Voting? Not Voting?

Voting? Not Voting?

Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

July 29th, 2016, 11:47 am #1

I know I'm sticking my naked butt out here, but I am very concerned about our choices.
On the one hand, you have a second ammendment lover who will make sure we keep our rights, but is very volatile when it comes to opening his mouth.
On the other hand you have a woman who is very untrustworthy and her followers are about as stable as Trump.

So I am considering very carefully, but seriously, the third option the nation seems to be ignoring: Gary Johnson.

Gary Johnson is a Libertarian, which sounds like a fools game, but when you think about the fact they are in the middle, a little of the left and a little of the right. We all know what will happen when one party is the President, the other party will fight them tooth and nail, even if what the president offers is exactly what the country wants and needs.

So if we go to the middle, we may have half a chance of a balanced government.

So who is this nominee? (Yes, he is fully nominated just as much as Trump and Clinton) He is the exs governor of New Mexico, who did not raise any taxes (Hillary will do that), gave full freedom to businesses to do what they do best, in fact, lowered taxes, then resolved all government debt and had millions in excess at the end of his term. He believes in gun rights, he wants to free the government expense of chasing down marijuana by legalizing it and taxing that to raise money instead of spending it to fight it.

His running mate, William (Bill) Weld is a Libertarian governor of Massachusetts who also made his state financially stable with good jobs and growth, just like Gary.

They both see good things about Hillary that can be used and good things about Trump that can be used. They support gun rights and will not do the extremes of either Trump or Hillary, but to find a balance in policy.

Here is another thing we as nudists need to think about: When they start (Hillary) to speak of making Christian churches change their beliefs (State telling Church how to be Christian), then what will they do to the beliefs of nudists? We need someone who believes in freedom for all peoples.

Don't get into the trap of voting for one just to avoid the other. That is not how to make good decisions for our country. If you don't want to vote for Hillary or Trump, not voting isn't good either. Go for the middle man. This is one time the middle man is our solution.

https://www.johnsonweld.com/about/


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Terry
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July 29th, 2016, 4:21 pm #2

I'm afraid I don't discuss politics anymore with people. Hardly ever even with my wife. It gets too volatile. People say something about a candidate and don't back it up with any facts or reality.
Former presidents and future presidents have all done and will do all the same things and we will all have selective memory when it comes to defending "our" candidate.
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Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

July 29th, 2016, 5:42 pm #3

You don't have to discuss it, but at least check it out.

Also this article about Trump that may be of interest. Personally, I haven't decided exactly who I want to vote for, but I do know it's not Hillary.

Also consider the impact on Christianity (and Christian Nudists) if Hillary is elected.

http://townhall.com/columnists/waynegru ... e-n2199564
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Joined: June 22nd, 2016, 11:29 pm

July 31st, 2016, 2:45 am #4

I probably won't vote. My view on this is that it's all rigged and going to go however it was destined. It's my understanding that it's all run by the corrupt Luciferians -- the "Elite" -- the Illuminati. Whoever ends up in control, they are just a puppet. I am less inclined to be involved in politics now more than ever. Like Terry, I don't discuss it much either.

I will say this... Based on my understanding of who is in control of our world, I have a feeling many will vote for Trump but he will either drop out or be out voted by Hillary. I have a feeling Hillary will end up winning. If I do decide to vote, and I may, it would be for Trump over Hillary for sure.
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Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

July 31st, 2016, 2:58 pm #5

That is why I'm trying to get as many of both sides to look at Gary Johnson. Sure, he has a lot of agreement with Bernie, but he also has things he agrees with Trump.

I just ask that at least take a reasonable look at it and not assume it's all rigged. Make an assumption for a moment that this time, maybe your vote really does count. By not voting, you guarantee it isn't counted.

I am really concerned for the Christians today.

1Timothy 2:1-4 "First of all, then, I urge you to offer to God petitions, prayers, intercessions, and expressions of thanks for all people, for kings, and for everyone who has authority, so that we might lead a quiet and peaceful life with all godliness and dignity. This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to know the truth fully." (I added emphasis)

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Terry
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July 31st, 2016, 4:23 pm #6

I probably won't vote. My view on this is that it's all rigged and going to go however it was destined. It's my understanding that it's all run by the corrupt Luciferians -- the "Elite" -- the Illuminati. Whoever ends up in control, they are just a puppet. I am less inclined to be involved in politics now more than ever. Like Terry, I don't discuss it much either.

I will say this... Based on my understanding of who is in control of our world, I have a feeling many will vote for Trump but he will either drop out or be out voted by Hillary. I have a feeling Hillary will end up winning. If I do decide to vote, and I may, it would be for Trump over Hillary for sure.
I feel like someone saying, "Its my understanding.......," is like saying, "I was talking to this guy in a bar...," or, "Someone just once me..."

I'm sure I'll regret asking this, but is there any documentation to this "understanding?" Has it been researched? Published?
I, personally, cannot believe that everything is pre ordained like an election. We have free will to vote for whomever we choose just as Mr. Trump has free will to spew out whatever random statements out of the ether of space in the universe that HE chooses. I happen to choose to play an active part in our nation and will be voting just as our family did in the primaries. If we participate then we can at least say we did our part in supporting the constitution.

Over at True Nudist chat we have a minister with a doctorate who make random statements blaming President Obama for pretty much any random occurrence that happens on planet earth. No proof, no basis in fact and no reasoning. Like politicians he just vomits the stuff out. If you read between the lines you can tell what he REALLY wants to call the president, but society now frowns on such blatant racism. So, the word "socialist" is used. That's MY understanding and why I don't get into discussions of candidates. Too volatile.

People are always asking me who I'm going to vote for and our familt takes the concept of the secret ballot seriously.
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July 31st, 2016, 5:30 pm #7

Lets not get on a debate of "my understanding" as it is his understanding.

My only thing here is that we not get caught up in party and look at it with wisdom and more research to update our current understanding, whatever it may be.

I may regret suggesting Gary, but with my current understanding, as limited as it is on all three parties, he may be the best we got.

My real concern, which may be unfounded, but I'm sure we can pull up lots of questionably debatable articles and posts on this, is that Hillary will be bad for the Churches (all) in the United States. Will Trumps policies pose a problem for churches? I don't know, and I doubt it will, however, I do know that Gary wants Churches to have and keep their current beliefs and even given back their freedoms of 20 years ago that are constantly being threatened by those who hate Christianity, namely the Atheists. When the government controls the churches and the local schools, then they control everyone and I do mean everyone!

Gary wants that stopped. He knows the dangers of that. Trump said very little, if anything, on it.

BTW, I don't know who I will vote for either and I am NOT implying that ANYONE tells us who they will vote for, nor do I really care who you vote for. So nobody on this board will force anyone to tell us who you vote for. As you said Terry, secret ballot is to be taken seriously. If I tell you who I vote for, it's because I voluntarily say so.

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Joined: June 22nd, 2016, 11:29 pm

July 31st, 2016, 8:50 pm #8

I feel like someone saying, "Its my understanding.......," is like saying, "I was talking to this guy in a bar...," or, "Someone just once me..."

I'm sure I'll regret asking this, but is there any documentation to this "understanding?" Has it been researched? Published?
I, personally, cannot believe that everything is pre ordained like an election. We have free will to vote for whomever we choose just as Mr. Trump has free will to spew out whatever random statements out of the ether of space in the universe that HE chooses. I happen to choose to play an active part in our nation and will be voting just as our family did in the primaries. If we participate then we can at least say we did our part in supporting the constitution.

Over at True Nudist chat we have a minister with a doctorate who make random statements blaming President Obama for pretty much any random occurrence that happens on planet earth. No proof, no basis in fact and no reasoning. Like politicians he just vomits the stuff out. If you read between the lines you can tell what he REALLY wants to call the president, but society now frowns on such blatant racism. So, the word "socialist" is used. That's MY understanding and why I don't get into discussions of candidates. Too volatile.

People are always asking me who I'm going to vote for and our familt takes the concept of the secret ballot seriously.
Terry, you make good points. When I say, "My understanding," I only mean, from what I have learned through studying various topics.

No, I cannot prove anything beyond doubt, but I can only by what I have heard from firsthand from "insiders." For instance, from a British side, look up Simon Parkes who claims to have a family line that has been involved in politics while also being involved in "the alien agenda." He is clearly not a Christian but he has some inside information.

Here's one of his videos...

The Alien Agenda - Conspiracy Documentary Simon Parkes 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi7MJVRBRow

He explains how he is involved and how, as an insider, the "aliens" are involved. He explains that they are behind a lot of what is going on. Of course, since he is not a Christian, he is deceived on some level, particularly not realizing that "the aliens" are working for Lucifer and are part of the Luciferian agenda.

Speaking of that, check it out from a Christian "insider," one who was a former Illuminati...

United Nations, Lucis Trust, Unseen War, & What Is To Come- Laura Maxwell & Carolyn Hamlett
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6vrvQHucKE

These are just two examples. I could produce tons more. In fact, if you want more, you can look it up online for yourself and you will find a ton of material, including "insiders" who are seeking to warn people.

If you really want to freak yourself out with all this, just Google "The Mandela Effect", something I believe is real as I can attest to what others are experiencing -- a literal shifted reality.

Also, for the fun of it, check out this video... It will definitely get you thinking.

The Simpsons MOST ACCURATE Predictions Warnings!! PRESIDENCY, REPTILIANS, RAPTURE, CERN MORE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm8AFZ8xraA

As for things being ordained, I am not interested in debating that as we could argue it either way. What I really meant was that I believe that we may think we are voting for the one we want, but "the powers that be" (not referring to God, although He has a hand it too), insure their man wins, however they do it. I myself just stay out of politics. I may vote but again, as I don't have much faith in the process, I may not.

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Joined: June 22nd, 2016, 11:29 pm

July 31st, 2016, 9:00 pm #9

Lets not get on a debate of "my understanding" as it is his understanding.

My only thing here is that we not get caught up in party and look at it with wisdom and more research to update our current understanding, whatever it may be.

I may regret suggesting Gary, but with my current understanding, as limited as it is on all three parties, he may be the best we got.

My real concern, which may be unfounded, but I'm sure we can pull up lots of questionably debatable articles and posts on this, is that Hillary will be bad for the Churches (all) in the United States. Will Trumps policies pose a problem for churches? I don't know, and I doubt it will, however, I do know that Gary wants Churches to have and keep their current beliefs and even given back their freedoms of 20 years ago that are constantly being threatened by those who hate Christianity, namely the Atheists. When the government controls the churches and the local schools, then they control everyone and I do mean everyone!

Gary wants that stopped. He knows the dangers of that. Trump said very little, if anything, on it.

BTW, I don't know who I will vote for either and I am NOT implying that ANYONE tells us who they will vote for, nor do I really care who you vote for. So nobody on this board will force anyone to tell us who you vote for. As you said Terry, secret ballot is to be taken seriously. If I tell you who I vote for, it's because I voluntarily say so.
Boyd, I read your message after I posted my reply to Terry. Please feel free to delete it if you feel it's out of place or whatever. I am not interested in debating at all really. I was only trying to say that I don't have much faith in the process since I know, or feel I know, that the powers that be do all they can to insure their man wins.
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Terry
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August 1st, 2016, 3:21 pm #10

Lets not get on a debate of "my understanding" as it is his understanding.

My only thing here is that we not get caught up in party and look at it with wisdom and more research to update our current understanding, whatever it may be.

I may regret suggesting Gary, but with my current understanding, as limited as it is on all three parties, he may be the best we got.

My real concern, which may be unfounded, but I'm sure we can pull up lots of questionably debatable articles and posts on this, is that Hillary will be bad for the Churches (all) in the United States. Will Trumps policies pose a problem for churches? I don't know, and I doubt it will, however, I do know that Gary wants Churches to have and keep their current beliefs and even given back their freedoms of 20 years ago that are constantly being threatened by those who hate Christianity, namely the Atheists. When the government controls the churches and the local schools, then they control everyone and I do mean everyone!

Gary wants that stopped. He knows the dangers of that. Trump said very little, if anything, on it.

BTW, I don't know who I will vote for either and I am NOT implying that ANYONE tells us who they will vote for, nor do I really care who you vote for. So nobody on this board will force anyone to tell us who you vote for. As you said Terry, secret ballot is to be taken seriously. If I tell you who I vote for, it's because I voluntarily say so.
I guess my predictions on politics creating a volatile environment were pretty much spot on.
I may be back to the forum at the end of the year AFTER the elections.
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