RAAF P40 Foliage green and Earth brown What is the correct Color ???

RAAF P40 Foliage green and Earth brown What is the correct Color ???

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September 8th, 2010, 1:02 pm #1

HI All as the title says I"m currently putting together a series of Hasegawa 1/32nd scale P40E's And M's I can assume that the E and M were the same colors ? Would someone know the Correct FS Color and matching Humbrol etc paint equivalent ? Any help at all would be appreciated !

Sean
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September 8th, 2010, 11:48 pm #2

Hello Shean,

There is no simple answer to your question. The P40E and P-40E-1 were finished in a variety of colour schemes depending on how they were processed before entering RAAF service. Many were also repainted during their RAAF careers. The P-40M aircraft were also not consistent in their camouflage schemes.

Peter Malone
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September 8th, 2010, 11:53 pm #3

HI All as the title says I"m currently putting together a series of Hasegawa 1/32nd scale P40E's And M's I can assume that the E and M were the same colors ? Would someone know the Correct FS Color and matching Humbrol etc paint equivalent ? Any help at all would be appreciated !

Sean
You may find some basic guidance in Red Roo's book on understanding Austrailan colours - see www.redroomodels.com/books.php?book=7.

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September 9th, 2010, 2:15 am #4

HI All as the title says I"m currently putting together a series of Hasegawa 1/32nd scale P40E's And M's I can assume that the E and M were the same colors ? Would someone know the Correct FS Color and matching Humbrol etc paint equivalent ? Any help at all would be appreciated !

Sean
I will make a sweeping generalisation and suggest that most of these were flown in either their factory schemes or with only partial repainting in the first instances.
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September 9th, 2010, 4:45 am #5

HI All as the title says I"m currently putting together a series of Hasegawa 1/32nd scale P40E's And M's I can assume that the E and M were the same colors ? Would someone know the Correct FS Color and matching Humbrol etc paint equivalent ? Any help at all would be appreciated !

Sean
All of the RAAF P-40's came from stocks in the US which were diverted lend lease aircraft for the Poms, so it's probable they were RAF earth and dark green. Some aircraft were repainted after overhaul in foilage green and and earth. They could also have been repainted in overall foilage green, sometimes with or without sky blue undersurfaces. Much later they were paint stripped back to natural metal.

Also note that they were delivered with red/white/blue roundels which some aircraft retained, in the end though most would have had the red dot painted out to avoid friendly fire incidents. Some aircraft had their underwing roundels deleted too.

If you can catch some of the colour film that was short at Milne Bay, that is about as good a reference as you will see.

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September 9th, 2010, 5:35 am #6

HI All as the title says I"m currently putting together a series of Hasegawa 1/32nd scale P40E's And M's I can assume that the E and M were the same colors ? Would someone know the Correct FS Color and matching Humbrol etc paint equivalent ? Any help at all would be appreciated !

Sean
Assuming we are talking about the pacific theater:

For a practical if not perfect solution for a 2-colour upper scheme in delivery scheme: US medium green and the tan from the USAF SEAC scheme, over a pale grey like USN light gull gray.

Some Es had a wavy demarcation line between upper and lowers; these aircraft had, I believe, the undersides repainted in RAAF sky to cover up "US ARMY" markings. I have been told that IDF pale blue is not too distant from RAAF sky, though perhaps a tad greenish. So I have been told.

Aircraft in single-colour uppers are OD over NG.

It gets complicated in the Med because no Es were delivered in desert camo, but had the green areas, but only the green areas, overpainted (frequently leaving a rectangle of the original scheme around the serial) - but I can't remember if with middle stone or a mixed colour.

I would suggest Ian K Baker's colouring book on the P-40.
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September 9th, 2010, 7:40 am #7

HI All as the title says I"m currently putting together a series of Hasegawa 1/32nd scale P40E's And M's I can assume that the E and M were the same colors ? Would someone know the Correct FS Color and matching Humbrol etc paint equivalent ? Any help at all would be appreciated !

Sean
This is one of the Aircraft well the one I'm focusing my attention on at the moment 76 sqn P40M A29-377 sqn code P-SV
Main topic of contention with my mate is an accurate placement of the upper camoflage scheme so any help there would also be appreciated ? Looking at several reference photos of Other P40M's they all seem to show slighly different camoflage layouts.
On the color problem I know this particular aircraft was very badly weathered ( hence the reason it was chosen as a modelling subject)I understand it would have been reasonably sun bleached but I would like to start with reasonably correct colors and tone them back Via the weathering processes.

Sean
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September 9th, 2010, 11:06 am #8

HI All as the title says I"m currently putting together a series of Hasegawa 1/32nd scale P40E's And M's I can assume that the E and M were the same colors ? Would someone know the Correct FS Color and matching Humbrol etc paint equivalent ? Any help at all would be appreciated !

Sean
I don't know if these help but these are the colours I used for my 1/48 P-40N (Cleopatra III) which can be found in the AMI Gallery if you want to have a look. The 4 digit reference numbers are MM enamel bottles:

The a/c was OD (FS34087 Olive Drab -1711) over NG (FS36320 Dk Ghost Gray -1741) with the original US markings on the fuselage painted out with RAAF Foliage Green (FS34092 Euro Dk Green - 1764)

I don't claim them as perfect. To get a Humbrol colour match go to the IPMS Stockholm webiste and they should have them over there:

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorchart ... charts.asp

I hope this puts you in the right direction. I am sure that the information is to hand somewhere and remind you these are a general reference from a simple man!!

Regards

Kent in Oz
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September 9th, 2010, 11:38 am #9

Hi Kent thank you for the link I'll check this out in more detail , all I need to do now is find a picture which better shows the camouflage layout more clearly.
Had a look at the gallery Kent very nice build , I only hope what I'm doing at the moment will turn out half as good as what you've achieved.

Sean
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September 10th, 2010, 10:13 am #10

Hello Shaun,

I wouldn't be going with the OD/NG colour scheme that Kent used for his P-40N-20 model.

The evidence suggests that P-40M aircraft were finished at the factory in a temperate, brown/green upper surface scheme. The pattern and colours were basically the same as used on the P-40E-1. A Curtiss drawing for the P-40E-1 cites duPont colours: Brown 71-009 and Green 71-013 for the upper surface colours. The under surface colour is not given a reference number. Curtis seem to have used a light gray and a light blue at different times. I have colour chips from P-40E-1s that show a light grey. On the other hand, a model of a P-40M-1, built in 1943, for an 86 Sqn RAAF pilot, is painted in a light blue very close to RAAF Sky Blue. This may have been the Curtiss colour or, it may have been that the RAAF chose to re-paint the under surfaces of their P-40Ms in the RAAF paint. The model was painted using paints held by the squadron for touch-up work so the colours were authentic.

You are correct about the amount of service that A29-377 saw. It was first issued to 86 Sqn at the end of 1943. In April 1944 it went to 77 Sqn for a short period before finding its way to 76 Sqn in June. In October it was damaged when the undercarriage collapsed on landing. It was repaired and received a 240hourly overhaul at 22 RSU. It returned to 76 Sqn in early January 1945 and was coded 'P'. It was shortly after this that the photo you have was taken. (If you look carefully at the photo you can see where a previous code has been over-painted. On my copy of that photo you can also see that a replacement radiator and oil-cooler cowling has been fitted). It was transferred out of 76 Sqn in late February when the squadron re-equipped with the P-40N-40. It went to the newly re-formed 86 Sqn and then 2 OTU before ending its days at 6 AD at Oakey.

Hope the above helps with your model.

Peter

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