E1b1b1c1 (M34) are the descendants of the ancient Levantines

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Akper Aliev, Bob Del Turco.
Modern carriers of haplogroup E1b1b1c1 (M34) are the descendants of the ancient Levantines



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Who, where, when
The homeland of haplogroup E1b1b1c1 (M34) is placed in a relatively small region of the Middle East, covering south-east Asia Minor and the Levant areas (Syria and Palestine) [1]. This opinion is based on the fact that it is here presented as the haplogroup E1b1b1c1* (M34), and its known subclades: E1b1b1c1a* (M84), E1b1b1c1a1* (M136) and E1b1b1c1b* (M290) [2-6]. It may be the result of the long-term presence of this haplogroup. The haplogroup was found in the Eastern Mediterranean countries, in the European Mediterranean countries, the British Isles [7-11] as well as on the Arabian peninsula, but with relatively low diversity [12-14].
The following paper will help to better understand the history of the haplogroup and how it occurred

Time of occurrence

First, let’s determine and clarify the time of the first appearance of this haplogroup. That is, to calculate the age of the most recent common ancestor of all modern carriers of this haplogroup. It requires a large sample of «long» haplotypes (preferably 67-marker). It should be noted that the calculated age will determine only the approximate date, after which the haplogroup could not appear, the lower temporal boundary, which may not always coincide with its true age. For this calculation we will use the manual [15], assuming that one generation is 25 years.

If you have to deal with rare haplogroups, one will inevitably have to be content with modest samples. But with too few (less than 10) numbers of haplotypes used for analysis, calculating the age of the haplogroup has no meaning: in this case the age would be underestimated.

Analysis of the history of the settlement of this haplogroup is easier if we can identify one or more clusters in this haplogroup. Cluster is the independent branch, forming one separate haplotype. Calculating the age of the cluster, and knowing the geography of its spread can more clearly elucidate the history of the settlement of the carriers of this haplogroup. How exactly? It will become clear below.

According to the classification of the Haplozone E3b Project [16], the known haplogroup clusters of E1b1b1c1 are identified as E1b1b1c1*-A, E1b1b1c1*-B, E1b1b1c1*-C, E1b1b1c1*-D1 («Jewish cluster») and E1b1b1c1*-D2.

Each of these clusters has its own peculiarities.
E1b1b1c1*-A is the «European» cluster, discovered among the Germans and the Spaniards;
E1b1b1c1*-B is the «Arabian» cluster found among the Arabs from Persian Gulf countries;
E1b1b1c1*-C is the «British» cluster found among the British and Irish.
E1b1b1c1*-D1 is the «Jewish» cluster found among Ashkenazi. History of this cluster (about 1000 years ago) was considered in another paper [17] and will not be considered here.
E1b1b1c1*-D2 is the «mixed» cluster, found both among Europeans and people of the Levant and Turkey.

Let us calculate the ages of these clusters. It is necessary to mention that due to the small number of haplotype clusters of E1b1b1c1*-A, E1b1b1c1-B and E1b1b1c1-C, the probability is very high that we will observe very «rejuvenation» ages. For example, the cluster E1b1b1c1*-A (N=4, 37 markers), such age is 3525±650 years. Ancestor of E1b1b1c1-B (N=2, 67 markers) lived 350±175 and E1b1b1c1-C (N=3, 25 markers) – 750±400 years ago. Although the ages are approximate, it shows that these clusters occurred in different epochs.

More plausible results can be expected when calculating the age of the cluster E1b1b1c1*-D2, whose sample consisted of 32 67-marker haplotypes. Its age was 3850±450 years. The mixture of nations in this cluster indicates that the founding father was born 3400-4300 years ago in the Levant. Part of his descendants later migrated to Europe. This confirms the close age proximity of the cluster E1b1b1c1*-A, equal to 3525±650 years. Apparently, the emergence of these two clusters are linked to the same period in the history of the Middle East.

To determine the age of the common ancestor of all E1b1b1c1, authors compiled samples with the involvement of 9-markers of Lebanese, Syrian, Palestinian and Turkish haplotypes from the papers [2, 3], the modal haplotypes of all noted clusters and haplotypes are not related to any of the known clusters and designated as E1b1b1c1*-Miscellaneous (N=51, 9 markers). Age of the most recent common ancestor of all modern carriers of E1b1b1c1* is 7000±850 years.

Ethnolinguistic portrait of the ancient Levant
The analysis suggests the presence of haplogroup E1b1b1c1 in the peoples of western Asia Minor with V millennium BC. e. These people are remarkable as the creators of the first civilizations of the world, and laid the foundations of social and cultural development of mankind. The presence of numerous archaeological and written records will trace the historical path of these peoples.

According to the hypothesis of TV Gamkrelidze and VV Ivanov, not later than the V-IV millennium BC in the Middle East began the gradual disintegration of Indo-European, Proto-Semitic and Proto-Kartrvelian languages and their interaction with other languages of the region [18, 19] (Fig. 1).


Fig. 1. Alleged scheme of spreading of languages in the Middle East in the IV-III millennium BC. 1 – Semitic («Paleo-Canaanian»), 2 – Proto-Chattian, 3 – Proto-Kartrvelian 4 – Hurro-Urartian, 5 – Sumerian, 6 – Proto-Indo-European; 7 – Elamite [18]

Over time, these proto-languages began to break up into smaller subgroups. Among all these languages, Semitic, Hurrian and Indo-European languages have relevance to the area of Levant and Southeast Anatolia, so one can assume that the ancient native of haplogroup E1b1b1c1 could be from this area [20]:

The people who lived in the III-II millennium BC spoke the North-west Semitic languages, Proto-Canaanite and Aramaic subgroups – Amorean, Ugaritic, Old Canaanite, Phoenician, Hebrew, Moab, and the Aramaic dialects. Sometimes Pre-Jewish ancient peoples of Palestine – the Amorites, the Phoenicians, Moabites etc. – collectively called the Canaanites. The greatest contribution to world civilization of the Canaanites is the invention of alphabetic writing.

Amorites are known as the founders of the first royal dynasty of Babylon, the most famous representative of which was Hammurabi, the creator of the Code of Laws.

The Phoenicians created a powerful civilization with advanced craft and maritime trade. The Phoenician alphabet became one of the first recorded in the history of systems of syllabic phonetic letters.

The Jews are known as the founders of Judaism – one of the first monotheistic religions of the world, from which later emerged Christianity and Islam. Canaanian pantheon influenced Jewish demonology, in which the names of Canaanite gods turned into epithets of servants of evil – Beelzebub, Vaalberit, Astaroth, etc.

Aramaeans never formed a united nation and did not have a single state. Nevertheless, their language playing the role of lingua franca in large parts of the Middle East. It was the official language of the Persian Achaemenid Empire, the spoken language of Palestine at the time of Jesus Christ.

The Indo-European family in this area in the III-II millennium BC was presented by both the Hittite and Mitanni Aryan language.

Hittites were the first Indo-European people who created a state – the Hittite kingdom. From Chattites they took over the processing technology of iron, which was the guarded secret of Chattites.

Mitanni Aryans were part of the population of the ancient kingdom of Mitanni, who spoke with a separate Aryan language. They were known due to handicrafts of training horses.

Assuming an ancestry of the Proto-Indo-European language in North Syria, the migration of people from the Middle East to Europe around 3400-4300 years ago and the formation of clusters E1b1b1c1-D2 and E1b1b1c1-A can be attributed with migration speakers of Proto-Hellenic and «Old Balkanian» dialects from Asia Minor to the Balkans.

The Hurrian population, along with the Semitic, lived in the II millennium BC in parts of northern Syria and southeastern Anatolia. Hurrians created the kingdom Urkish and Nawar, Mitanni and Kizzuwatna, as well as a number of city-states from Palestine to Mesopotamia. In the Bible, among the inhabitants of Pre-Jewish Palestine are noted Horites the small groups of Semitizated Hurrits retains its tribal designation until the first centuries of the I millennium BC.

By their anthropological type ancient and modern populations of Levant and Asia Minor refers to the type of the Armenoid (or Assyroid) race, known by ancient monuments in Asia Minor. This type is characterized by a pronounced brachycephaly, enhanced development of hair on the face and body, a unique form of the nose (look at Hittite reliefs, Fig. 2) [21].


Fig. 2. The external appearance of the ancient Levantines (Hittite king, praying god of fertility)

Although with time almost all the ancient languages of the Levant later were replaced by Arabic, Turkish and Kurdish languages, physical displacement of the population did not happen. It is evidenced by the continuous presence of haplogroup E1b1b1c1 for thousands of years and remained unchanged anthropological type of the population.


Fig. 3. Modern Levantine

wrote:So today, Palestinians, Jordanians, Lebanese, Syrians, and some Turks are among those of haplogroup E1b1b1c1 and direct descendants of ancient peoples – the creators of the civilizations of the Eastern Mediterranean.

Dry residue
1) Haplogroup E1b1b1c1* (M34) was born in an area of modern south-east Turkey, Syria, Lebanon and Palestine about 7000 years ago.
2) In ancient times, carriers of this haplogroup were peoples of civilizations of the Eastern Mediterranean and Asia Minor, who spoke the Northwest Semitic languages, Anatolian and Mitannian Aryan languages, as well as Hurrites language.
3) Approximately 3400-4300 years ago some carriers of E1b1b1c1 migrated from the Middle East to Europe, poured into the European nations, forming clusters E1b1b1c1-D2 and E1b1b1c1-A.
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April 12th, 2010, 12:50 pm #2

This article is borderline nonsense.
It should be renamed :

Obscuring the North East African Origins of the ancient Levantines.

or even

Obscuring the North East Africa Origin of one of the founding lineages of Judaism.
No samples from Ethiopia, or Egypt where the diversity is nearly as high as it is in the Near East? No samples from Yemen?
V22 - Nile Valley/Levantine
M34 - Horn African/Egyptian/Arabian
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April 12th, 2010, 2:24 pm #3

The Author talks about the first people of the levant who are from the Pre-Neolithic era originally from North africa Not ur Horn africa ,these people are the creators of the semitic civilizations and they are the true semites ! Highest diversity is recorded from the Egyptians Lybians Tunisians and Algerians and the most Old Lineage's of M123 is from central Portugal and Galicia ,Italy and Morocco and some sephardic - Asheknazi jews
wrote:Cruciani Cruciani (2004), do not rule out an East Africa origin for this haplogroup stating "the introduction of E-M34 from Africa directly to southern-central Europe cannot be excluded at the present.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup ... 28Y-DNA%29
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April 12th, 2010, 2:38 pm #4

samysamy25 wrote:The Author talks about the first people of the levant who are from the Pre-Neolithic era originally from North africa Not ur Horn africa ,these people are the creators of the semitic civilizations and they are the true semites ! Highest diversity is recorded from the Egyptians Lybians Tunisians and Algerians and the most Old Lineage's of M123 is from Portugal in Galicia ,Italy and Morocco and some sephardic - Asheknazi jews
wrote:Cruciani Cruciani (2004), do not rule out an East Africa origin for this haplogroup stating "the introduction of E-M34 from Africa directly to southern-central Europe cannot be excluded at the present.
Semitic is a language , neither a group of languages , neither an ethnicity , neither a genetic group.
A civilization is the result of a group of people , based on civil structures , it has nothing to do with an "haplgroup".
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April 12th, 2010, 3:04 pm #5

What the hell, isn't that Phalangist leader Bashir Gemayel used as an example of the "modern levantine"? He would have been proud.
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April 12th, 2010, 3:18 pm #6

Funk wrote:What the hell, isn't that Phalangist leader Bashir Gemayel used as an example of the "modern levantine"? He would have been proud.
Yes it's him.. lol!
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April 12th, 2010, 4:42 pm #7

samysamy25 wrote:The Author talks about the first people of the levant who are from the Pre-Neolithic era originally from North africa Not ur Horn africa ,these people are the creators of the semitic civilizations and they are the true semites !
wrote:After all, the early Semites were just a few Africans arriving to find a lot of other people already in the area. - Christopher Ehret
wrote:One of the archaeological possibilities is a group called the Mushabaeans. This group moves in on another group that's Middle Eastern. Out of this, you get the Natufian people. Now, we can see in the archaeology that people were using wild grains the Middle East very early, back into the late glacial age, about 18,000 years ago. But they were just using these seeds as they were. At the same time, in this northeastern corner of Africa, another people the Mushabaeans? are using grindstones along the Nile, grinding the tubers of sedges. Somewhere along the way, they began to grind grain as well. Now, it's in the Mushabian period that grindstones come into the Middle East. - Christopher Ehret
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So again how is MY comment or that of Ehret incompatible to yours?
North East African Origins of the ancient Levantines? Egypt = North East Africa last time I checked. Also last time I checked E1b1b1c comes from a much earlier marker E1b1b1* that is quite common in the Horn of Africa (15~19%) and which all published researched says "Migrated North". And even ITS parent clade E1b1* is very common in 'my' Horn of Africa (15~18%)

This Article seems to obscure those origins by simply NOT speaking about them. You cannot do this when attempting to hypothesis the EARLIEST migration of the population itself. This would be like documenting the Earliest history of "Black Americans" but not quite mentioning the fact that they come from Africa. :lol: Quite nonsensical in my opinion.
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April 12th, 2010, 4:52 pm #8

Poor monkey u know I await your response , I know it's another Afro-Monkey action from you let me tell you something (E* and E3b* are Eurasian love it or Not)
PS: Go to play it with another, I'll give you the banana right now

Here is a Typical Natufian Skulls from Israel fully caucaziod skulls of Iberu-Maurusian type AKA Cromagnons Not Neggroid ;)





http://www.tau.ac.il/~anatom2/paleopathology.html
wrote:The Natufians were one of the earliest agriculturalists. The jury is still out on who holds the title for ‘the first farmers’ as the East Asians are also looking good for it, but Turkey and the Zagros region is more likely to be the home of western agriculture, not Israel or Syria. It’s rather telling that the very earliest Natufian agricultural sites are right on the edges of their territory (Abu Hureyra) and growing a more Northerly crop (ry. They gathered wild grains for a long time after farming was introduced. They seem to share some cultural ties to the Turkish culture of the time, such as removing and decorating skulls, and burying their dead inside their houses. They also have the habit of incisor evulsion shared with the Ibero Maurussian Culture of Morocco
http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpr ... natufians/

and deal with it !!
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April 12th, 2010, 5:00 pm #9

^ Doesn't really matter what their skull looked like they still could have been from North East Africa carrying E-M35~

Please give me a source for E3* E3b* E3a* E2* or E1* having an origin external to Africa. Thank you.
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April 12th, 2010, 5:15 pm #10

and they still could have been From North africa since these Caucaziod Skulls are founded and shares the same type of cultures
wrote: The Natufians were one of the earliest agriculturalists. The jury is still out on who holds the title for ‘the first farmers’ as the East Asians are also looking good for it, but Turkey and the Zagros region is more likely to be the home of western agriculture, not Israel or Syria. It’s rather telling that the very earliest Natufian agricultural sites are right on the edges of their territory (Abu Hureyra) and growing a more Northerly crop (ry. They gathered wild grains for a long time after farming was introduced. They seem to share some cultural ties to the Turkish culture of the time, such as removing and decorating skulls, and burying their dead inside their houses. They also have the habit of incisor evulsion shared with the Ibero Maurussian Culture of Morocco
http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpr ... natufians/

anyhow !! there was No neggroids before 15.000 in africa (just keep it for ur minds)



PS: u r out of the Topic


here is why E* and E3b* are Eurasids

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/1502628/1/

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April 12th, 2010, 6:44 pm #11

Who said anything about "Negroids"? Show some respect.
It doesn't MATTER what they LOOKED LIKE, if they have not pulled Y-dna from fossils then the specimens that your are looking at may not have been E-M35~ carriers.

The fact remains that E3* has on origin North East Africa. E3b* has an origin in North East Africa. In order for E3b1c to originate ANYWHERE it must come from the Ancestral marker E3b*

All you need to do is simply see where the paraclades PN2* and E3b* are located:



If you want to make a Hypothesis that E3b or E3 originated in the Middle East, Near east, North West Africa or any other location other than North East Africa then by all means do so. But dont just state it as fact with not evidence to back it up. It is simply not supported by peer review nor the available data. The NORTH EAST AFRICAN origin IS.

Therefore the GENETIC FORERUNNERS of Ancient Levantines carrying M34* would be Ancient North East Africans carrying E-M35* and or E-M123. These people may or may not have been the "First Semites" that Christopher Ehret speaks of.
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April 12th, 2010, 7:11 pm #12

Actually Ethiopians have the most Youngest Lineage's of M123 Formerly E1b1b1c1 (E-M34) wich are Originally from The Near east according to Cruciani 2004
wrote:Cruciani (2004) E-M34 is found at small frequencies in North Africa and Southern Europe (6.6% in Sicily for example), and has its highest concentration in Ethiopia and the Near East (with highest levels in Oman and Turkey). However, because the diversity is apparently low in Ethiopia, the authors suggest that E-M34 was likely introduced into Ethiopia from the Near East.
wrote:However, Cruciani Cruciani (2004), do not rule out an East Africa origin for this haplogroup stating "the introduction of E-M34 from Africa directly to southern-central Europe cannot be excluded at the present."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup ... 28Y-DNA%29

Plz ! ur pathetic non-senses M123 lineage's in Ethiopia are YOUNGEST !!! and from The Near east

Keep your conclusions of your imagination far away from your Black head , enough for your Afro centrism you're not Cruciani 2004 or any other Experts ! you're a waste of slavery just be PROUD of it
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samysamy25 wrote:Actually Ethiopians have the most Youngest Lineage's of M123 Formerly E1b1b1c1 (E-M34) wich are Originally from The Near east according to Cruciani 2004
wrote:Cruciani (2004) E-M34 is found at small frequencies in North Africa and Southern Europe (6.6% in Sicily for example), and has its highest concentration in Ethiopia and the Near East (with highest levels in Oman and Turkey). However, because the diversity is apparently low in Ethiopia, the authors suggest that E-M34 was likely introduced into Ethiopia from the Near East.
wrote:However, Cruciani Cruciani (2004), do not rule out an East Africa origin for this haplogroup stating "the introduction of E-M34 from Africa directly to southern-central Europe cannot be excluded at the present."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup ... 28Y-DNA%29

Plz ! ur pathetic non-senses M123 lineage's in Ethiopia are YOUNGEST !!! and from The Near east

Keep your conclusions of your imagination far away from your Black head , enough for your Afro centrism you're not Cruciani 2004 or any other Experts ! you're a waste of slavery just be PROUD of it
Stop acting like a BUFFOON.
You DO understand that E-M123 is a SUBCLADE of E-M35 correct?

Maybe a Visual representation will help you to understand WHICH clades come FROM which clades.



YES! Thank you! - E-M123 MAY have had an origin in the Near East and Migrated BACK to Ethiopia. But what is the PARENT clade of E-M123?

You seem to clearly understand what Africa RECEIVED now pay attention to what Africa GIVES:

-P2 - Is found HIGHEST in the Horn (19%) and Sub Saharan Africa - ABSENT ELSEWHERE.
-M35* Is found HIGHEST in the Horn (19%) and Sub Saharan Africa - RARE TO ABSENT ELSEWHERE.
-Other BROTHER MUTATIONS V6, M293, M281 are pretty much exclusive to Sub Saharan Horn Africa.

You are trying to Obscure the origins of the E-M123 by not speaking of where the parent clade came from. As a matter of fact you seem not to want to discuss the parent clades at all. You seem to just keep making desperate jumps back to "E*"
wrote:Both phylogeography and microsatellite variance suggest that E-P2 and its derivative, E-M35, probably originated in eastern Africa. This inference is further supported by the presence of additional Hg E lineal diversification and by the highest frequency of E-P2* and E-M35* in the same region. The distribution of E-P2* appears limited to eastern African peoples. The E-M35* lineage shows its highest frequency (19.2%) in the Ethiopian Oromo but with a wider distribution range than E-P2*
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Give it UP. Stop making yourself look like an idiot. The quote above is from 2004 and there has been NO NEW INFORMATION in the past 6 years in favor of an alternative Hypothesis. No study in the past 6 years shows E-PN2* ANYWHERE outside of Sub Saharan Africa, and E-M35* at any frequency Above 10% outside of Sub Saharan Africa.........and probably no higher than 2-4% Outside of the continent. Later studies of Sub Saharans only Add cement to this statement.

Just because you are loud and aggressive that does not make you factually correct. And you have a lot of Nerve calling people "Monkey". Be respectful and have some decency.
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April 12th, 2010, 8:21 pm #14

again to me u r a Monkey a slave a bunch of :poop: like all other afro-americans ....
E* and E3b* still Eurasid's Love it or Not ! and deal with it
Ps : again u r out of topic and ur Not E1b1b u r not concerned either since u r Bantuid and a direct Devolution case of the ancient Eurasians AKA cromagnons ;)

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April 12th, 2010, 9:19 pm #15

samysamy25 wrote:again to me u r a Monkey a slave a bunch of :poop: like all other afro-americans ....
E* and E3b* still Eurasid's Love it or Not ! and deal with it
Ps : again u r out of topic and ur Not E1b1b u r not concerned either since u r Bantuid and a direct Devolution case of the ancient Eurasians AKA cromagnons ;)

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