Zaneeta
Zaneeta

May 2nd, 2008, 10:01 pm #11

Just wacthed Julie's film, one thing I cannot let slide.

Martin Charnin.

He certainley takes enormous personal pleasure in lording over every casting session. He coud have someone pre screen for him, but he wants to be right there on the front lines grabbing little girl's shoulder, "I WANT YOU!" scorning and dismissing others, they can skiddatle OR "WE HAVE A VERY TOUGH DECISION AND WE HAVE NOT MADE IT [YET...SOOO...DONT LOSE ANY SLEEP!" sarcastic, arrogant sob!

He's sadistic and creepy. He loves plopping those lucky little waifs on his knees and giving then the good news. But delivering the bad? He is nowhere to be found! Poor pretty Kristin Vigard. He could not facce it. A stagehand was elected to deliver the news. Joanna, obviiously out of her league but Martin' choice afterall, had to avoid a face to face with the little girl he picked, so sent this shy little 12 year old a FAX IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT saying shehas been fired!! He can't sac up and have an honest conversation with a 10 yeat old that HE HAS HIRED. Unbelievable! it this very reason that kristen and joana are so screwed up today. shame on him. shame on him.
I kinda agree. I've met the man, and in my PERSONAL OPINION, he's squeezing all he can out of "Annie." What I mean is, look at Charles Strouse and Thomas Meehan. They have so many shows under their belt...Annie, Bye Bye Birdie, Hairspray, etc. Mr. Martin Charnin has...Annie. That's it. And he's at every audition, makes every decision, etc. All I'm saying is this is all he has and I feel he is squeezing every penny he can out of it. That's not to say it's a bad thing, he needs a way to make money and if he enjoys this, then good for him! But he does give sort of a "different" air, so to speak. I dunno...
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maryanne
maryanne

May 2nd, 2008, 10:45 pm #12

Right. And he comes across as a raging egomaniac. Which is fine, I guess, except for when it seems so pointedly insensitive to the kids, who are the bread and butter of the show. I mean that scene in LAT when he is grabbing kids by the shoulder, "I want to keep you and you..." like he's in the midst of some megalomaniac trance
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Christin
Christin

May 2nd, 2008, 11:47 pm #13

Just wacthed Julie's film, one thing I cannot let slide.

Martin Charnin.

He certainley takes enormous personal pleasure in lording over every casting session. He coud have someone pre screen for him, but he wants to be right there on the front lines grabbing little girl's shoulder, "I WANT YOU!" scorning and dismissing others, they can skiddatle OR "WE HAVE A VERY TOUGH DECISION AND WE HAVE NOT MADE IT [YET...SOOO...DONT LOSE ANY SLEEP!" sarcastic, arrogant sob!

He's sadistic and creepy. He loves plopping those lucky little waifs on his knees and giving then the good news. But delivering the bad? He is nowhere to be found! Poor pretty Kristin Vigard. He could not facce it. A stagehand was elected to deliver the news. Joanna, obviiously out of her league but Martin' choice afterall, had to avoid a face to face with the little girl he picked, so sent this shy little 12 year old a FAX IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT saying shehas been fired!! He can't sac up and have an honest conversation with a 10 yeat old that HE HAS HIRED. Unbelievable! it this very reason that kristen and joana are so screwed up today. shame on him. shame on him.
I disagree with you all. I can't believe this line of posting. It upsets me! What if people talked about you this way. You are all spending your time posting on an "Annie" site. I would assume that you are Annie Fan and not Trolls.
There would be no Annie without Martin Charnin. And the opportunites of little girls would not be there if it wasn't for this man. This thread should be deleted!
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maryanne
maryanne

May 3rd, 2008, 12:12 am #14

Oh please. If, having watched LAT, this subject was never brought up, i would think it was weird. it's an interesting topic based on real life events. No one is perfect, everyon ein public life is up for scrutiny, so what? If it were "taboo", why would julie put those scenes in the film? Everybody knows this stuff and it's stupid to not "talk about it", like we're two years old.
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Noel
Noel

May 3rd, 2008, 9:03 am #15

You're right, I am sorry i sounded harsh. i got a very strong reaction from the documentary and from both the girl's stories who had gotten the boot in such a sneaky and indirect manner. I do feel strongly that if Martin had spoken directly to these girls, he would have made the transition for them so much easier. They liked and respected him. And after all, it WAS his mistake. Firing a child cannot be easy but is so much harder for the child than for the firer. If I were him I would have done anything to help make it easier for those little girls. Does anyone disagree?
Did you ever consider that maybe the way he handled it, was the way he thought it would be easiest on the girls? What could he have possibly gained by purposely firing them in a manner that would have made the whole situation even worse for them (and everyone else involved) than it already was?

While I agree that both situations were unfortunate it is a business and both girls chose to be in the business. And let's not forget that along with the bad came an awful lot of good as well. They both had many wonderfully positive and memorable experiences that they woouldn't have had had it not been for Martin and the show.

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Noel
Noel

May 3rd, 2008, 10:07 am #16

Right. And he comes across as a raging egomaniac. Which is fine, I guess, except for when it seems so pointedly insensitive to the kids, who are the bread and butter of the show. I mean that scene in LAT when he is grabbing kids by the shoulder, "I want to keep you and you..." like he's in the midst of some megalomaniac trance
Martin's traits that you are saying are bad or negative things, (at least that is what I think you are saying) are also the exact same traits that allowed him to take a book about a comic strip character and turn it into a Hit Broadway Musical. He obviously has something different/unique about him because he has accomplished something that very few people can say they have. If all it took was being a nice normal average person to create a Hit Broadway Musical then I think it's safe to say that there would certainly be a whole lot more of them then there are.

As far as saying that: Mr. Martin Charnin has...Annie. That's it.

I have to disagree:
http://www.mtishows.com/bio.asp?bID=3404





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Julie Smith
Julie Smith

May 3rd, 2008, 12:35 pm #17

Did you ever consider that maybe the way he handled it, was the way he thought it would be easiest on the girls? What could he have possibly gained by purposely firing them in a manner that would have made the whole situation even worse for them (and everyone else involved) than it already was?

While I agree that both situations were unfortunate it is a business and both girls chose to be in the business. And let's not forget that along with the bad came an awful lot of good as well. They both had many wonderfully positive and memorable experiences that they woouldn't have had had it not been for Martin and the show.
Kristen did return to the show and even got to go on as Annie on Broadway. I'd say that is the mark of a strong person not messed up person.
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Tori
Tori

May 3rd, 2008, 3:19 pm #18

Martin's traits that you are saying are bad or negative things, (at least that is what I think you are saying) are also the exact same traits that allowed him to take a book about a comic strip character and turn it into a Hit Broadway Musical. He obviously has something different/unique about him because he has accomplished something that very few people can say they have. If all it took was being a nice normal average person to create a Hit Broadway Musical then I think it's safe to say that there would certainly be a whole lot more of them then there are.

As far as saying that: Mr. Martin Charnin has...Annie. That's it.

I have to disagree:
http://www.mtishows.com/bio.asp?bID=3404




Let's face it he only has Annie as a success. He may have done other things but be honest.
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Christin
Christin

May 3rd, 2008, 4:43 pm #19

And he has the TONY! I'd love to have even one of those in my lifetime. So, those of you with all the comments, - "what do you have to show for your life?"

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Laura
Laura

May 3rd, 2008, 11:47 pm #20

Let's face it he only has Annie as a success. He may have done other things but be honest.
I would love to have that "only" success. However, there are many successful shows that are regional or cabaret or showcases. Broadway is not the only theatrical venue. Looking at his list of associates over the years, I would include all of those as successes.
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