Rules, Regulations and Fines

Rules, Regulations and Fines

Joined: March 22nd, 2009, 5:59 pm

August 12th, 2015, 6:31 pm #1

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
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Joined: February 5th, 2008, 1:26 am

August 12th, 2015, 8:16 pm #2

This would be your starting point:

Provincial Parks and Conservation Reserves Act, 2006, S.O. 2006, c. 12
http://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/06p12

I think "Uncle Phil" over on MYCCR just might have it memorized.
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Joined: March 6th, 2014, 2:33 pm

August 12th, 2015, 8:30 pm #3

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
No link but there's almost a full page of the rules, the fines and an explanation of each rule in the information guide (that newspaper that won't burn well). They're available off the counter or a rack at all the offices.

The one's that especially pertain to interior camping:

- start fire other than in fireplace or designated place - $180
- fail to tend fire - $180.
- fail to vacate and remove property from site on permit expiry - $95.
- unlawfully occupy campsite - $155.
- excessive # of persons occupying backcountry campsite - $95.
- camp on other than designated backcountry campsite - 95
- kill/cut/remove/harm plant or tree - $155.
- disturb/kill/remove/harm/harass animal - $190.
- litter or cause litter - $155.
- fail to keep campsite clean - $155.
- fail to resort campsite to original condition - $155
- unlawfully store wildlife attractants - $155.
- possess non-burnable food/beverage containers (backcountry only) - $125.

There's more but I'm tired of typing...rofl.

The problems are multiple - too few rangers to patrol the interior, no real checking at check in, emphasis placed on staffing the major income stream (organized campgrounds). I've even had to ask for trash bags when checking in - only once or twice has a staff handed me trash bags and only once did they write my permit # on it.

And who reads the newsletter anyways - I keep one for the maps of the organized campgrounds but that's it.

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Joined: June 1st, 2009, 10:00 pm

August 12th, 2015, 8:34 pm #4

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
On page 35 of this year's official Algonquin tabloid, is an extensive 3/4 page listing of 49 more common offences, fines and explanations. The associated fines range from $30 for failure to display permit on a parked car or for parking a vehicle in an area not designated for parking .. to $305 for fishing in a fish sanctuary. The categories of these 49 offences also include alcohol, ATV's, campfires, permits, equipment, cans & bottles, roads, environment, fireworks, litter, noise, and pets.

Incidentally, its worth pointing out that while the article indicates that a three piece of shelter equipment limit applies to both backcountry and campgrounds, the legislated limit affecting backcountry campsites was rescinded a few years ago. Instead, wardens and rangers are now concentrating on the rule against killing/cutting/removing/harming plants or trees ($155 fine) in controlling deterioration of backcountry campsites.
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Joined: February 25th, 2014, 1:22 pm

August 12th, 2015, 8:49 pm #5

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
And I assume they're still enforcing the maximum number of people using an interior site (9 for canoeing and 6 for backpacking), right? I thought that was the rule that made the shelter limit unnecessary.
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Joined: June 1st, 2009, 10:00 pm

August 12th, 2015, 9:07 pm #6

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
The backcountry sites (canoeing and hiking) are still limited to 9, while the limit of 6 applies to regular drive-in campsites. The reason they eliminated the backcountry shelter equipment limit was that these days many people use very small solo or couples tents even when camping in larger (up to 9-in-a-group). Also, some families were becoming extremely apprehensive that they could get 'dinged' with a fine for 'Junior's 4th tent'.

The reality still exists that there are many backcountry campsites that won't even hold more than one or two tents .. because of either tiny clearings or a very limited level spot. Just because you're allowed to have 9 on a campsite doesn't mean that a campsite will actually house 9!
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Joined: June 3rd, 2009, 9:39 pm

August 12th, 2015, 9:37 pm #7

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
The regs apply to more than just Algonquin.

If you check out Rob's link, you will see special regs for Algonquin, Killarney, etc, but that's the "base" document for all Provincial Parks and Conservation Areas in Ontario.

The link to it changes a lot. I've had to bookmark it over and over and over again, and still have trouble finding it.

Seems like it should be something that is easy to find, no?



Barbara
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Joined: March 22nd, 2009, 5:59 pm

August 12th, 2015, 9:54 pm #8

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
Thanks guys. Ya I was surprised at how difficult it was to find something that listed both the offenses and actual fines. So how have your experiences been with the Wardens/Rangers in the interior? All of the guys and girls I've met outside of the interior have been very friendly. Do they have the right to search your packs, etc? Not that I would have anything to hide...but I know as an officer myself I have to have reasonable grounds to believe an offence has been committed before I can go searching people's private things.
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Joined: June 3rd, 2009, 9:39 pm

August 12th, 2015, 10:36 pm #9

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
The powers that Conservation Officers in Ontario have:

http://www.ontario.ca/environment-and-e ... uthorities

Park Wardens in Algonquin Park
Quote: Within a Provincial Park, a Park Warden has all the power and authority of an Ontario Provincial Police (OPP) officer.
http://www.algonquinpark.on.ca/visit/pa ... ardens.php



Barbara
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Joined: June 1st, 2009, 10:00 pm

August 12th, 2015, 11:03 pm #10

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
I recollect that back in the early '90's the wardens sometimes checked for non-compliance with regs by simply checking packs and tents. I recall the practice may have been subsequently challenged in court. However, I expect that if there's specific grounds to believe non-compliance, they technically can check packs and tents. For example if a warden approaches a campsite, witnesses non-compliance and believes a 'perpetrator' has hidden an incriminating item (glass bottles, cans, loudspeaker-radio, firearm, fireworks, etc.), they may have the authority to accordingly search for that item.

An associated point may be of interest. The tabloid article (page 35) states " .. the registered permit holder is responsible for the conduct of all campsite occupants and could be charged with an offence based on the actions of the occupants of the registered campsite." This could give a trip organizer concern about inviting unruly types along on a camping trip for which he/she holds the permit.
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