Noel
Noel

May 4th, 2008, 12:25 am #21

Alright, let's say for the sake of the argument that ANNIE is his only success...so what? What is the point you are trying to make?
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maryanne
maryanne

May 4th, 2008, 2:51 am #22

Kristen did return to the show and even got to go on as Annie on Broadway. I'd say that is the mark of a strong person not messed up person.
WATCH THE FILM. SHE WILL NEVER COMPLETELY GET OVER BEING FIRED LIKE THAT. Strong person, messed up person, whatever,,,Do you think her response to something that happened 30 year ago is warranted in this case?
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maryanne
maryanne

May 4th, 2008, 2:57 am #23

Martin's traits that you are saying are bad or negative things, (at least that is what I think you are saying) are also the exact same traits that allowed him to take a book about a comic strip character and turn it into a Hit Broadway Musical. He obviously has something different/unique about him because he has accomplished something that very few people can say they have. If all it took was being a nice normal average person to create a Hit Broadway Musical then I think it's safe to say that there would certainly be a whole lot more of them then there are.

As far as saying that: Mr. Martin Charnin has...Annie. That's it.

I have to disagree:
http://www.mtishows.com/bio.asp?bID=3404




I never said that the man wasn't talented, wasn't a success or didn't have a vision. That's inarguable. He was, perhaps, not a model of sensitivity or humility, He seemed to have a very big ego and the inabiity to step up to plate and deal with his mistakes like a man. Its a common trait among men, Lets just admit it in his case. not a wonderful person, not a strong man, no an empathetic or kind man Ok?
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old fan
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May 4th, 2008, 1:18 pm #24

Kristen did return to the show and even got to go on as Annie on Broadway. I'd say that is the mark of a strong person not messed up person.
What courage to go back and face all the cast & crew, etc and be the standby, going on as Annie occasionally, all with good grace. That's a professional. But of course it affected her...she was being interviewed on the subject for LAT and let her emotion show. I doubt she dwells on it on a daily basis. She is living a happy successful life.
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old fan
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May 4th, 2008, 1:19 pm #25

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Tori
Tori

May 4th, 2008, 4:35 pm #26

I never said that the man wasn't talented, wasn't a success or didn't have a vision. That's inarguable. He was, perhaps, not a model of sensitivity or humility, He seemed to have a very big ego and the inabiity to step up to plate and deal with his mistakes like a man. Its a common trait among men, Lets just admit it in his case. not a wonderful person, not a strong man, no an empathetic or kind man Ok?
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Zaneeta
Zaneeta

May 4th, 2008, 8:49 pm #27

Alright, let's say for the sake of the argument that ANNIE is his only success...so what? What is the point you are trying to make?
The point I was trying to make was that Annie was his main one and only success and he is holding onto it for dear life. That was my point, and whether you agree with it or not is fine with me...and I'm not trying to bash him, just contributing my opinions to what I hope is an educated discussion
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Noel
Noel

May 5th, 2008, 2:21 am #28

I never said that the man wasn't talented, wasn't a success or didn't have a vision. That's inarguable. He was, perhaps, not a model of sensitivity or humility, He seemed to have a very big ego and the inabiity to step up to plate and deal with his mistakes like a man. Its a common trait among men, Lets just admit it in his case. not a wonderful person, not a strong man, no an empathetic or kind man Ok?
Since I do not know the man, and have never even met him, I can't come to the same conclusion as you have.

But you both are obviously entitled to your opinions.
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Noel
Noel

May 5th, 2008, 2:23 am #29

The point I was trying to make was that Annie was his main one and only success and he is holding onto it for dear life. That was my point, and whether you agree with it or not is fine with me...and I'm not trying to bash him, just contributing my opinions to what I hope is an educated discussion
Thank you for your explanation
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K-the-O ;-)
K-the-O ;-)

May 5th, 2008, 3:28 am #30

I disagree that Kristen and Joanna are "screwed up". Do they have some bad memories from the experience, yes! My daughter who was in the business is still upset that I missed her starring role in a children's theater production she did when she was 9 years old. A totally well adjusted young woman who had numerous wonderful experiences in professional theater and this is the memory she consistently brings up. A friend's daughter who booked a lead role in a Mariah Carey film-so excited told everyone-then was replaced by a family friend (the movie tanked, was probably a blessing)is still devastated by the experience, but her life went on and she is a well adjusted young adult. Unfortunately, in business these things happen. If you choose to participate in this business there are bound to be heartaches. As far as Martin not being the one to tell the girls. My daughter toured with a Martin Annie production and went through the audition process numerous times. He is hands on throughout the entire audition process and the initial rehearsals, but after that he generally steps back and puts the show in the hands of the stage manager. Perhaps because he is so involved and is so vested in the girls he picks it was too hard for him emotionally to be the one to let the girls go. If while he was in the process he was emotional it might make the firing even harder on the child. Just a thought. Our family has never had anything but positive experiences with Martin and would never look at thim as anything other than a dedicated professional. We are crazy enough to be going through the entire thing all over again with our youngest daughter for the current tour!!
We must have someone in common. I think I know who you are referring to with the Mariah Carey film
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