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Katarina (Norway)
Katarina (Norway)

August 22nd, 2008, 7:20 am #1

Hello! I need some input. My baby just turned 1 month old, and he's the most precious thing in the world =) He's growing and growing every day, and is overall a happy and peaceful child. BUT he's since he was about 1 week old REALLY been struggeling with his stomach. It started mild, but it has just become worse and worse. He's constantly (when awake) pressing and working so hard with his stomach. It sounds like he has very hard poo or air that doesn't come out. Now the last week he's also been screaming and crying from pain when he's pressing. His poo is changing between yellow and green, and is VERY liquid. So we went to the doctor, who recommended to try a powder (to make milk) for 4-5 days so that his stomach can recover a little bit. It's a powder that doesn't contain milk protein, and you can only get it in pharmacies. Expensive yes... So we're trying that now. It tastes very bad, but he's a good boy and eats it anyway. It's quite a change for me (and him!), as I'm used to breastfeeding him almost every hour, and now he gets the bottle every 3-4 hour. I'm seeing a change in him, I think he has less stomach pain. I'm hoping it gets even better in a few days and when I start breastfeeding him again. I'm currently pumping my milk and storing it in the freezer. Alot of work! But if he gets better it's definently worth it!

I wonder if any of you has had any similar problems with your babies? I've of course tried "everything" to help his stomach problems. Like not eating food like onion, cabbage, grapes and so on. And not drinking anything with bubbles. I'm also avoiding any milk products (DIFFICULT! There's milk in everything!). We're also giving him fennel tea, which calms him down a little bit, but doesn't take away the pain. Sugar water doesn't help him either. He's not the best burper, he actually just started to burp for real. The air mostly find the other way out, but not without a big struggle. It's so heartbreaking to see my baby suffering, and now when it also bothers him when he sleeps, it really has to be fixed.

Any tips?

Thank you!!
- Katarina -
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Krissahm
Krissahm

August 22nd, 2008, 12:42 pm #2

Awwww....the poor little baby! Those early days can be so hard but they pass by so quickly! Well it sounds to me like he's not constipated and the poo he has is very normal for a breastfed baby. Does he spit up much? How many times a day is he having a bowel movement? Some things to do are to hold him in your arm on his tummy...sometimes the pressure makes it feel better.....and to lay him on his back and bicycle his legs to help get the air out. Their digestive systems are still immature and it could just be taking some time for him to get it working properly. Is the powder you are using called Nutramigen? I know you're not in the US so I'm not sure if that is what they have there or not but that is typically what is used here. With one of mine I actually had to stop breastfeeding and use a soy formula because that is the only thing that worked....she had terrible reflux though and a heart defect so we never really knew if she truly was allergic to dairy or not. We also have a product here you can buy called Mylicon gas drops. I don't know if they really helped at all but we were pretty desperate so we tried anything LOL. I wish I could offer you more advice but sometimes they just have to work it out with time. Is it all the time or does he tend to get fussy around the same time each day? Do you notice it immediately after a feeding or later? Is his tummy hard or soft? Does his tummy look swollen at all? I know it's hard to tell because they are so tiny still but look at that as well. Only other thing I could suggest is seeing a gastroenterologist who specializes in intestinal issues. I hope that things get better for your little man. It's just terrible to watch your little one suffer!

Kris
Proud Mommy to 5 girls

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Katarina (Norway)
Katarina (Norway)

August 22nd, 2008, 4:28 pm #3

Hey Krissahm! Thank you so much for answering! =)
He doesn't spit up much. He's done it maybe 3-4 times since he was born. And he's over a month old now. I don't really know what bowel movement is, so I can't answer that... I've tried to add pressure to his belly, doesn't help him much. The bicycling with his legs can help to get out some gas, but not always. And yes, I'm using Nutramigen! His poo is now alot thicker, and he only has one poo diaper every 24 hours. Before he had poo in every diaper I changed.. I also tried some drops that helps colic babies (it's called Minifom here), but it didn't work so well. He's fussy all around the clock unfortunately. He is getting a little better now though, after we started giving him Nutramigen. His tummy looks a little blown up and hard yes... I will go see a specialist if the Nutramigen doesn't help completely. I'll try everything for my little Aaron! Thank you for helping me!

- Katarina - mother of one
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Elin
Elin

August 22nd, 2008, 5:20 pm #4

Bowel movement = avføring

So you did answer the question.

Good luck with this!
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Julie Stevens
Julie Stevens

August 22nd, 2008, 5:54 pm #5

Hello! I need some input. My baby just turned 1 month old, and he's the most precious thing in the world =) He's growing and growing every day, and is overall a happy and peaceful child. BUT he's since he was about 1 week old REALLY been struggeling with his stomach. It started mild, but it has just become worse and worse. He's constantly (when awake) pressing and working so hard with his stomach. It sounds like he has very hard poo or air that doesn't come out. Now the last week he's also been screaming and crying from pain when he's pressing. His poo is changing between yellow and green, and is VERY liquid. So we went to the doctor, who recommended to try a powder (to make milk) for 4-5 days so that his stomach can recover a little bit. It's a powder that doesn't contain milk protein, and you can only get it in pharmacies. Expensive yes... So we're trying that now. It tastes very bad, but he's a good boy and eats it anyway. It's quite a change for me (and him!), as I'm used to breastfeeding him almost every hour, and now he gets the bottle every 3-4 hour. I'm seeing a change in him, I think he has less stomach pain. I'm hoping it gets even better in a few days and when I start breastfeeding him again. I'm currently pumping my milk and storing it in the freezer. Alot of work! But if he gets better it's definently worth it!

I wonder if any of you has had any similar problems with your babies? I've of course tried "everything" to help his stomach problems. Like not eating food like onion, cabbage, grapes and so on. And not drinking anything with bubbles. I'm also avoiding any milk products (DIFFICULT! There's milk in everything!). We're also giving him fennel tea, which calms him down a little bit, but doesn't take away the pain. Sugar water doesn't help him either. He's not the best burper, he actually just started to burp for real. The air mostly find the other way out, but not without a big struggle. It's so heartbreaking to see my baby suffering, and now when it also bothers him when he sleeps, it really has to be fixed.

Any tips?

Thank you!!
- Katarina -
Katarina:

I sent your post to my friend, Stefanie, who I know went through something similar with one of her sons. Here is her reply to you.

Julie

I so identify with what you're going through. I went through it with my youngest
son who is now 3 and eats great and poops great, just to let you know! Going
through what you're going through is awful. I remember being out of my mind
because I didn't know what to do for this child. And the Doctors didn't seem
to have many answers either. I would recommend seeing a child
gastroenterologist if you can. Sammy ended up being on a special formula too
(I forget the name but it was very expensive) and there were many nights
when I gave him a baby enema to help him poop. He used to writhe in pain.
What helped him a lot was being treated for acid reflux (even though he didn't
spit up a lot-that was a part of what was going on for him because as soon
as he started the medication he got better). Unfortunately it was a good 10
months to a year before it all went away completely-but it did get
remarkably better once he started the acid reflux meds. Hopefully you will
be able to give him your breast milk again. I was not able to-he was
bleeding from mine (in his poop)-and I couldn't cut everything out of my
diet-I had already cut out a lot. But every kid is different. I think he had
a number of allergies and the acid reflux etc...I promise you that it will
get better in time. I would ask your Dr. about acid reflux though and maybe
see a child gastroenterologist. I'm sorry for what you're going through. It
will get better!!! My boy is now 3 and wild and healthy and athletic and
smart and loves to eat and toilet trained too! Many blessings to you.

Best, Stefanie Ann Levy (2nd National Tour)
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Krissahm
Krissahm

August 22nd, 2008, 10:47 pm #6

Hey Krissahm! Thank you so much for answering! =)
He doesn't spit up much. He's done it maybe 3-4 times since he was born. And he's over a month old now. I don't really know what bowel movement is, so I can't answer that... I've tried to add pressure to his belly, doesn't help him much. The bicycling with his legs can help to get out some gas, but not always. And yes, I'm using Nutramigen! His poo is now alot thicker, and he only has one poo diaper every 24 hours. Before he had poo in every diaper I changed.. I also tried some drops that helps colic babies (it's called Minifom here), but it didn't work so well. He's fussy all around the clock unfortunately. He is getting a little better now though, after we started giving him Nutramigen. His tummy looks a little blown up and hard yes... I will go see a specialist if the Nutramigen doesn't help completely. I'll try everything for my little Aaron! Thank you for helping me!

- Katarina - mother of one
Hmmmm.....I would suggest you take him in and see a gastroenterologist. Sounds like he might have silent reflux. There are medications you can try but they are prescription. Most pediatricians here will prescribe Zantac first. Honestly, it didn't help my daughter at all. We ended up on Prilosec and Prevasid (not at the same time) and Reglan along with one of those. The Prilosec and Prevasid are acid blockers. The Reglan is to help empty the stomach quicker and more efficiently. These are typically prescribed by the Gastro as the Pediatricians here are not comfortable prescribing anything beyond Zantac. The best way to see if he has reflux is to do a Barium Swallow test. I'm not sure what it's called over there though. It's really not too terrible and that gives them a picture to see if he is refluxing or not. It's important to check it out because it sounds like he is pretty fussy a lot of the time and the main thing you want to do is get him on the acid blockers. He will be much more comfortable and won't be in pain all the time AND the acid can do a lot of damage to his esophagus which you definitely don't want to deal with! I'm sorry if I sound preachy but it's my nursing background coming thru LOL. My daughter is almost 8 now and she outgrew her reflux around 18 months and was able to handle dairy and is still fine with it. She has had some other health challenges but they are unrelated to her reflux. 10 weeks ago she had a tumor removed that was wrapped around her heart. Thank goodness it was benign and she is doing really well now. I hope that I have given you some ideas and I hope you can help your little guy feel better soon. I know I don't post much here but I had to chime in here because I do have experience with this. Please let me know if you have anymore questions.

Kris
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August 22nd, 2008, 11:04 pm #7

Hello! I need some input. My baby just turned 1 month old, and he's the most precious thing in the world =) He's growing and growing every day, and is overall a happy and peaceful child. BUT he's since he was about 1 week old REALLY been struggeling with his stomach. It started mild, but it has just become worse and worse. He's constantly (when awake) pressing and working so hard with his stomach. It sounds like he has very hard poo or air that doesn't come out. Now the last week he's also been screaming and crying from pain when he's pressing. His poo is changing between yellow and green, and is VERY liquid. So we went to the doctor, who recommended to try a powder (to make milk) for 4-5 days so that his stomach can recover a little bit. It's a powder that doesn't contain milk protein, and you can only get it in pharmacies. Expensive yes... So we're trying that now. It tastes very bad, but he's a good boy and eats it anyway. It's quite a change for me (and him!), as I'm used to breastfeeding him almost every hour, and now he gets the bottle every 3-4 hour. I'm seeing a change in him, I think he has less stomach pain. I'm hoping it gets even better in a few days and when I start breastfeeding him again. I'm currently pumping my milk and storing it in the freezer. Alot of work! But if he gets better it's definently worth it!

I wonder if any of you has had any similar problems with your babies? I've of course tried "everything" to help his stomach problems. Like not eating food like onion, cabbage, grapes and so on. And not drinking anything with bubbles. I'm also avoiding any milk products (DIFFICULT! There's milk in everything!). We're also giving him fennel tea, which calms him down a little bit, but doesn't take away the pain. Sugar water doesn't help him either. He's not the best burper, he actually just started to burp for real. The air mostly find the other way out, but not without a big struggle. It's so heartbreaking to see my baby suffering, and now when it also bothers him when he sleeps, it really has to be fixed.

Any tips?

Thank you!!
- Katarina -
...and I can empathize. I also agree with the advice given : get Aaron to a gastroenterologist at once. My daughter had gastirc reflux, and had to sleep in an infant seat for 6 mos, no lying down in case she aspirated, but there are now simple medications that can help. It was horrible to watch her grunt and writhe in pain. I'm sure unless it's a true dairy allergy you will be able to resume nursing. He may even have an anal tear if he has been constipated as well as having liquid stools.... good luck with him, and I am sure he will be just fine, but getting medical advice is important. Every baby is different.

It is so nice you an come here with a concern about your child !
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August 22nd, 2008, 11:30 pm #8

Hmmmm.....I would suggest you take him in and see a gastroenterologist. Sounds like he might have silent reflux. There are medications you can try but they are prescription. Most pediatricians here will prescribe Zantac first. Honestly, it didn't help my daughter at all. We ended up on Prilosec and Prevasid (not at the same time) and Reglan along with one of those. The Prilosec and Prevasid are acid blockers. The Reglan is to help empty the stomach quicker and more efficiently. These are typically prescribed by the Gastro as the Pediatricians here are not comfortable prescribing anything beyond Zantac. The best way to see if he has reflux is to do a Barium Swallow test. I'm not sure what it's called over there though. It's really not too terrible and that gives them a picture to see if he is refluxing or not. It's important to check it out because it sounds like he is pretty fussy a lot of the time and the main thing you want to do is get him on the acid blockers. He will be much more comfortable and won't be in pain all the time AND the acid can do a lot of damage to his esophagus which you definitely don't want to deal with! I'm sorry if I sound preachy but it's my nursing background coming thru LOL. My daughter is almost 8 now and she outgrew her reflux around 18 months and was able to handle dairy and is still fine with it. She has had some other health challenges but they are unrelated to her reflux. 10 weeks ago she had a tumor removed that was wrapped around her heart. Thank goodness it was benign and she is doing really well now. I hope that I have given you some ideas and I hope you can help your little guy feel better soon. I know I don't post much here but I had to chime in here because I do have experience with this. Please let me know if you have anymore questions.

Kris
Sounds like you have been through a lot with your little girl. I am so glad she is doing well after surgery...and I was a pediatric nurse too !
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Kris
Kris

August 23rd, 2008, 1:13 am #9

Yes we have been thru a lot lately with our little girl! She was born with a VSD which closed on its own and we were released from the Cardiologist at 2 years. I noticed she was tiring easily and decided to take her in to the Pediatrician just to be safe. She has always had a very soft heart murmur but it was very loud when we went in and after rushing her to the hospital and a million and one tests and procedures she ended up having surgery to remove the tumor two days later! She spent 5 days in Cardiac Intensive Care and then another 7 days in the step down unit and then came home. They were able to remove the entire tumor and she should have no more problems. Her heart is functioning great and she is back to her usual self. We feel so blessed to have had such wonderful care and a lot of support from family and friends to get her thru this ordeal. Not to mention a terrific health insurance policy...we only had a $100 copay for the hospitalization and $20 office visit copays! I have started getting some of the statements and I can't believe what everything costs! She is my hero! I am not currently working but was a L & D nurse and would love to go back when my kids are older.

Kris
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Julie Stevens
Julie Stevens

August 23rd, 2008, 3:40 am #10

Hmmmm.....I would suggest you take him in and see a gastroenterologist. Sounds like he might have silent reflux. There are medications you can try but they are prescription. Most pediatricians here will prescribe Zantac first. Honestly, it didn't help my daughter at all. We ended up on Prilosec and Prevasid (not at the same time) and Reglan along with one of those. The Prilosec and Prevasid are acid blockers. The Reglan is to help empty the stomach quicker and more efficiently. These are typically prescribed by the Gastro as the Pediatricians here are not comfortable prescribing anything beyond Zantac. The best way to see if he has reflux is to do a Barium Swallow test. I'm not sure what it's called over there though. It's really not too terrible and that gives them a picture to see if he is refluxing or not. It's important to check it out because it sounds like he is pretty fussy a lot of the time and the main thing you want to do is get him on the acid blockers. He will be much more comfortable and won't be in pain all the time AND the acid can do a lot of damage to his esophagus which you definitely don't want to deal with! I'm sorry if I sound preachy but it's my nursing background coming thru LOL. My daughter is almost 8 now and she outgrew her reflux around 18 months and was able to handle dairy and is still fine with it. She has had some other health challenges but they are unrelated to her reflux. 10 weeks ago she had a tumor removed that was wrapped around her heart. Thank goodness it was benign and she is doing really well now. I hope that I have given you some ideas and I hope you can help your little guy feel better soon. I know I don't post much here but I had to chime in here because I do have experience with this. Please let me know if you have anymore questions.

Kris
Kris:

Wow, that sounds scary what your daughter had to go through. I hope she is okay and on the mend. I wish her well.

Julie
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