Lion's vs Tiger's who is the superior fighter in the wild and captive?

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2:49 AM - Jul 07, 2012 #1

I'm a big fan of this site, I love that everyone has such great information on these two majestic beast an of course I wouldent want them to fight on our accord, but more of there own. I Love the lion and the tiger pretty equally an I figure since there's so many people favoring the tiger on this site, I'll back the lion up this time around. So I'm looking foward in a clash of the best data everyone can get there hand's on.
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- I'll like to state the 4 main catagorie's of which titan has more point's, which are... - Who has the superior.... {Anatomy/Attribute's} - Who has more abundence of.... {Historical Document's/Artifact's} - Who has more credaitable.... {Opinion's of Big cat expert's/Sceintist/Zoologist/Owner's of both on who'd win} - Who has more {Account's of defeating and killing the other} - So let's get it started...
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3:06 AM - Jul 07, 2012 #2

I guess I'll be the first to start it off with Who has the ={More Opinion's of Big cat expert's/Sceintist/Zoologist/Owner's of both on who'd win}
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1.Tiger an lion Expert Dave hoover, said lions are the better fighter’s.



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2.Indian Zooligist Jam sahib exploit’s bias cat enthusiasist “Karish singe” an witnesses 4 ocasian’s lion’s beat tiger’s an give’s his opinon on lion’s

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3. Animal Trainer and Expert Louis Roth, favors the lion over the
tiger in a fight. In his book

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4.Animal Expert Alfred court, thinks the lion wins over the tiger in a fight[Book]

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5.Animal Trainer John Helliot, favors the lion over the tiger in a fight he’s the guy on the right hand side of clyde beatty who also had a lion kill a polar bear article

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6.Animal Expert Dave Salmoni, says he’d give the edge to a lion in a
fight with a tiger.

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7.Animal Tamer Clyde Beatty, said lions will win 9/10 against tigers.

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8.Animal enthusiast and poet Oliver Goldsmith, ranked the lion over the tiger who had many year's working with trading an studying many animal's...


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9.Animal Expert an Tamer Courtney cooper, said lions usually win more
in tiger fights. In her book she state’s
LIONS"N"TIGERS"N"EVERYTHING 1924 By Courtney Riley Cooper.
Page 32, I like the tiger cat more than I like the lion cat.
Page 68, lions are "King Of Beasts"
Page 70, lion kills a tiger in a very brutal fight.
Page 78, Cooper says lion is "King Of Beasts" and a good father.
Pages 84-85, FEMALE tiger kills heavier MALE tiger defending her cubs.

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10.Poet an painter an animal enthusiast Geroge Buffon, picked lions over tigers in a fight., who had been part of renaged's in transporting lion's and tiger's...


11. Big cat trainer Jim Chipperfeild support’s the lion in a fight with a tiger.
{Lion vs tiger Book}


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12..Big cat trainer Edward. jewitt wheeler, say’s the lion is superior to the tiger. {Lion vs tiger Book}


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13.Big cat tamer, Isac kaufman funk, agree;s lions are superior to tiger’s.
{Lion vs tiger Book}


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14.Lion an tiger trainer, Willam seaver wood’s, say’s a lion would beat a tiger.
{Lion vs tiger Book}

/i43.tower.com/images/mm100619524/lion-vs-tiger-isabel-thomas-hardcover-cover-art.jpg">http://i43.tower.com/imag...-hardcover-cover-art.jpg

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17.Marco peter’s lion and tiger trainer say’s male tigers are afraid of male lion’s.

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19.Indian zooligist Kalish shankala say’s lion’s beat tiger’s due to mane’s.

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21. Lee Yong Phil zoo keeper say’s lion’s dominate tiger’s.
http://animal-tigers.blog...-tigers-in-everland.html
24. Circus performer an big cat owner Geroge conklin say’s in his book the male lion has the advantages over other cat’s

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25. Beatty cole state’s that lion’s do kill tiger’s

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26.Caroll soo holl apperntly know’s lion’s are capable of killing male tiger’s

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27. Burt Nelson say’s lions usally whips the tiger’s

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28.Entire team of Tiger territory a site that has 200 page’s of studying information dedicated to the tiger, has a confirmation that lion’s are superior to tiger’s in fighting

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29.1842 animal new’s article having a trainer of all animal’s…saying lion’s were the most dominate animal and feared more above tiger’s.

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30.The mengerine…Lions will not stay in the same cage with tigers. We tried this once, putting a lioness in with a Bengal tiger. There was a fierce fight and the lioness nearly killed the Bengal."Chapter V11
http://www.circushistory.org/History/OnRoad2.htm
31. Caviar and Cabbage [Book] Melvin B. Tolson .
Tolson was the professor, poet and writer portrayed by Denzel Washington in
The Great Debaters , which is based on a true story from 1935 America.
http://www.marcnorton.us/93588/102643.html
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32. Sir Samuel w. baker has carefully compared the strength and other qualitie’s of the lion an tiger an he decide’s in favor of the lion.
http://www.oldandsold.com/articles35/animals-2.shtml
http://books.google.com/b...LH4oHjBw&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAw

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33. THE CATS OF SHAMBALA 1985 By Tippi Hedren and Theodore Taylor
Page 176, tigers are the original scaredy-cat. Although most ferocious under certain conditions, adults are scared silly over numerous odd things. Thunder and Lightning which a lion takes in stride, panics a tiger. Silver reflectors scare tigers, if you want to take over a room full of tigers walk in wearing a silver suit. In the movie ROAR a big siberian tiger name ivan backs down from a tiny lion cub. Tippi Hedren is a former actress that has lions and tigers and other animals on her compound in Acton,Ca.
34. Animal Planet team of zoologist enthusiast and scientist, concluded the lion would win in a fight with a tiger…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_PHs-kbypo
35. Interesting read on Dr.Sc Giuliano Russini view on Lions and Tigers.

...African lion presents phenomena of aggressiveness which, contrary to what is thought render it more dangerous in the wild than the tiger and more difficult to manage in captivity, as observed by the zoological biologists.... This caused by overheating corporeal overheating phenomena, is in fact a handicap in case of prolonged fights, drawback not found in the lion who, as they say, “will struggle up to the death”.Same can be said for the fighting techniques, which all stand in favour of the Panthera leo ,accustomed, as it is, to face in the savannah a great variety of preys and competitors, in comparison with the solitary tiger....
http://www.photomazza.com/?Panthera-tigris
36. Circuss owner an big cat owner Geroge conklin say’s lion’s are stronger in term’s of pure power.
http://www.readbookonline.net/read/53518/99655/
37. 36. Randy miller favor’s a lion against a tiger in a fight.
38. Craig busch favor’s a lion over a tiger in a fight.
39.Lion’s have harder strike’s, shown in this clip hitting a bigger and hevier tiger the mane dosent weigh that much, it’s just very thick an dense hair an by the size of the tiger, his mass look’s even the same size of the lion’s mane, concluding the tiger is hevier an the lion still outpower’s him by bashing him with the usual haymaker’s lion’s throw, in the same instance the tiger threw first, yet the lion’s more powerful strike’s goes right threw the tiger’s attempt for a double strike which they usually use to grab , but the lion strike’s with such percsion an power he bashes the tiger so hard, he completely fliped the tiger on his back a meter away…


40. Lion’s are stronger in the front limb’s there bigger, taller, broader and stronger shoulder’s aid’s them in being better fighter’s an out wrestle’s tiger’s…


41. Pound for pound lion’s are way stronger than tiger’s, this lion look’s bigger but it’s only because of the mane, both lion and tiger are about the same size, yet he still hit’s harder, also chasing off the competition as they usually do, due to dominant trait’s of the male lion…also proving a lot of expert’s correct as tiger’s only throw wildly not accurately, in this fight the tiger misses 6 time’s an mostly all other fight’s tiger’s always’s miss more than 50% fighting a lion, here…


42. people like to use this video as the tiger is winning? It only prove’s what 80% of animal trainers an expert’s say…which is tiger’s are explosive fighter’s an tire themselve’s out quickly aiding there poor stamina, but how many time’s did the tiger land any thing at all? Let’s count them 1st lunge, barly nips the mane…which lunge’s cost energy…2nd lunge, misses which cost energy…3rd lunge misses…which cost’s energy, By doing so the lion is only using superior fighting tactic’s of dodging because they hardly clinch as tiger’s do, This video prove’s the other video^^^ that tiger’s have very poor accurate swipe’s more of just swinging wind mill’s along with the end every swipe is absorbed by the mane as the tiger must reap what hit’s his head area…


43. 80% of swipe or bite is protected by the mane, as you can see the mane protect’s bite’s that can usually add up on a tiger, yet it has no effect on the lion in terms the lion can completely focus what he is doing which is draging around and mauling the tiger, which in the big cat fight world, every bite count’s…


44.Even when the tiger is bigger lion’s have stronger front limb’s shown here a smaller lioness out fighting and out powering a bigger tiger…


45.Zoologist graph of the usual outcome

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3:34 AM - Jul 07, 2012 #3

Before I cover the historical artifact's and account's, I like to point out to everyone, that I have came across alot of bullcrap faked account's, I am not adressing anyone, or the tiger. As I said I love the tiger to a tee, though I just dont understand why people would tarnish his name by lying on behalf of the tiger, which the tiger has already shown that he can contend with any other predator on earth, so why the need to lie so extensively? I dont know... but I'll point out alot of fake and bullcrap leverage's that has been exploited, here we go...
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Exploited and faked account’s and bullcrap leverage’s
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#1.Everland of white tiger killing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3P3sptnCUI
Now first of all, the article say’s the lion was new, which is bullcrap… that lion is named cameron who was with that zoo since he was a cub and came in with that tigress named Zabu who are now with big cat rescue.
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Now look at these picture’s of them playing, an tell me exactly how is the camera man suppose to have get that picture he took at that distance before the people who patrol the zoo’s with there car’s always’s broke up fight’s hundred’s of time’s? And how’s this camera man suppose to get that shot at that persice moment it happened when the distance are so flush and looks as the exact distnace as these right here…
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http://bigcatrescue.org/w...-Tiger-BCR-002012Mar.jpg
http://b.vimeocdn.com/ts/181/445/181445824_640.jpg
http://downloads.thedaily...te-lion-tiger-4-662w.jpg
http://news.xinhuanet.com...0-02/13/13174835_11n.jpg
http://bigcatrescue.org/w...012-Steve-bigcats322.jpg
http://www.bigcatfun.com/...e/camnzabu/thumb94-8.jpg
http://www.bigcatfun.com/...alentine-CamNzabu003.jpg
http://www.bigcatfun.com/...alentine-CamNzabu007.jpg
http://bigcatfun.com/wall...asterBCR-CamNzabu004.jpg
http://bigcatrescue.org//...TigerPhotosLiger1163.jpg
http://media-cache0.pinte...916127300_baFa6dcy_b.jpg
http://b.vimeocdn.com/ts/181/445/181445824_640.jpg
http://bigcatrescue.org//...ameronWhiteTigerLion.jpg
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Here’s a Url saying zabu cleaning cameron XD
http://a3.ec-images.myspa...c7cff8fc70c6c9f2be/l.jpg
one picture frame away… does it look familiar? XD XD
http://www.pictures-of-ca...versus-lion-21608800.jpg Oh what’s that is that a name I see on the top corner of the page.

Huh! That’s right caught in the act, I’m a landscaper and ground’s keeper for 8 year’s and studyed the biology of hundred’s of different grasses, and the grass in the picture with the so call death and Cameron’s and zmabu collection of picture’s are the same. I even emailed everland’s resort and they stated that, that never happened and cameron the lion is still alive today. You don’t belive, then here, here’s there contact email and phone number to get a hold of them, yourself…
http://www.everland.com/M...ort/introduce/intro.html
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#2 Here’s another lying punk, who said there was 6 lion’s used on 1 tiger Huh! Really 6, give me a break, here it is…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GXoKnG4ksY
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Here’s a person graphing all the tiger’s showing just like a human’s finger print, no tiger has the same stripe’s, showing there was indeed 3 lion’s vs 3 tiger’s like the real movie’s narrirator said.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBdpiIxMnMM
Ive seen the original video, it had nothing to do with them fighting it was a documentaion of all the animal’s of india, and none on youtube have the original, which suppose to have a narrirator talking, stating that beside’s all the animal’s they descirbed for the fight scene the lion’s and tiger’s that fought the tiger’s couldent land a death grip and gassed them selve’s out. But lion #2 mauled the big male tiger.
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#3Another one is junglar the fighting tiger who killed 31 lion’s. this is a fake account and a missprint. First there was an article that had numbering’s of junglar killing them with the number’s 31, after I confronted the guy who showed it, I told him I read 4 document’s of junglar an they stated he didn’t fight any lion’s he was famous for killing a lot buffalo’s and was the first tiger who brought down a rhino, who a few tiger’s failed to do. Who also he killed a few other tiger’s and said it must have been a misprint because I know the king of oude had very few lion’s.
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This mook then stated I was lieing, and showed a revised one saying in wording, look now…. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/..._SBctIVNkmc/s1600/j3.jpg It say’s thirthy one lion’s in wording’s you cant misprint letter’s, and I’m lieing about the what I’m saying. XD XD Then I said you were caught in the act because when you revised the new one that said wording’s of the number’s the date you edited it was still there an this one has a different name from junglar to gunga … an I said okay here’s where it state’s the King of oude had only 3 lion’s, here…
www.abaa.org/books/297312243.html - 14k
www.amazon.com/Private-Life- Eastern -King -Nussir.../1108046703 - 178k
http://www.google.com/sea...oude+&btnG=Google+Search
http://books.google.com/b...y_W.html?id=c2wBAAAAQAAJ
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In those site’s and those book’s, they state the King of oude had only 3 lion’s it look’s almost uncanny that he just put 1 after 3 to make 31, than changed it in another to wording’s to make it look lgeit and after confronting him with the real document’s he never replyed back hmmm…I wonder why? XD
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#4 Jackjacksonj site had claimed he had 367 account’s I mixed and matched all the account’s and he had around only 30 that mean’s he leid on 330 account’s, which I posted the answer sheet you can go threw below also on his site I left all the one’s he lied on in his guest book and blog. that tiger did NOT win sixty battles, and the pic does not state he kiled them. here is the FULL quote;

Public Opinion: A Comprehensive Summary of the Press Throughout the World on ... - Page 760
1899

At least, fifty or sixty battles were fought victoriously by him with nearly as
many different seals who coveted his position ; and when the fighting season ...

and, here is the link, in case you don`t believe me;
http://books.google.com/b...ixty+battles+were+fought
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You see ^^^ that’s how he merged 2 different article’s to make this…
http://i268.photobucket.c...7a40c388da2a372e026f.jpg
That’s why after the word’s there are three dot’s like this {…} showing they are not in the same article which this is the article he changed 1 account into 60 from.

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Now in this site he claim's he has 367 account's of lion's killing tiger's, I noticed his account #4 was also repeated in his #88 an #352. They are the same account, so exact that even the mispelled word's are exact, he just changed the head line of the article to swap the date's. He would have gotton away with it, if he hadent put the fake account #4 with the real account #352 on the same site.
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So I said to my self, if a person was going to lie on 60 account's in 1 crack, would he lie on other's??? Absolutly. So I craked open a 12 pack of good oh budweiser an told myself GAME ON!!! For hour's I mixed an matched all his so call 367 account's, to find only 30 account's. The rest were repeat's of the same account, only opinion's which had no fight's an faked account's. The only 30 had 80% of smaller female lion's being killed by bigger male tiger's, which we all know the male lion's are the fighter's an junglar aka gunga has been exploited showing the king of oude had only 3 lion's not 31.
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Here is a answer sheet of all the fake account's on jackjacksonj's site, an only repeat's an opinon's on his site so go to the link above an see yourself with these exploiting a lion hater.
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A STANDS FOR ACOUNTS= WHICH IS TRUE OR/AN HAS RESOURCES
B STANDS FOR BULLSHIT= and BIAS TALK, OR FAKE WORDINGS THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED
O STANDS FOR OPINION= IDEAS OF FANS TO EXPERTS IN WHO MIGHT WIN, NO FIGHTS
R STANDS FOR REPEAT=A REPEAT COPY OF THE SAME OCCAISION
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1.A TRUE BUT HAS OTHER ALIBIES OF LIONS WINNING AS WELL
2.O NO FIGHT
3.B THERE ARE LION ACCOUNTS AND POOR RESOURCES
4.B COPY OF NUMBER 88 CHANGED WORDINGS FROM NUMBER 352 NO 60 DEATHS
64.A TRUE
65.B CHANGED WORDINGS HORRIBLE GRAMMAR FAKED
66.A TRUE BUT ONLY 1 LION DIED BILL THE LION NOT FOUR LIONS
69.A TRUE YET WHAT ABOUT THE TIGER???
70.O NO RESOURCE FROM ROY CHAPMAN WHO’S MENTIONING AN OLD FIGHT SO NO FIGHT.
71.O NO FIGHT
72.A NO DEATH IT SAYS PERHAPS
73.B IT WAS IN NAWARANGA WITH TONS OF ACCOUNTS ALIBIING SINGE LIONS WON
77.A TRUE
78.A NO DEATHS
79.A CLYDE BEATTY LOST 4 TIGERS AFTER 3 MORE WILL BE ANY OTHES ARE REPEATS
80.R REPEATING MENAGERIE
81.A LOOKS AS A REPEAT WITH NO RESOURCE
82.R REPEATING OF ROMAN TIMES
83.A A 2X TIGER BIGGER KILLED A SMALL FEMALE LION
84.O NO FIGHT
85.P WHERE IN THE ROMAN DAYS???
86.O WHAT FIGHT WHERE???
87.B NO FIGHT ONLY ASUMPTIONS
88.B REPEAT OF NUMBER 4 CHANGED WORDINGS FROM 352
89.B REPEATING NUMBER 77
90.B POOR RESOURCES LOOKS AS IF ITS TALKING POLITICS?
91.A THOUGH ON A CRPPILED LION
92.R REPEATING ROMAN DAYS
93.A TRUE
95.B WHERE THE ROMAN DAYS???
96.R REPEATING ROY CHAPMAN SAME RESOURCE
98.O NO IT SAYS THEY ARE FRIENDS ONLY PLAYING ROUGH NO DEATH
99.R REPEATING ROMAN DAYS
100.O NO DEATHS ONLY ASSUMPTIONS ON ROMAN DAYS
101.R OF NUMBER 64
102.A TRUE
103.B NO DEATH
104.O EVEN PARKER SAID BY NATURE STANDARDS LIONS WIN BECAUSE OF PRIDES
105.R OF NUMBER 72
106.O NO DEATHS
107.O NO FIGHT
108.R OF ROMAN DAYS
109.A TRUE
110.O NO FIGHTS
111.O YES BUT NO KILLS SO CAN A LION
112.B WHERE??? POOR GRAMMAR EVEN ITS TRUE THAT’S TWO ON ONE
113.B IT WAS AN ACT NO DEATHS ANYWAY
120.O NO DEATHS
121.R REPEATING ROMAN TIMES WITH SAME SOURCE
120.O AND NO DEATHS
121.R REPEAT OF ROMAN DAYS SAME SOURCE
122.A BUT NO DEATH
123.A BUT NO DEATH
124.A BUT NO DEATH
125.A MORE PROOF
126.R REPEATING ROMAN TIMES
127.R REPEATING ROMAN TIMES SAME SOURCE
128.R REPEATING ROMAN TIMES SAME SOURCE
129.R OF CHARLES DARWIN
130.R OF NUMBER 77
131.O NOT IN ENGLISH
132.O WHERE CAN AFRICAN MEET A BENGAL IN THE WILD???
133.R OF NUMBER 132 WHICH TITLE IS ON MEDICINE???
134.R REPEATING NUMER 133
135.R REPETING ROMAN TIMES
136.O NO FIGHT
137.A MORE PROOF???
138.R REPRAT OF ROMAN TIMES SAME SOURCE
139.A BUT NO DEATH
140.O NO FIGHT
141.B SINGH HAD 4 ACCOUNTS LIONS WON
142.A MORE PROOF???
143.O NO FIGHT
144.R OF NUMBER 143
145.R OF 141
148.O WHERE???
149.R OF NUMBER 70
150.R OF ROMAN TIMES AME SOURCE
152.O NO FIGHTS
153.B CHANGE WORDINGS OLIVER GOLD SMITH DUBBED LIONS ABOVE ALL
154.O NO FIGHTS
155.R OF 148
156.R OF CLYDE BEATTYS SAME INCIDENT
157.O REPEATING OF THE ROMAN DAYS
158.O NO FIGHT
159.O REPEATING OF THE ROMAN DAYS
160.R OF 159
161.R OF 158
162.O NO FIGHT
163.0 NO FIGHT
164.A BUT NO DEATH
165.A BUT NO DEATH
166.A BUT NO DEATH
167.R CLYDE BEATTYS SAME ACT
168.O AND R
169.O WITH NO PROOF
170.R OF 169
171.O WITH NO PROOF
172.O WITH NO PROOF
174.A LIONS WON
175.A BUT NO DEATHS CHESTER WAS RAISED WITH ALL THOSE LIONS
182.R REPEATING REX THE TIGER
186.O WITH NO PROOF
187.R OF BANGALORE ZOOLIGICAL GARDENS
188.A LOOKS LIKE 187 AN 189
189.A LOOKS LIKE 188 AN187
190. A MORE PROOF???
192.A NO DEATH
193.R REPEATING CLYDE BEATTYS ACT
194.R REPEATING CLYDE BEATTYS ACT
200.R REPEATING CLYDE BEATTYS ACT
201.O WITH OUT PROOF
202.O AND REPEATING ROMAN DAYS
203.O WITH NO PROOF
204.O WITH NO PROOF
205.O WITH NO PROOF
206.B WHERE???
207.O JUST NAMING ATTRIBUTES
208.R REPEATING ROMAN TIMES
209.A MORE PROOF
210.B JUST NAMIMG ATTRIBUTES
211.B JUST NAMING OPINIONS
212.O JUST NAMING ATTRIBUTES
213.R REPEATING ROMAN DAYS SAME SOURCE
214.R OF MARTIAL
215.R OF ONLY ATTRIBUTES NO FIGHTS
216.R OF 70 CHAPMAN ANDREW SAME SOURCE
217.B NOTHING ON TOPIC
218.R OF NUMER 216
219.B NO FIGHT
220.B ONLY OPINIONS
221.A MORE PROOF
222.R REPEATING GEORGE WOODS AN CHANGED WORDINGS
223.B ONLY NAMING ATTRIBUTES
224.B ONLY NAMING ATTRIBUTES
225.R OF ROMAN TIMES SAME SOURCE
226.B ONLY NAMING ATTRIBUTES
227.A BUT NO DEATHS OR WHO WON???
228.R OF CLYDE BEATTYS ACT
229.B NAMING NOTHING
230.R OF BULL TIGER AN LION FIGHT.
231.R OF NO DEATH OF FIGHT
232.A TIGER KILLS LION CUBS/ HUMANS KILLED LION
233.R OF NO DEATH
234.B NO DEATH
235.R OF ROMAN TIMES
236.R OF NUMBER 137
245. O WITH NO FIGHT
246.R OF NUMBER 165
247.R OF ATTRIBUTES OF BALANCE NO FIGHTS
248.R OF CLYDE BEATTY ACTS
248.R TWICE AS 248 NUMBER NOFIGHT
249.A NO DEATHS OF ANY
250.B CHANGED WORDINGS OF ZOOLIGICAL GARDENS WHICH HAD PROOF
251.B NO DEATH ONLY PAST SPRWLS
252.O NAIMING ONLY TRAITS
253.A MORE PROOF???
254.A TRUE
255.R MENAGERIE
256.A BOTH KILLING EACH OTHER BUT NO NUMBER COUNT
257.R OF NUMBER 70 ROY CHAPMAN JUST FROM A DIFFERENT SOURCE
258.R OF ROMAN TIMES SAME SOURCE
290.B ONE TIGER KILLED 31 LIONS WHERE???
291.R ROMAN TIMES
292.R OF 256
293.B A TIGER KILLS A TIGER NO LION FIGHT
295.B ONLY A DEBATE
296.O ON NOTHING BUT HYPE/ NO FIGHT
297.B THERES NOTHING???
298.A TRUE
299.REPEAT OF
300.R OF NUMBER 73
301.B NO VICTORY
302.B NO FIGHT ONLY ASUMPTIONS
303.B NO FIGHT ONLY ASSUMPTIONS
304.B NO FIGHT
305. NOFIGHT ONLY IDEAS
306.O NO FIGHT
307.A/O THERES OTHERS SAY IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
308.R REPEAT ON MENAGERIE
309.O NO DEATH
310.R ROMAN DAYS SAME SOURCE
312.B NO FIGHT ONLY BIAS MABEL TALKING CRAP
313.B THERES NOTHING
314.B ITS EXPLAING AN EXPLANTION OF PRONOUNCIATION NO FIGHT
315.O WHERE???
316.R SAME STRORY THAT INVOLVES THE TIGER AN BOY
317.A TRUE
318.R REPEATING CLYDE BEATTYS ACTS
319.R REPEATING ROMAN DAYS
320.R REPEATING BRUSE HERALD
321.O NO FIGHTS
322.A BUT NO DEATHS
323.O NO FIGHT
324.R STORY REPEATING NUMBER 321
325.A TRUE
326.A MORE PROOF???
327.B MORE PROOF OF WHAT RESORCE???
328.A. MORE PROOF
329.R REPEATING GERALD.L. WOOD
330.R REPEATING GERALD .L. WOOD
331.B NO FIGHT NO LION EVEN MENTIONED
332.R OF NUMBER 316
333.B YOU CANT SEE ANYTHING
334.R REPEATING ONLY AN OPINION ON BALANCE
335.B NO FIGHT ONLY A GUESSING GAME
336.O AND REPEATING 335 POSIBBLY METIONING LIONS WON,
337.R REPEATING THE TIGER SAVES THE PERSON IN ITALY
338.A NO DEATHS
339.R REPEATING THE CALCUTTA ZOO EVEN WITH CHANGED WORDINGS
340.R OF LIONS IN HER THROES
341.A TRUE
342.A NO DEATH
343.O THEY WERE ALL RAISED TOGERTHER WITH NO FIGHTS
344.0 NO FIGHT
345.O NO FIGHT
346.O NO FIGHT
347.O NO FIGHT
348.O NO FIGHT
349.A NO DEATH
350.O NO DEATHS
351.O NO FIGHT
352.A/R AND THIS IS WHERE NUMMER 4 WAS CHANGED FROM THE 60 DEATHS
352.R OF EDMONDS MENAGARERIE BOTH UNDER NUMBER 252
353.O NO VICTOR
354.O NO FIGHT
355.R OF ROMAN TIMES
356.O AN CANT READ ANYTHING
357.R BRONX ZOO
358.A NO DEATHS
359.O NO FIGHT
360.A TRUE
361.R OF RAJAH THE TIGER
362.A NO DEATHS
363.O NO DEATHS
364.R REPEATING CAGED INCIDENT WHICH ALSO LIONS HAVE AS WELL
365.O NO FIGHT
366.R OF ZOOLGICAL GARDENS
367.R OF SINGH WHO ALSO HAS LION ACCOUNTS WINNING

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#5 The same idiot who made the account of 6 lion’s with Gir has many account’s on you tube, here’s another one of his faked one’s of being a lion hater…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eqWZJtdhCc
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And here’s the real account he changed the wording’s from…
` http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyOG0SYNmjA `
Even saying that the lion’s were african…, leo presica is the closer relitaive to the barbary lion which astiatic lions have 70% more chance’s to grow belly mane’s due to the indian humidity of dense forest’s which the male’s in the gir video had belly mane’s, It is rare for african lion’s to ever grow belly mane’s, here’s example’s of how the asiatic and african lion look differ…
African lion's no belly mane, an barly look's like the gir video fight lions...
http://tanzaniabiggame.co...nts/images/male-lion.jpg
http://image.shutterstock...outh-africa-24162400.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/...40/Captive-Male-Lion.jpg
http://media.web.britanni...55/2155-004-C6B1F0F4.jpg
http://www.gambassa.com/G...n_lion_img_6635mw_V1.jpg
http://www.kilam-malik.ne...africa/pho_lion_male.jpg
http://www.visualphotos.c..._carcass_293jla00176.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/...s1600/african+lion+4.jpg
http://www.corbinmaxey.co...als/44/Blog/P1010440.JPG
http://farm4.staticflickr...18_bdcaf7deed_z.jpg?zz=1
http://i1228.photobucket....sLionBody605-18-2011.jpg

Asiatic lion's who have belly mane's an look like the Gir video fight lion's.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/...on_Persica_Indian_17.jpg
http://www.profimedia.cz/...adDetailLarge/0006581357
http://upload.wikimedia.o...era_leo_persica_male.jpg
http://www.alamy.com/THUM...FA2BC8633D%7D/A0C43P.JPG
http://us.123rf.com/400wm...le-lion-on-the-prowl.jpg
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#6 Ton’s of people use Prison of the harem with performing acting lions and tiger’s as an account, which say’s the tiger killed the lion, http://4.bp.blogspot.com/...l4/s320/sdfaasdfadsf.JPG
XD That’s only people reading the story’s plot, that the tiger killed the lion,, he didn’t actually die, it was only a scene for the movie no lion’s were ever killed for any movie. Only the movie the big cage, had 3 tiger’s die, one was bobby the tiger the star for the movie and other 2 were suppose to have been the star of defeating the lion ceasar, for the scrpit the director wanted a tiger winning…but the first 2 tiger’s died so fast that there wasent any footage to be recorded, but Bobby was the one who was aired in the movie, who Cesar killed. Shown in this article shown 3/4th’s the way down this page here…
http://wildanimalelite.yu...er-fight-accounts?page=1
Clyde beatty was asked in general who beat’s who, which he stated lion’s would gang up on tiger’s though only if they are intermidiate family member’s… like brother’s or son’s and father’s, in many other article’s he state’s lion’s are exlellent free for all fighter’s where tiger’s cant handle the pressure of those bout’s, also the big cage exhibition for the movie was 1 on 1 in demand from the director, not clyde beatty who is only the trainer, who stated he actually dident want the fight in many article’s, but if he dident take the role some other person unexperinced, would have gotton killed.
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#7 More tiger killed lion bullcrap faked account’s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCBErSJ6h5U
#8 Ankara incident 2011 bullcrap account it wasn’t a male tiger it was a female it didnt even happen in 2011 it happened in 2010 september 4th.
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#9 The big cage movie, people said it was a female tiger, clyde beatty the person who trained those lion’s an tiger’s said his name was Bobby as in a guy’s name Bobby vs Ceasar here’s a pic of the male tiger as you can see it’s a male what do male’s have female’s don’t? Ball’s….. lol
http://i209.photobucket.c...%20Cage/Five-BigCage.jpg
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Here's another...
http://i53.photobucket.co...ion-Tiger/4285694_1d.jpg
- http://i53.photobucket.co...r/NewpaperLion-Tiger.jpg
An here’s a person who work’s at the zoo, claiming there was no fight^^^

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--80% OF Tiger account’s are of male tiger’s killing female lion’s. an under age lions, which we all know the male lion’s are the fighter’s…you know size, dominace, testosterone power, mintality, here’s there account’s of all female lion’s being killed by male tiger’s
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1.Male tiger kill’s Lioness in bangalore, 1954
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2.Male Tiger kill’s lioness in Mysore, 1946
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/...R9XftEbJk/s1600/viro.JPG
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3.Male tiger kills lioness in Milan 1951
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4.Male tiger kills lioness in culcutta mengerine.
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4.Male tiger kill’s female lion in marco peter’s reserve.
http://i853.photobucket.c...onusuallywhipsatiger.jpg
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5.John varty’s biggest Male tiger named Seatao, kills savana the lioness in tiger canyon.
http://www.wandahennig.co...E2%80%99s-tiger-canyons/
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6.Burr robin’s circuss male tiger kill’s fermale lion.
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7.Male tiger kills lioness 1869 Getty’s berg.
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8.Fort lauderdale male tiger kills female lion.
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9.Bronx zoo a big bengal tiger named rajah killed heruta a 3 year old female lion.
The New York herald reported an accidental bout between a mature Bengal Tiger and a 2 year old Lion cub named Huerta. Zookeepers deemed the combat unequal, as Huerta was a nearly-maneless adolescent and his opponent, Rajah was an adult twice the cub's size. While Rajah succeeded in killing Huerta, he did not escape unscathed. The Tiger left the battle with lacerations along the back and neck, a missing ear, and only one eye.


http://i93.photobucket.co...ums/l74/brightln/bva.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.co...ums/l74/brightln/bva.jpg
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10.Perth W.A male tiger kills female lioness
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/...x8IrWIPxTk/s1600/999.jpg


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1. The tiger named mogul vs the lion named prince account…
At last, with bars of iron and long whips, they beat Prince off from Mogul.
Huh? If Mogul was claimed to be winning the fight why did they beat Prince the lion with {Iron Bar’s} an {Whip’s} to get him {OFF} mogul? If they didn’t on a top position like that, mogul the tiger would have soon been dead.
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2.Staford’s animal reseve, a tigress kill’s {3;…3 month old cub’s} Need I say more? There cub’s.

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Exploiting of big cat expert John varty who is (wiki’s source) who claim’s lion’s are inferior to tiger’s because of weak jaw power, which he stated… the lion has never in history craked open a turtle’s shell like the tiger, well… here’s another exploitation here…
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oibo8kjiwS0
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7CUBYknjWE
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2sMZa9KWBo
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There you have over 400 account's lied on, geezus lion fan's dont lie that much, an I still have a few 40 or so I dident include yet. So basically that narrow's all the fake account's, to repeat's an twisted data into a little over 30 account's for the tiger killing the lion, an 80% of that 30 are of (Male Tiger's) killing (Female lion's) and the 20% of the male's do not specify the status of the lion as a contender lion, which would have to be above 6 year's old and under 14 which would allow for a good spruse of a big mane as a contender lion, which all that I have seen so far dosent have 1 single account threw out history with creditable detail that it was a prime male lion with a battle mane and Pride ruler status, not 1. Yet, The data I have show's it's quite the oposite, my data that I'll show has 80% of the tiger's killed by male and female lion's are of (Male tiger's) and 20% female's and the article/pic/alibie has clean detail's that they were all adult's of the right contending age's along with being above 500 pound's which is pretty dam big.
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But I hope we can keep data that is presented creditable in quality and quanity.
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5:37 AM - Jul 07, 2012 #4

Sorry if I'm multi posting, it's just I really dont know what is the limit you can fit in 1 post. But since I covered a good amount of the Expert's/Zoologist/scientist and owner's opinion's. I guess I'll move on to 2/4 catagorie's I asked for this thread to debate on. So I'll be covering {Historical artifact's} next, which I was told by many people who favor... or should I say just are plain Bia's for the tiger, before my search's that all nationalitie's that had lion's and tiger's in the wild and imported to co-exisit, has the recording's threw art as in sculpting's of wood to metal, to art as sketche's to painting's, an reinactment's of dance's of what they saw with the Tiger the victor and I will never find culture that recorded those thing's of the lion's being the victor. But in my search I did my best to find the tiger's side in thart specific search of historical artifact's and I only found 3 an with no back story or credability of how that peice/item/ art came to be.
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But with the search for both I was then flooded with exactly the opoisite of what so many tiger fanatic's said I wouldent find, and here is what I got so far,
Here’s a few documented Historical Artifact’s an Sculpture’s that are mostly in
museum’s, portraying the lion winning against the tiger, an each has a back story if you care to look them up and apperntly they would have to have seen the incident, to etch it or sculpture it an these are from different people from Rome, to India, to Britain, to China all portraying the same thing the lion having the winning course of 50-1,000 year old historical artifact’s here...
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LION’S ROAR…

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Clearly there's no animal more used in heraldry than the lion. The GEO (famous german science magazin) has examined which animal is used how many times in heraldry for each continent (in general). These were the results (grey=big cats):
http://i1119.photobucket....win/LweinderSymbolik.png
- Seyoung lion defeating tiger
http://www.suyeongminsok.or.kr/eng/menu01_02.php
Lion fighting a nian who the tiger couldent.
http://www.sevenstarmantis.co.uk/7.html
Indian folklore has the lion as the ultimate test not tigers.
http://www.wild-india.com...Animals/indian-lion.html
Lion god’s diplicted by men not tigers.
http://home.worldonline.nl/~rlion/lkgode.htm
http://www.ladyoftheflame.co.uk/Deities.htm
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Well, frankly people alway's say that the lion only had the title King from the disney movie lion King an never lived in the jungle XD... Which was 20 or so year's ago. But the lion had the title {King} for thousand's of year's. Here's a few Historical turn point's an back story of the lion threw different era's an different culture's...
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Lions have always been considered the kings of the Jungle. But most of the people in the world think that lions are only found in the African continent. People haven't been mislead in this regard, the truth is that there aren't much lions left in the rest of the world. About 10, 000 years ago lions spanned vast sections of the globe, but as the human population started to increase, trees were cut and forests were cleared to make more land for people to live in. Now lions only in small fractions in some parts of the world. And Asiatic lions, a subspecies that split from African lions perhaps 100,000 years ago, are only found in the Gir wildlife Sanctaury of the Indian state of Gujarat.
http://www.indianwildlife...-india/asiatic-lion.html
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The legacy of the lion, King of Beasts, as the model throughout history is demonstrated by its appearance among the earliest drawings made by humans over 15,000 years ago.
http://www.indiantiger.org/wild-cats/lion.html
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There were magnificent illustration of lions amongst the statues at Mahabalipuram. The most major use of the lion as a symbol of power and strength was associated with the Emperor Asoka in Sarnath, 2000 years ago.
http://www.wild-india.com...Animals/indian-lion.html
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Presently, Gir National Park is serving as the only home of the Asiatic lions in the whole world. However, the situation used to be different some years back. Indian lion once used to roam around in Asia Minor and Arabia, from Persia to India. Even in the Indian subcontinent, they used to be found in the northern areas of the country as well as in the eastern areas, upto Bihar. In south, Naramada River used to serve as the boundary for the Asiatic lions. Read on to know more about Asiatic lion history in India.
The species got extinct from Bihar in 1840, Delhi in 1834, Bhavalpur in 1842, Eastern Vindhyas & Bundelkhand in 1865, Central India & Rajasthan in 1870 and Western Aravallis in 1880. The history of Asiatic (Indian) Lion in the country tells us that the last time an Asiatic lion was found in the wild outside Saurashtra was in the year 1884.
http://www.iloveindia.com...siatic-lion/history.html
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Some dedication's to the lion, who also have made conservation's to save the King from extinction...
http://www.fullstopindia....he-four-lions-of-sarnath
http://www.conservationan...40;aulast=Divyabhanusinh
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InFVedic literature, the lion is mentioned as the king of the jungle. Asiatic lions were abundant in the Indus Valley (actual Punjab, Rajasthan, Gujarat, Sind). Tigers were the animals of the East. For Vedic people, the inhabitants of western India, the lion was a more popular animal than the tiger and was the icon of power.
InFBuddhist literatureF(300BC), theFJatakas, a collection of 547 stories about Buddha’s prior existenceFin which he is described as having taken birth as a variety of different animals, the Asiatic lion is once again a prominent character.FBecause Buddha plays the leading role of a pre-eminent person he is styled as the Universal Monarch (Raja Chakkavatti); and a lion (siha).FThat could explain why,FEmperor AshokaF
(273 -F236FBCE), the most famous of the Buddhist rulers of India,Finscribed his famous edicts on the lion capitol of Sarnath.
http://murielkakani.hubpa...med-all-over-north-India
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So you see, rumor's true or false are often reveiling. An compared from what was said I would never find, turn's out that you should alway's look your self, because coward's alway's try to conseal the truth, and by the look's of it, it look's like the lion will hold on to his imortal title of the King of the beast for another 1,000 year's... in time, the truth alway's rises above the lie's, so do your best an it's okay even if you favor the other more because everyone has a shade of Bias'ness in them big or small, it's alway's better to be honest because again... the truth alway's rises above the lie's so rise above it.
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8:28 AM - Jul 07, 2012 #5

I'll cover who has the superior anatomy and attribute's now...
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[Power of the lion’s Mane]
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Source 1.
http://members.aol.com/bh...nzania.../lion_D1602.jpg
Now both males attack, one grappling with her head as the other bites her stomach. She twists away in pain from the stomach bite.
Note the protection offered by the mane on the lion on the left as the female's claws and blows are cushioned by the thick matted fur.
Source 2.
http://books.google.com/b...BN0521...CQQ3Aym9Ef6w2M4
Indeed there are good scientific data that male lions with long manes are more likely to survive and have fewer injuries.
The Fetal Matrix: Evolution, Development and Disease
By Peter D. Gluckman, Mark Hanson

Source 3.
This tiger was captured in India and went against a lion after being in captivity for only few days. Don't tell me that these few days changed the tiger's behavior in which it could not deliver a fatal neck bite.
It was the Tiger's fight and he knew it. He sprang at the staggering Lion, took a fearful chop on the nose without flinching and set his teeth into the African's hairy throat. They wrestled desperately, and the Lion's heavy mane saved him from suffocation. Great mouthfuls of long coarse hair catching in the Tiger's teeth not only preventing him from getting a death grip, but so interfered with his with his respiration that he had to release the hold, where upon the Lion swatted him with a tremendous uppercut and sent him tumbling twenty feet away.

Source 4.
http://books.google.com/b...LC0808...male+lions+mane
The lion's mane, not possessed by the female, is evidently such a weapon of defense; it is a excellent means of protection against the bites which the male lions try to inflict on each other's necks when fighting for the females; consequently those males with the strongest manes have the greatest advantage in the sexual struggle.

The History of Creation, Or, The Development of the Earth and Its Inhabitants by the Action of naterual causes.
By L. Dora Schmitz, Sir E Ray Lankester
Source 5.
“Down sprang Caesar, determined to seize the offensive, but before he could do so, Bobby had battled his way through Caesar's paws, grabbed his mane so stubbornly that he couldn't move. For the next couple of minutes each struggled and strained for an advantage, but Bobby's hold was so tenacious that they only succeeded in twisting a little. With the cameras continuing to grind and getting nothing but a little harmless tug of war… Energy spent, the exhausted Bobby tried to roll away from Caesar, but Caesar's hold now was as firm as Bobby's which had been on his mane. Seeing this turn in affairs, I dashed into the cage. Already Caesar's jaws had crunched Bobby's neck and when I got there Caesar was shaking Bobby's limp, bloody head and throat from side to side. Bobby's eyes were turning starey. He was dead and it was only two minutes since I was keenly sorry that I had done it, but in thinking it over I became convinced that my part had been negligible. The lion is frequently the superior; he doubtless would have been the winner in this case no matter what I had done.”
Source 6.
If so, it is conceivable that a single male lion attacked by a pack of hyenas could reduce injury with the help of its mane. Manes protect males in interaspecific in other species. It may additionally confer advantages by limiting wounding in the neck region.
~Antipredator Defenses in Birds and Mammals
By Timothy M. Caro

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The lion's mane, not possessed by the female, is evidently such a weapon of defense; it is a excellent means of protection against the bites which the male lions try to inflict on each other's necks when fighting for the females; consequently those males with the strongest manes have the greatest advantedge for the sexual struggle.
The History of Creation, Or, The Development of the Earth and Its Inhabitants by the Action of naterual causes.
By L. Dora Schmitz, Sir E Ray Lankester

Source 8.
http://www.krugerpark.co.za/faq-on-lion.html
The mane is also a means of protection to the face and neck during fights between male lions.

Source 9.
It causes him to look bigger without increasing his weight or need for food. It also protects him from bites and scratches should he have to fight another male.
http://www.honoluluzoo.org/lion.htm

Source 10.
The mane protects the lion from bites to the throat or the neck.
http://www.destinybigcats.com/cats/zen.htm

Source 11.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/natu...facts/factfiles/14.shtml
The mane protects the lion during fights with other males.
Source 12.
http://www.sandiegozoo.org/animalbytes/t-lion.html
The lion’s thick mane protects his neck against raking claws during fights with other males for membership in the pride.
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(e.g lion's mane protects him from teeth and claws in a fight).
http://www.kidcyber.com.au/topics/animalclassif.htm
Source 15.
Male lions are the only cats with manes. This collar of long, thick hair covers the head, except the face, and the neck down to the shoulders and chest. The mane makes the male look even bigger and stronger than he is. It also protects him during fights. The long, thick hair softens the blows of his foes.
Schaller, George B. "Lion." World Book Encyclopedia. 2002 ed. The best naturalist of the 20th century said that.
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On the open savannah, a lion's mane advertises his maleness from a great distance. To enhance his mane, a lion will do the "lion strut": tip-toeing on front legs, erect body and tail. The mane also protects against claws and teeth in male combat.
http://www.virtualtourist.../Afric...serve-BR-1.html

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A male lion's mane is designed to protect the animal from attacks from other lions. It apparently also works with hand grenades as well. Marjan's neck and chest were spared serious injury, but his face was badly mutilated by the blast.
http://www.lionlmb.org/lion/marjan.html

Source 18.
The most distinctive feature of the male lion is its mane, a collar of long, thick fur. An adolescent male's mane will begin to grow at 18 months, after which it will continue to grow and darken. A visual indicator of gender and power, the mane also serves to protect the lion's neck from other lions.
http://www.pbs.org/edens/etosha/lion.htm
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The mane helps protect the lion’s neck during fighting and make him appear larger to competitors
http://www.alltooflat.com/pranks/lion/factsheet.html
Source 20.
Their mane serves a number of purposes: a) it identifies him as a mature male to other lions, even at a distance b) it gives an appearance of increased size with little weight cost c) the condition of the mane conveys the level of health and vigour to female lions d) it can help protect the head and neck area in fights with other lions.
http://www.wildcatconservation.org/faq.shtml
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Source 21.
Samantha Stephens, says the lions mane might not make a big difference, but it might be that crucial amount of difference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK9etg51Do8
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Source 22.
“When one animal attacks another, he seems to know by instinct. He strikes for the neck for a quick kill. Nature seems to have provided the lion with a defensive covering -- a mane to protect the neck area.”
~The Lion in Fact and in Fiction
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“The mane is strictly a male attribute and gives lion’s their majestic aura… It acts almost like a fencing mask, absorbing paw swipes aimed at the head and necks during fights between rivals. When mane’s grow to big for both rival’s, the fight can last up to hour’s due to the mane protecting the main arterie’s, little to nothing can be done to male’s who have mane’s that grown larger than others for it’s main reason is for combat .”
~The Art of Being a Lion
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The mane plays an important role in the lion’s life. While a long mane that blows easily in the wind may be difficult to hide when hunting an alert zebra, it is a distinct advantage in defense… That same mane gives his neck a good bit of protection in case the intruder does not turn away and chooses to challenge the resident lion for his position.
~The Last Big Cats An Untamed Spirit
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Male lions are larger than females and possess a voluminous mane which contrast with the sleek pelage on other parts of the body… The distinctive colors and sizes of manes may also help animals to identify individuals. An important secondary function of the mane is one of protection during fights. The dense mat of hair absorbs blows and harmlessly tangles claws in a part of the body towards which most social contact is directed; bites too, may leave an opponent with a mouth full of hair rather than skin.
~The Serengeti Lion A Study of Predator-Prey Relations Wildlife Behavior and Ecology series.
Source 26.
There is no direct evidence, but if we examine the probabilities in the case of a confrontation between the two some inferences can be drawn. In a fight would de unable to get close to the vital joint of a lion’s neck because of his thick mane, but the tiger is vulnerable to the lion. The film showed that the tiger was at an immediate disadvantage. Tigers use a throat grip as their primary means of killing and the lion's thick protective mane prevented the tiger gaining a hold on the throat joint. On the other hand, the tiger had no special protection, so was vulnerable to attack. In this fight, the tiger was killed. In any inter-species confrontation lions would also have the advantage of the who pride. But in my opinion a tiger is no match even for a single lion of equal strength. In any inter-species confrontation lions would also have the advantage of support from members of the whole pride. But in my opinion a tiger is no match even for a single lion of equal strength.
Tiger! The Story of the Indian Tiger, by Kailash Sankhala.
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I believe I’m fully qualified to state, as I’ve had them both on me. I bear the teeth marks of a lion that shut his jaws tight on my legs. But it isn’t the teeth of the big cats trainers fear so much. It is the claws, being hooked, tear out the flesh and sinew as they are withdrawn. When a lion goes at a trainer he starts right towards him, with no subterfuge, mouth open and tail as stiff as a poker. A tiger cringes and crawls until he makes his spring. In a fair fight it would be hard to guess which animal would come off victor, and much would depend, I think on the one that got the first good hold. The lion also is protected around the neck by the heavy mane, which is a huge advantage.
~George Conklln, “Adventures With a Circus”
Source 28.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_FtEEFZq_s
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Lion’s mane save’s him from tiger’s throat attempt, an also aidded the tiger to release due to breaking his breathing pattern.
http://i853.photobucket.c...maneoffersprotection.jpg
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Craig packer reinstate’s an admit’s lion’s mane’s are for protecting…
http://i853.photobucket.c...p1/boldchamp/Packer1.jpg
http://i853.photobucket.c...p1/boldchamp/Packer2.jpg
- 31.The lion also is protected around the neck by the heavy mane, which is an advantage. There is one instance I remember where a full grown lion and tiger engaged in combat, by unforeseen chance of course. It was when the John O’ Brien Show had its winter quarters in Philadelphia and I was connected with it. “A lion and a tiger were in a compartment cage, with a partition between. In some manner this partition was battered down in the night and the two big felloes got together. They had probably been issuing challenges to each other and promising what they would do to one another if the chance came. When morning arrived we found the two in the lion’s cage, the tiger dead and the lion all chew and clawed to pieces, but still full of fight.”
~George Conklln, “Adventures With a Circus”
http://ecx.images-amazon....xDeJ3L._SL500_AA300_.jpg
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32. 80% of swipe or bite is protected by the mane, as you can see the mane protect’s bite’s that can usually add up on a tiger, yet it has no effect on the lion in terms the lion can completely focus what he is doing which is draging around and mauling the tiger, which in the big cat fight world, every bite count’s…
http://i640.photobucket.c...30/boldchamp/inage-4.gif
33. lion’s mane protect’s male lion’s in combat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_FtEEFZq_s
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I am 110% confident that threw all the account's threw out history, no one will every show an account of a tiger killing a battle mane lion, not 1. It was concluded by countless of Scientist, Lion expert's an tamer's/trainer's, owner's to Zoologist's that the mane play's a huge roll in combat, and I really dont think anyone has an account that specifically has a mane such as these being killed with a throat, spine or dissembolwing kill move, which the battle mane lion's have belly mane's to cancel dissembowling, further down the back mane line's to cancel a spinal bite and thicker densar head mane's to cancel out neck and throat slashing or bite-ing, leaving only exaushting and pure beat down factor's, which the tiger is out classed in. here's some I found compliment's of Leofwin and the bold champ showing lion's are superior in that exact catagorie of stamina...
-Sceintifc scale of lion’s superior…
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Lion have bigger heart and lung size’s than tiger’s… that give the lion more stamina…



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Source: Intelligence, power, and personality, by George Washington Crile


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Source: A RECORD OF THE BODY WEIGHT AND CERTAIN
ORGAN AND GLAND WEIGHTS OF 3690 ANIMALS
GEORGE CRILE, M. D. (pdf document)

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Source: Brief description of the cardiac anatomy in a tiger
(Panthera tigris, Linnaeus, 1758): a case report
W. Perez, M. Lima (pdf document)


Source: Mammals of the soviet union, Vladistav Mazak

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Source: Philip L. Altman, Dorothy Dittmer Katz, Rudolph M. Grebe, 1958, "Handbook of respiration", Page 22-23

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Source mentioned here:

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There's also some data on the RBC count:

(Source at the top)

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Source: Nemi Chand Jain, 1993, "Essentials of veterinary Hematology", Page 59-60

Source:
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Here I don't know the source any more but the lions came from the "Queen Elizabeth National Park" and seem to be wild. It can be found several times if you just search for it.)

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Source:

Now a study for the tiger, one that seems to indicate a rather high value on the first view...:

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But only on the first view. It's from here: http://www.zoosprint.org/...urnal/2006/July/2321.pdf . Look at this: "The average PCV value was 52.12, which is much above the normal values, and this is further attributed to the feeding pattern and dehydration, in similar lines with Hb concentration." And indeed that's true. Pcv is the hematocrit, which is the percentage of red blood cells in the blood. Usual values are 37-39%, but more than 52% - that's completely abnormal. Reasons were described. Actually that's comparable with a 250 kg tiger with 60 kg fat. Subtract about 37% of the 52.12% and you got 38% and an RBC of 6.4 which seems to be a normal value for tigers, according to the other studies.

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Source: Haematological and biochemical studies in tigers ( Panthera tigris tigris )

[I excluded a study on Barbary lions as they don't exist in the wild any more. The RBC count was 10.14 but they also got exceptional Hct values, so after "correcting" that they got a value of 8.31.)

Here's some regression analysis I did on this topic. X is body weight while Y is heart/lung weight. I came to the following equations - on lion heart size: Y=-2000.076+611.00367*ln X (For X I took 183.6kg to get the heart size for average lions - as far as I know that's the average of [nearly]all populations together. If this is an antiquated average, just tell me and I'll change it). The result I got with this equation is that the lion's heart would weigh 1184.939g on average.

For lung size I calculated the following formula: Y=174.4153+454.0276*ln X. X is again 183.6kg. So the average weight of an average lion's lungs would be 2541.152g.

I also did the same for tigers, though I have to admit that the data is very limited and I had to mix siberian tiger and bengal tiger. So, the results are uncertain... However, here's the formulas I calculated - on tiger heart size: Y=10837.6246-1897.9759*ln X. X is 200 kg in this case, as this is nearly exactly the average weight of all bengal tiger populations together. The result was that the average tiger would have a heart weighing 781.5509g.

For lung size I calculated the following formula: Y=4296.833-476.548*ln X. The result was that on average a tiger would have lungs weighing 1771.930g.

I used the following data for lions (Body weight/lung weight/ heart weight): (161.52kg/1614g/2600g), (117.37kg/713g/-), (94.86kg/743.2g/1580g), (126.08kg/1078g/3838g), (195.4kg/1175g/2000g), (186.36kg/860g/2600g), (128.2kg/-/2090g), (109.319kg/859g/2188g) and for tigers: (209kg/1888g/698g), (-/-/940g), (170kg/2070g/1090g) and (184kg/1454g/-).

When comparing heart and lung weights of lions and tigers (I took the averages I got from my formulas) I got the following: The lion has a 51.61% bigger heart and 43.41% bigger lungs.

I would conclude that the lion has better stamina.
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The lion is the animal with the most fulminating energy known:

Science digest, Volume 16 _ - Page 67 Education - 1944
The animal possessing the most fulminating energy known is the lion, it being
even more powerfully endowed for blitzkrieg attack than the tiger ....


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here is more data upon the outburst energy these animals are able to exert;






Lion’s strike harder…



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Lion’s bone density

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Lion’s claw’s are averagly bigger than tigers…


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Tiger weight’s show they avearge no bigger than lion’s
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http://www.tigers.ru/articles/tab_eng.html#tab1
Hewett (1938), Inverarity (1888), Baker (1890), Buton (1933, 1948), Hornaday (1885), Meinertzhagen (1939) and Sanderson (1912) shows an average of 422 lbs, not far from the 420 lbs mark, isn't it?
http://i1119.photobucket....unbarBrandersaverage.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.c...izeofadultamurtigers.jpg
http://i153.photobucket.c...ion/dsfdfsdsfdsfdfsd.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.c.../jj19/Tigersandme/55.jpg
http://i713.photobucket.c...h/SiberianCloseto400.jpg
http://bigcatrescue.org/2011/tiger-facts
http://english.savechinastigers.org/node/31
http://www.redorbit.com/e...ia/2578132/bengal_tiger/
http://i268.photobucket.c.../jj19/Tigersandme/55.jpg
Male Siberian Tiger Weights
Here's some more weights from "CONFLICTS BETWEEN MAN AND TIGER IN THE RUSSIAN FAR EAST",(first published in Russian in "Bulletin Moskovskogo obshchestva ispytateley Prirody", 1993, v. 98, i. 3)
by Igor G. Nikolaev and Victor G. Yudin
=Male Siberian Tiger Weights=
1. 166 kg Body Fat - H
2. 192 kg Body Fat - H
3. 136 kg Body Fat - L
4. 170 kg Body Fat - L
5. 150 kg Body Fat - L
6. 149 kg Body Fat - H
7. 175 kg Body Fat - H
8. 171 kg Body Fat - L
9. 180 kg Body Fat - H
10. 168 kg Body Fat - M
11. 130 kg Body Fat - L
12. 178 kg. Body Fat - Not Stated
13. 136 kg Body Fat - S
14. 157 kg Body Fat - S
15. 185 kg Body Fat - L
16. 135 kg Body Fat - H
17. 148 kg Body Fat - Not Stated
18. 178 kg Body Fat - Not Stated
19. 165 kg Body Fat - M
20. 93 kg Body Fat - S
21. 92 kg Body Fat - M
22. 170 kg Body Fat - L
23. 160 kg Body Fat - H
24. 125 kg Body Fat - M
25. 102 kg. Body Fat - L
26. 129 kg Body Fat - S
You see what this guy said^^^ weight’s are usually overexaggerated, these weight’s here even say un-confirmed, to 800 an uses the – sign as in 800-900 as a estimation or this 1,000pound cat is the world record an another cat that’s hevier meaning how would he then have a title of world record? Because they are only estimation’s none were weighed as shown from the first link’s they only average 400-500 pound’s like the lion not these weight’s here…
http://i47.photobucket.co.../01978/bigtigerlist1.jpg
THE WAY OF THE TIGER 2002 By K. Ullas Karanth.
Page 47, The tigers weighing record weights in captivity where overfed obese individuals who would not survive in the wild.
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I do belive there more big boy's of the tiger's than lion's, though it's in a form of average that it is pretty well known for those who weighed them, not alway's giving bullcrap weight's like wiki, differ, an other bia's site's, which they pretty much average the same weight's.
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408kg=900 pound lion named Ali owned by Charle’s mason of king’sbridge
http://www.impeyan.net/default.asp?iId=KMFIH
two…900 pound lions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmUtjFBx6eM
- 900 pound lion
http://news.google.com/ne...AAAAIBAJ&pg=4456,2398849
800 pound lion named ponto fight’s off 2 tiger’s
http://newspaperarchive.c...land-tribune/1959-03-27/
826 pound lion named simba
http://i1017.photobucket....5yedsdy.jpg?t=1306200659
800 pound lion named mubasa
http://www.kansastravel.org/britspaughzoo.htm
http://www.thirdage.com/h...eceives-root-canal-video
826 pound lion
http://junglephotos.com/a...ammals/lionnathist.shtml
800 pound lion attack’s tarzan
http://www.tzproductions.com/index.php/history
2… 800 pound lion’s 1 named Prince an 1 named clarence
http://mfinley.com/tumor/bt-bwana-mike.htm
800 pound lion owner ruthledge
http://images.orkut.com/o...wjvOttcrWnFHZRfxlcKA.jpg
900 pound lion owned by Peter jackson
http://desmond.imageshack...matedoz7.jpg&res=landing
More Documented Lion weights in africa…
385 kg ) Botswana -
335 kg Angola (1973) G. Gladney
333 kg - Sudan The J. K. Roberts
333 kg - Kenya M. J. Timmins
328 kg - Uganda G. Prud'homme
324 kg - Tanzania J.
320 kg - Trance bar/var C. V. Merriman
277 kg - Swaziland (1919) -
272 kg - Namibia (1964) -
272 kg - Kenya (1993) -
318 kg - Somalia A. M. Toulmin
318 kg - Rhodesia H. J. Pratt
318 kg - Mozambique
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{Lion’s are more experince in the art of fighting and combat}
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From small lion’s fight for rank on who eat’s first
http://www.vesch.nl/lions..._lb_image_page26_6_1.jpg
http://www.freemansafaris.com/Yuzo_lion_cubs_2.jpg
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Adult brother’s, wife’s, sister’s father’s, uncle’s, anty’s and son’s all rutinely sparr on high agressional fight’s that keep them game to taking on rival pride’s, coalition’s an nomad rouge lion’s, proving they are the more practiced fighter’s more than tigers





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pca5u-ud5Ag
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An finally the sole reason why tiger's do not fair well living among's lion's...what is it? {Pride's} Pride's can average as small as 1-2male's an 8 female's to as big as the record of 8 brother's that tolerated each other an shared 22 female's, while the tiger is solitary, the most recorded band of tiger's were 4 tiger's, 2 male's an there sister who rutinely checked up on there tigress mom until dieing of old age in china, that was the record, though only very brief mingleing other than that they hunted an guarded there territory in solitary fashion. Cheetah's, leopard's an a few other land carnivore's have co-exsisted with lion's for thousand's of year's succsusfuly because of the golden rule, if confronted by a lion or lion's they run... a tiger is a very proud animal and dosent nessisarily fear the lion, but that would be his down fall, for in a dispute to claim territory, they usually mark scent's an have call out's with roar's that travel for mile's letting any animal know of ownership and challange's. If a tiger wondered into a lion's territory an imited a challange by roaring, he would then alert male lion's who alot more than average live's either in a Pride or a Coalition of male's, an threw out history the male lion has shown 1 male or female lion can kill any tiger 1 on 1 and by a foolish attempt to claim a lion's territory, he would alert earth's mightiest coalition fighter's
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{The Lion the King of the beast}
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, who live's in these...
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{The Lions territory where no predator will ever dare to venture}
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Play this jam to get a btter feel in showing of there Kingly social ptteren's, the lion would dominate the tiger in a territeriol dispute pretty much all day every day, if there werent for human's eradicating european lion's an driving asiatic lion's to almost extinction's, without man on earth the lion would rule the earth's battle ground's, here's that song that give's out that vibe these male lion's dish out... -

















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11:41 AM - Jul 07, 2012 #6

I Love the lion and the tiger pretty equally...
hahaha, very funny. I never saw such a onesided post. You are a fanatic lion fanboy. It's usesless and a waste of time to discuss with you.
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12:20 PM - Jul 07, 2012 #7

Que? Yeah because you want a debate that flood's with a hundred fanatic's that lie on behalf of there selfish bias'ness an have a lion never had win a fight in his exisitance but have the tiger with 1,000's of fantasy storie's be reality, am I right? Huh! Yes....I'm a fan of the lion, I'm also a fan of the tiger, you dont even know the difference between fanatic an fan, a fanatic tend's to lie, where in any number labeling did I lie? That's right {No where} Your just butthurt that I exploited the 400 account's you an anyother fanatic cling's to for dear life on as faked an B.S account's as your only way to even be on this site, while I merely want to teach what I find in a educational way of what is comended, you know what it is? (The truth!)
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But ahhh... you'll just say that aint the truth those lie's an faked account's you presented with quality and quaninty exploiting them are the truth!!!...XD XD
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Of course it's a one sided post, didnt I mention I was only going to favor the lion? Oh, yeah you didnt include that part in your quota, hmm I wonder why? Because usually on a lion vs tiger forum the person with the tiger on his avatar (You) will only bring thing's for the lion right? XD XD It's obvious your a fanatic, because your destroyed that I shattered your intire world of account's to only around 30, an the 30 are 80% of (Male tiger's) killing (Female lion's) as shown above, while I have over a 100 individual account's, just as jackjack's sonj so call 367 were brought down to the 30 Huh! That's why when I posted those exact exploitation's on his site in his guest book an blog his site tended to alway's freeze an not wanting to recover the site anymore, hmm I wonder why? XD XD
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Maybe his site isint back up because he was put in his place of being a coward liar lion hater, when I even seen people post his account's on here in whole sale copy an pasting's, when all I would have had to have asked is for the people repeating the paste, was to post them in chronological order an only the account's that go to death to show how many time's he lied an repeated the same exact account with a different source an trying to pass it off as it was another account by mixing them in over 50X. Huh!
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I already stated I will only be posting for the lion this time around... I posted in other forum's like AVA, word press, DOA, an a few other's I stated my love for the tiger an even backed the tiger up against the lion a few time's in what is factual not wanting's. But that's good you dont want to debate with me, I dont wanna teach or get data from some Bia's chump, who dosent only just favor's the tiger more but just dosent like the lion, so scram...Huh! Nah you wont, wont you? Your just one of those troll's who like's to just have the last say to make himself feel better, right? Prove me wrong or in any case prove me right, you'll just come back to my thread an spew more trolling crap of nothing of what I asked for in the headline topic of this thread.....Right? Uh Huh.
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But hey, I'll sum up your intire debate in 1 sentence so that way you'll feel you accomplished the pinicle of the lion vs tiger debate for you...here...
The tiger is bigger, faster, stronger, smarter, more cunning, solitary so he has to be a better hunter, can swim better, can climb better he is the superior cat an that's why he won everysingle fight in history, an never lost only when it was staged to fight a tigress with ball's shown in most picture's an most alibies of the account's...... Right? XD XD XD XD XD
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2:34 PM - Jul 07, 2012 #8

Thats quite a lot of info to digest. Guaranteed to raise the ire of the tiger diehards. This thread
will make for some intriguing reading.  I find the artwork to be interesting. A great deal of the
art work involving the two cats - that I have seen - show the lion in a superior light. Why is that? 
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3:27 PM - Jul 07, 2012 #9

I have to say what everyone is thinking: "hasn't this been done to death"?
The skills required for competence often are the same skills necessary to recognize competence. Incompetent people don't know they are incompetent and are unable to recognize competence in others.
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4:08 PM - Jul 07, 2012 #10

You say.... you say... you say...
I said nothing what you mentioned, read my post again, I can' t see that I post or say anything to favor the tiger. Maybe I made an [font= &AMP]invisible [/font] post.

Yes, I have a tiger avatar, but that doesn't mean I would post only things what favors the tiger. Actually I'm a tiger and lion conservationist and I normally never post here.  I visit this side sometimes, because you can find some good sources sometimes.
I don't understand why you made this post...to restart a silly decission with the same posts of lion AND tiger fans we already read 1000 times?

You said that you figure there's so many people favoring the tiger on this site.
I disagree, I would say it's 50:50 on this side. And again, I don't believe that you love the two cats pretty equally.
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