on this
message board. What can I do? I am trying to locate a baseball board game from my youth to give to
my grandsons before I am no longer around. I have been looking off and on for 40 years and do not think
I have another 40.
Thanks!
Larry
Swimlarry(at)yahoo.com
Swimlarry(at)aol.com
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Message #5241 Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:46 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Looking for Boyhood Baseball Game PLEASE HELP ME
Hi there Larry, welcome to the group and thanks for your questions! Pardon the delay, but to your second question
first -- messages do not post automatically and immediately to this forum. It's moderated by humans, or
semi-humans anyway, who may or may not be in the vicinity of a computer at any given moment to notice, edit,
approve, and post any messages sent here. Sometimes messages go up almost right away if one of us here
in the front office happens to be at a computer, sometimes it takes the better part of a day. We do try to
get to everything within 24 hours, though, let alone forty years.

Now then, to your first question, "please help identify this game" is always one of our favorite questions, and
we're always extra eager to try and help out a vet. We can assure you that you have come to the right place
to ask. However, you do not give us much to go on with this one, so unless one or more of the many other
knowlegeable members on board recognizes something absolutely diagnostic in your description, we'll probably
need several days' worth of research to find a match for what you've described -- especially as the front office
is shorthanded this week (also the reason for the delay in your messages being posted). Kindly do not get
frustrated -- we're good at this and we're positive we can provide an answer for you. Do you recall anything
at all about the design or graphics of the game box? An image, even a predominant color scheme?
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Larry" wrote:
<< I played a baseball board game from the early 50's until about 1962. Went to college and then was in
Uncle Sam's Army from 66 to 69. While I was 8,000 miles away My Mom decided to heave out my baseball cards
along with this game I played day after day after day while growing up. Can you please help me ID it and also
then find it....
I should recall more but I will give you what I remember. The game was either a spinner or card game, I think.
I believe it had a board that had two creases and therefore folded into one from 3 parts.... The key description
I am leaving with you is the scoreboard with numbers that you used to fill it out. The game was from the 40's
or early 50's. I was playing it NLT than the early 50's. Thank-You so much for reading my desperate plea for help.
>>

<< I wrote two messages early this morning.... Neither shows on this message board. What can I do? I am
trying to locate a baseball board game from my youth to give to my grandsons before I am no longer around.
I have been looking off and on for 40 years and do not think I have another 40. Thanks! >>
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Message #5243 Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:42 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Baseball Approved by Little League (was: game)
Herb, thanks very much for offering to help Al in his search!

Al, did you connect with Herb, or are you still looking on eBay? Can't guarantee there'll be a sample of *Baseball
Approved by Little League* available there today or at any given moment, but for sure one should be at auction
within the next few weeks at most. Just enter something like "antique baseball game" or "baseball board game"
(without the quotation marks) as your search term on eBay, and you'll get several hundred results through which
you can browse quickly.
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "dogpoundal62" wrote:
<< I haven't seen it on ebay yet, am I possibly looking in the wrong place on ebay?
>>

--- "Herb Levy" wrote:
<< Contact me off list. I have a copy available.
gamers(at)gamersalliance.com
>>
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Message #5244 Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:46 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Looking for Boyhood Baseball Game PLEASE HELP ME
Hey there Larry, how ya doin'. Still looking in and waiting for an answer? We're all back in the front office now
with a chance to put our tiny pointed heads together and to see if we can nail down your game. As we suggested
in our previous response, though, you haven't given us a lot to go on, so we'll just take a few shots in the dark here
and ask you to help us help you.

If it reassures you at all, we can tell you that we've catalogued almost every tabletop baseball game ever made,
going back to the 1860s, which means over a thousand different games (and a lot more than that, depending on
your criteria for "different"). What you've told us so far -- and as you freely admit, your recollection of the game
is somewhat vague, so we're not taking any of the details as gospel -- is that it was a card or spinner game
produced before the mid-'50s, probably with a trifold playing board, and with little numbers for the scoreboard.
So we've limited our initial search to card and spinner games made between 1940 and 1954, ruling out dice games,
action games, electrical games, and so forth. We'll also start by assuming you would have remembered a player
endorsement, so we'll omit several games that featured Mickey Mantle, Jackie Robinson, or other stars in the title
and on the box.

That said, we wish you were more definite about the trifold board, which is an unusual feature and not often seen
in games produced after the 1930s. We have to tell you that we could not come up with a 1940-1954 game that
features both a trifold board *and* any of the other details you've provided. We're wondering if perhaps your game
had a bifold (or even non-folding) board but did feature a separate scoreboard, and maybe that's what you're
remembering. A quick guess based on that supposition might be *Ethan Allen's All-Star Baseball* by Cadaco,
which started production in 1941, and, appearing with several slightly different versions of the title, was an annual
offering until 1994. It didn't have scoreboard number chips, but it did have a separate stand-up scoreboard that
used dials to adjust the totals. Do you recall circular player-cards that were slid into a spinner, with numerals
around the perimeter of the cards determining the result of each play? It would be nice if that were your game --
it's still easily available and there's a whole group of "ASB" fans devoted to it.

Since the scoreboard chips are most vivid in your memory, we'll turn now to games that featured such a thing.
This detail actually first put us in mind of *Official Radio Baseball Game,* a 1939 product of Toy Creations. It was
reissued in the early 1940s as *Pro-Baseball Game,* then the rights were sold to Pressman, who repackaged it,
still in the '40s, as *Broadcast Baseball.* All three largely identical versions prominently featured numeral chips,
or tags, for their scoreboards -- and this was a spinner game, which also fits the description you gave us.
However, the gameboard did not fold at all. The game is not rare and is affordable.

Another guess -- again, we're just guessing -- is much more of a longshot, as the game was made by
an independent (small, probably "cottage industry") publisher and is extremely scarce. This would be
*National Pastime* -- not the famous and fabulously expensive one from 1930 by Major Games, no --
rather the 1947 number by Robert L Plachta. That one is a card-driven game with a bifold board, and
does have a pile of little cardboard numeral chips for its scoreboard.

Another one with scoreboard numeral chips is *Bobby Shantz's Baseball Game* by Realistic Games Mfg Co Inc.
This is also a card-driven game, but it's a little late, perhaps, to have been the one you recall -- it first appeared
in 1954. It also has a memorable player endorsement, and the board does not fold.

Little bitty parts like scoreboard number tags tend to disappear over the years, so we're not 100% certain
whether or not some fairly scarce older games actually include those. A few *possible* candidates would be
*Baseball,* a 1940s spinner game by Pressman, which has a bifold board; *Pitch and Hit,* another 1940s
spinner game, this one by Milton Bradley, which has a bifold board and a separate scoreboard; and *Playtime
Baseball Game
* by Playtime House, which hasn't yet been accurately dated, although it's very probably from
the 1950s -- that's also a spinner game, but the playing board does not fold. All three of those games
may have used scoreboard number chips.

Our last guess -- for now -- is another real longshot, a 1940 rarity titled *All American Inside Baseball Game*
by M-W Games Co. It does not have numeral chips, and it's really a dice-and-charts game, although there are
dials that set each play, which you might possibly mistakenly recall as spinners. It has a bifold board, but
that sets up with a hinged stand, so it could perhaps seem like a trifold board in inexact memory.

Do any of those ring any bells, Larry? Can you remember any other details at all, like a general color scheme of
the box or board or anything specific about the graphics? We're tryin' our best here, without many definite clues.
Fellers, can any of you many members on board here chime in with better guesses than we've made? It would be
typical of us to have overlooked something obvious.
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Larry" wrote:
<< I played a baseball board game from the early 50's until about 1962.... Can you please help me ID it and also
then find it. I should recall more but I will give you what I remember...
>>
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Message #5245 Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:05 am
"swimlarry" <swimlarry(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Looking for Boyhood Baseball Game PLEASE HELP ME
Hi Butch and Everyone Else,
First, I really have to thank all of you who are trying to help me with this search. I can not Thank-You enough.
It appears to me that you have the correct boundaries down for the game. 1940's to early 50's baseball board game
that used either a spinner or cards. Now let me try to give you my thoughts tonight that may help in this search.

1. The key I have used is the small cardboard numbers that went on the scoreboard. Scoreboard had 9 or 10
innings ( I think 10) for both teams and also had runs, hits and errors if I remember right.

2. The scoreboard was either part of the game laying flat, or was a scoreboard that you attached and stood up.
I wish I could recall for sure.

3. I think the game was probably a card game, rather than spinner (but I could be mistaken) and that the cards
were a key to part of the board that showed what the player did by what the key on the cards (or spinner) said.

4. A game would take about 15 to 20 minutes to play and the game was very realistic. Never knew whether
the outcome would be a slugfest or a 1 to 0 game going extra innings.

5. The color green seems to come to mind--but I am NOT positive.

6. It could be the game was NOT a trifold board but a bifold. May even have been just one piece that didn't fold,
but I doubt that.

7. Game was NOT endorsed by a player.

8. Sorry, the game does not sound like what you described as Ethan Allen's All Star Baseball by Cadaco because
it does not have the scoreboard with numbers that you inserted into the scoreboard. Also NO circular player cards
do I recall.

9. Broadcast Baseball is a possibilty, however I still think the board folded.

10. What you describe as National Pastime appears like that may be it. You describe it as rare with a bifold board,
card driven and scoreboard that was filled with cardboard numeral chips. That description sounds like that may be
the one. Does the outfield of this game have some keys to what the player did written on it?

11. It is not the Bobby Shantz game or the All American Inside Baseball Game.

12. I guess it could be one of the games you described that used numbers for the scoreboard.

13. I believe the numbers were stored in a small box that came with the game.

So the additions I think I remember is the board itself had writing on it maybe on the left upper side that told you
what the player did. That information was developed from cards or a spinner. The numbers were stored in a small
box. The game color may have been green (not real certain of that). The board itself had the infield and outfield
displayed. I used to play Boston against New York and I would use my Tops Cards from 1952/53/54/55 to play
like 100 games and keep the statistics of each player. I played the game for about 15 years. Never got tired of it.

One could ask why I can't recall all the details of the game? Poor memory is my only answer as I am now
66 years old and haven't seen the game since I joined the Army in 1966. When I got out of the service in 1969
my MOM had heaved it and my baseball cards and my Sports Illustrated magazines/Sporting News from the 50's
out the door.

Wish I could give you more to go on, but maybe you can ID it with what I have written. Again I Thank You All
and wish you the very best,
Larry
Swimlarry(at)yahoo.com
Swimlarry(at)AOL.com

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hey there Larry, how ya doin'. Still looking in and waiting for an answer? We're all back in the front office now
> with a chance to put our tiny pointed heads together and to see if we can nail down your game. As we suggested
> in our previous response, though, you haven't given us a lot to go on, so we'll just take a few shots in the dark
> here and ask you to help us help you....
> ...
> ... Do any of those ring any bells, Larry? Can you remember any other details at all, like a general color scheme
> of the box or board or anything specific about the graphics?
>
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Message #5246 Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:41 pm
"wolfsbane1959" <larrydee1959(at)yahoo.com>
Longball
I would love to know if anyone has any information on LONGBALL Baseball By Asburn Industries
Would love to see if I could get the rights and formulas to create cards for the game. My first game that I played.
Larry Dodson
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Message #5247 Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:29 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Looking for Boyhood Baseball Game PLEASE HELP ME
Hi again, Larry, and thanks for those kind words and the additional information! As a newcomer to the forum here,
there is something you should be made aware of: the guys that run this thing frequently have no idea what they're
talking about. So if we've caused you to doubt your memory, you can probably tell us where to get off. That said,
we're keeping our fingers crossed (makes it tougher than usual to type) that we've found your game. Don't get
too excited -- we could still be wrong. But here's what you gave us to work with:

: 1940's to early 50's baseball board game
: probably a card game, rather than spinner... and that the cards were a key to part of the board that showed
what the player did by what the key on the cards said
: trifold gameboard... could be the game was NOT a trifold board but a bifold
: scoreboard was either part of the game laying flat, or was a scoreboard that you attached and stood up
: scoreboard had 9 or 10 innings ( I think 10) for both teams and also had runs, hits and errors
: small cardboard numbers that went on the scoreboard
: numbers were stored in a small box that came with the game
: game was NOT endorsed by a player

And it turns out that one game we described as a longshot guess indeed matches all of those criteria.
A little extra research on our part reveals that *National Pastime,* a 1947 game by Robert L Plachta,
in fact has a trifold board, not a bifold as we mistakenly thought -- and as that's quite an unusual feature,
we're now fairly confident that's the game you once loved and enjoyed. Take a look and tell us if anything
looks familiar to you -- go to our Forum's front page and sign in [ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/ ],
click on "Photos" in the lefthand menu there, click on the "Viewer Mail" album in the page that opens, then
check out the last two photos in that album (click on 'em to expand 'em to full size).
Whaddaya say?
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "swimlarry" wrote:
<< Hi Butch and Everyone Else, First, I really have to thank all of you who are trying to help me with this search.
I can not Thank-You enough. It appears to me that you have the correct boundaries down for the game.
1940's to early 50's baseball board game that used either a spinner or cards. Now let me try to give you
my thoughts tonight that may help in this search....
...
Wish I could give you more to go on, but maybe you can ID it with what I have written.
Again I Thank You All and wish you the very best...
>>
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Message #5248 Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:29 pm
"lynn lambert" <ronlynn3679(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Looking for Boyhood Baseball Game PLEASE HELP ME
I had a game called negamco. Do not remember a lot of details about game but believe it was played with cards.
Hope that helps.

--- "swimlarry" wrote:
> Hi Butch and Everyone Else, First, I really have to thank all of you who are trying to help me with this search.
> I can not Thank-You enough. It appears to me that you have the correct boundaries down for the game.
> 1940's to early 50's baseball board game that used either a spinner or cards. Now let me try to give you
> my thoughts tonight that may help in this search....
> ... Wish I could give you more to go on, but maybe you can ID it with what I have written.
> Again I Thank You All and wish you the very best...
>
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Message #5249 Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:53 pm
"swimlarry" <swimlarry(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Looking for Boyhood Baseball Game PLEASE HELP ME
Hi Butch,
Please thank everyone as I think you have found my game. The box with the little numbers is the key to me
along with the information on the board that tells what the player did. Very Exciting! Thank You All so much.

I realize from what you wrote earlier that this game is in short supply.
Any idea how I might be able to actually see the game? Purchase the Game?
You guys are Fabulous!
Larry
Swimlarry(at)yahoo.com
Swimlarry(at)aol.com

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hi again, Larry, and thanks for those kind words and the additional information! ...
> we're keeping our fingers crossed that we've found your game. Don't get too excited -- we could still be wrong.
> But here's what you gave us to work with:
> ...
> ... it turns out that one game we described as a longshot guess indeed matches all of those criteria....
> *National Pastime,* a 1947 game by Robert L Plachta... we're now fairly confident that's the game
> you once loved and enjoyed. Take a look and tell us if anything looks familiar to you ... click on "Photos"
> in the lefthand menu... Whaddaya say?
>
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Message #5250 Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:44 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Longball
Hiya Larry, thanks for the question! *Longball* was published by Ashburn Industries in 1974 and '75,
then by Skor-Mor from 1976 through 1978, and again by Ashburn in '79. We've got no information at hand
on the current legal status of either of those presumably defunct companies nor on the identity of the game's
designer (please chime in, fellers, in anyone out there knows). You might be able to reverse engineer the
player formulas by analyzing the cards. Do you own any edition? The game is available pretty frequently on eBay
-- granted, we haven't seen one in a while, but then we haven't been watching real closely for some time --
and at very affordable prices, ranging from as high as $80. down to less than $10. even in decent shape,
averaging a bit over $30.
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "wolfsbane1959" wrote:
<< I would love to know if anyone has any information on LONGBALL Baseball By Asburn Industries
Would love to see if I could get the rights and formulas to create cards for the game. My first game that I played.
>>
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Message #5251 Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:55 pm
"swimlarry" <swimlarry(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Looking for Boyhood Baseball Game PLEASE HELP ME
Hi Lynn,
Thanks very much for your information. The game you mentioned looks similar to what I am looking for,
but is not the one. Earlier today Butch wrote to me with information about a game titled "National Pastime"
by Robert L. Plachta. I believe that is the game I am looking for. Now I need to find one that I can purchase.

Thanks again for your information,
Larry
Swimlarry(at)yahoo.com
SWimlarry(at)aol.com

--- "lynn lambert" wrote:
> I had a game called negamco. Do not remember a lot of details about game but believe it was played with cards.
> Hope that helps.
>
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Message #5252 Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:04 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Looking for Boyhood Baseball Game PLEASE HELP ME
Hey Larry, excellent! We're delighted we were able to help out (thanks as well to Ron for volunteering his
own guess). Not to toot our own horn, and not to throw a damper on the good news, but the Plachta
*National Pastime* is a really, *really* obscure number and we doubt any other forum on the whole interweb
could've identified it -- unfortunately, as that suggests, it's a terrifically difficult item to get one's hands on.
We've seen only two sell on-line in the past six or seven years -- the only two examples we've ever seen
in more than fifteen years of serious collecting -- and the last one we saw, four years ago, was the playing board
only, no parts box or pieces, which went for over a hundred bucks. We do happen to know who bought that,
so we'll put in an inquiry on your behalf. We'll also see what we can dig up -- no promises -- in terms of
better photos of the large and complex gameboard. By the way, oddball question here, and no need whatsoever
for you to provide any personal info, but is Larry your real name, or is that by any chance a nickname for "Lionel"?
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "swimlarry" wrote:
<< Hi Butch,
Please thank everyone as I think you have found my game. The box with the little numbers is the key to me
along with the information on the board that tells what the player did. Very Exciting! Thank You All so much.
I realize from what you wrote earlier that this game is in short supply. Any idea how I might be able to actually
see the game? Purchase the Game? You guys are Fabulous!
>>
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Message #5253 Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:30 am
"swimlarry" <swimlarry(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Looking for Boyhood Baseball Game PLEASE HELP ME
Hi Butch,
Scarcity was what I was really afraid of. I have not found one for forty years, although I probably wasn't looking
very intelligently. So I feel real good about the information you fellows found for me-- because that is the game.
I believe I started playing it about 1948-49 with a neighbor who was about three years older than I was. When
we moved to another part of town in the early 50's my Mom bought me the game and I played it by myself
thereafter. Fabulous game!

I am from Portland, Maine and my neighbor, Skipper Ferruchi and I played this game religiously.
So at least two of the games were bought in Portland during the late 40's.

My first name is Lawrence, and I usually go by the name of Larry as many Lawrence's do.

The game, I believe, requires both the cards as well as the playing board to actually be able to play.
The numbers, the number box and the board box you can get away without I suppose.

Again thanks for all you and the others have done for me. I really appreciate it.
Just to see the game in the pictures you sent gave me chills. Your wonderful!

PS: Please thank Ron and any others who helped.

Larry
Swimlarry(at)yahoo.com
Swimlarry(at)aol.com

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hey Larry, excellent! We're delighted we were able to help out (thanks as well to Ron for volunteering his
> own guess). Not to... throw a damper on the good news, but the Plachta *National Pastime* is a really,
> *really* obscure number... unfortunately, as that suggests, it's a terrifically difficult item to get one's hands on.
> ... we'll put in an inquiry on your behalf.... By the way, oddball question here, and no need whatsoever for you
> to provide any personal info, but is Larry your real name, or is that by any chance a nickname for "Lionel"?
>
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Message #5254 Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:43 pm
"darrylw05819" <darrylw05819(at)yahoo.com>
Bill James Baseball Game
Hi,
I've read that the first Bill James Baseball Abstract in 1977 contains rules to a baseball game
played with a deck of playing cards. Does anyone have the rules to this or know where I could find them?
Thank you.
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Message #5255 Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:12 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: National Pastime, Plachta 1947 (was: Looking for Boyhood Baseball Game... )
Hey there Larry -- again, we're very happy to help out. And you've actually helped us, too -- we've never been able
to find out a thing about Plachta and the game's origins. Now that you've told us the game was marketed in
Portland, we've got a little better idea of its regional character and a little something to go on in researching it
further.

We asked about the "Lionel" thing because one of the only two examples we've ever seen offered for sale
had been rubber-stamped with a previous owner's name -- "Lionel (something-or-other)." At a stretch, "Larry"
might conceivably be a nickname for Lionel. That would've been a hoot if it had been your actual boyhood game.
C'mon, there weren't that many of them out there to begin with!

The gameboard really is the vital element in *National Pastime* -- that has the rules and play results. The cards
would actually be very easy to re-create at home, as they're simple color/number combinations corresponding to
the play results. You could easily make number chips for the scoreboard, too. We're pretty sure there never was
a "game box" per se -- like a great many slightly earlier games (this was common in the 1930s), *National Pastime*
was very probably sold as just the trifold gameboard, accompanied by the "parts box" containing the cards and
the scoreboard numerals.

Hang in there, now, as we try to track down a sample of the game. At least three of the world's maybe five or six
best collections of vintage tabletop baseball are represented in this forum by their owners, and there are another
thousand folks on board, many of whom have some remarkable rare games among their smaller collections -- and
most folks here keep their eyes peeled for games not only on eBay and many other internet auction sites, but also
at flea markets and antique stores all across the US and Canada. If *National Pastime* turns up anywhere at all,
you're sure to read about it here first.
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "swimlarry" wrote:
<< ... Scarcity was what I was really afraid of. I have not found one for forty years, although I probably wasn't
looking very intelligently. So I feel real good about the information you fellows found for me-- because that is
the game. I believe I started playing it about 1948-49 with a neighbor...
I am from Portland, Maine and my neighbor, Skipper Ferruchi and I played this game religiously. So at least two
of the games were bought in Portland during the late 40's.
My first name is Lawrence, and I usually go by the name of Larry as many Lawrence's do.
The game, I believe, requires both the cards as well as the playing board to actually be able to play. The numbers,
the number box and the board box you can get away without I suppose.
Again thanks for all you and the others have done for me. I really appreciate it....
>>
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Message #5256 Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:15 pm
"Jack Spellman" <jack.spellman(at)gmail.com> spellman_jack
Re: Bill James Baseball Game
I have a .pdf file of the rules to this game which I can forward to the listserv (if that's kosher -- won't do so
until/unless I'm given the okay), or to anyone who contacts me (jack.spellman (at) gmail.com).
- Jack

--- "darrylw05819" wrote:
> Hi, I've read that the first Bill James Baseball Abstract in 1977 contains rules to a baseball game
> played with a deck of playing cards. Does anyone have the rules to this or know where I could find them? ...
>
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Message #5257 Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:27 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Bill James Baseball Game
Hiya Jack, thanks very much for volunteering to help out Darryl and the rest of the group!
Thing is, personally we'd be perfectly okay with your posting the file to the forum/e-list,
it's just that Yahoo software blocks attachments.

If it's okay with you, and it seems to be, it would be better if members e-mailed you individually with requests
for the file. Fellers, send your requests to
jack.spellman(at)gmail.com
-- replacing the (at) with @ , of course (we try to disguise e-mail addresses posted in messages here so as to
minimize the amount of $p@m e-mail anyone in the group receives).
Jack may get more requests than he bargained for, so please be patient, and be sure to thank him.
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Jack Spellman" wrote:
<< I have a .pdf file of the rules to this game which I can forward to the listserv (if that's kosher --
won't do so until/unless I'm given the okay), or to anyone who contacts me (jack.spellman (at) gmail.com).
>>
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Message #5258 Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:32 pm
"Rick Teverbaugh" <rickert46015(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Bill James Baseball Game
Wasn't there a thread about this a while back and someone had said they had figured out
how to rate players for it? Or do I have it confused with another game?
Rick T.

--- "butch7999" wrote:
> Hiya Jack, thanks very much for volunteering to help out Darryl and the rest of the group! ... If it's okay with you,
> and it seems to be, it would be better if members e-mailed you individually with requests for the file....
>
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Message #5259 Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:15 pm
"Matthew Benham" <matt1964(at)sbcglobal.net> mattb938
Re: re: Bill James Baseball Game
I would love to see this game. That would be much appreciated. Has anyone played it? Opinions?
Matt

--- "Jack Spellman" wrote:
> I have a .pdf file of the rules to this game which I can forward to the listserv...
> or to anyone who contacts me ( jack.spellman (at) gmail.com ).
>
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Message #5260 Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:42 pm
"butch7999" <Butch7999(at)aol.com>
Re: Bill James Baseball Game
Howdy Rick, thanks for the question! There's certainly been ample discussion of the Bill James game here in the
forum over the years, including previous iterations of your very question, but we don't recall anyone actually
coming forward to say they had sussed its playing-rating code (nor do we find any mention of it in a search of
the forum archives). James provided ratings for only a few players when the game appeared in his '77 Abstract,
so the formula might be tough to crack.
B, K, & W
Baseball Games
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baseballgames/

--- "Rick Teverbaugh" wrote:
<< Wasn't there a thread about this a while back and someone had said they had figured out
how to rate players for it? Or do I have it confused with another game?
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Message #5261 Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:50 pm
"Aaron Cope" <aaron_cope2002(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Bill James Baseball Game
I played a short season with it about 2 years ago - the NL/AL teams that came with the game (I scavenged
the pdf files). Overall, it's about as fun as any other game. Statistically speaking though, homeruns were
tough to come by. After 20 games, both teams had hit a combined 6 or 7 homeruns.
I gave it up to run an '88 Dave Henderson at bat-by-at-bat replay with pursue the pennant.

It reminds/reminded me of MB's Championship Baseball in that CB had a great presentation
and poor statistical accuracy... whereas Bill James' had Bill James' name on it, but I didn't find it
more accurate than SOM, PtP or ASB (sorry for all the acronyms).

Off topic, I was always curious: I did, last year, play an 82 game season of championship baseball...
always wondered if that is the record.

--- "Matthew Benham" wrote:
> I would love to see this game. That would be much appreciated. Has anyone played it? Opinions?
>
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Message #5262 Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:52 am
"John Law" <prensausa(at)yahoo.com>
Re: re: Bill James Baseball Game
Hey Jack,
Thanks very much for your offer, and if you're willing, I'd love to receive the pdf file on tis game.
Thanks so much,
John

--- "Jack Spellman" wrote:
> I have a .pdf file of the rules to this game which I can forward to... anyone who contacts me
> ( jack.spellman (at) gmail.com ).
>
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Message #5263 Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:23 am
"darrylw05819" <darrylw05819(at)yahoo.com>
Winning Inning, SRI Baseball, 1974 Replay or APBA
Thanks for the help with the Bill James game! I'm wondering if anyone has copies of a relatively obscure game
called Winning Inning published by the Solitaire Tabletop Game Co. in Minneapolis. The game was published
for several years during the late 80s. I remember answering an ad for it in Street & Smiths. The good old days!
I would be interested in receiving photocopies of the charts.

The second game was published for one year by, I think, the same company that did Dungeons and Dragons.

Lastly, I am wondering if anyone could help me locate either an APBA or Replay baseball set from the 1974 season.
Thanks.
Darryl Whitcomb
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Message #5264 Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:40 pm
"Rick Hargraves" <rickh6(at)charter.net> wordman6611
Re: re: Bill James Baseball Game
This is not a game James developed. One of his professors did, and he enjoyed playing it.

--- "Aaron Cope" wrote:
> I played a short season with it about 2 years ago - the NL/AL teams that came with the game
> (I scavenged the pdf files). Overall, it's about as fun as any other game. Statistically speaking though...
> ... It reminds/reminded me of MB's Championship Baseball in that CB had a great presentation and
> poor statistical accuracy... whereas Bill James' had Bill James' name on it, but I didn't find it
> more accurate than SOM, PtP or ASB....
>
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