Rules, Regulations and Fines

Joined: November 20th, 2011, 10:25 pm

August 14th, 2015, 4:37 am #21

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
Hey Steve ..... The four CO's I've had the pleasure of meeting in Algonquin , as mentioned previously are employed by the Province of Ontario , and not specifically Algonquin Park .
The four meetings were nothing but a treat , the opportunity to hear of the vast knowledge they have of the park was memorable .
After the necessary showing of permits and fishing license , and after a G'day and how's it goin eh ?
The real treat began . The information shared by experience within the large areas they cover was incredible to me .
I figure , as ya know they are quick ta sum up ones intentions .
Real good lads , and from my experiences on the East side , they questioned about having live bait , a real problem .

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Joined: October 21st, 2010, 1:42 pm

August 14th, 2015, 1:45 pm #22

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
That's been my experience too John ...

I also should add .. .its good to take their advice ... we told them about a plan to bushwack into a brookie lake and the older ranger looked at us and smiled and said "there's no brookies there" ... well we just figured he might be trying to keep it a secret for himself (I never said I was smart) and so we spent 2 hrs hiking in and never even got a bite from a sunfish ... nothing.

We saw him later that trip and he asked with a grin how the fishing was in the brookie lake ... I made a sign with my hands like we had caught a whopper ... but then laughed ... good guys in my books.
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Joined: March 24th, 2011, 2:05 am

August 15th, 2015, 4:08 pm #23

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
“And who reads the newsletter anyway” is a pretty damning statement considering the hours of work by dedicated staff that go into providing current information about the Park and changes. The tabloid is for all park visitors, not just for a dismissive few elitist travelers who apparently look down on those who visit the highway corridor or who attend the excellent offerings provided by the Park’s NHE program or the Friends of Algonquin Park.

I looked through said newsletter and, having been around the Park for over four decades, found out the following: David Coulas is the current Superintendent; there are a lot of services offered to the public; a canoe bailer must have a minimum volume of 750 ml; what do if confronted by a predatory black bear (advice I could have used a number of years ago); there are specific dates for this year’s events in which I might be interested; there is a recommended way to release fish; Splake season now extends to November 30; Cardinal flower is only pollinated by hummingbirds; there are art classes available at the Art Centre; Don Beauprie was recognized by The Friends of Algonquin Park Directors; Turtle research has been on-going at Mizzy Lake trail’s Wolf Howl Pond since 1972; there is a Beech bark disease, and to whom to report it if you find a tree that has it. That is in the pages that “who reads the newsletter anyway” would prefer be better quality paper for lighting fires.

It just might be possible that some readers of this forum would find the Parks tabloid to be simply full of information that not only would make their experience in the Park more enjoyable, but could save their lives. Just because some of the others think they “know it all” is no reason to dismiss the hard work of others. Just my personal opinion, and not intended to be controversial or argumentative.
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Joined: March 6th, 2014, 2:33 pm

August 15th, 2015, 4:30 pm #24

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
I wasn't being dismissive! And I hardly feel it was an elitist attitude!
And I do find that your attitude is one of disdain!

I don't look down at all on those who choose to use organized campgrounds for their recreational activities. Not everyone can and should be interior camping.

It's simply an observation after having spent more than a few weekends at the Hwy 60 campgrounds over the past few years and talked to many of my camping neighbours there as well as having attended as many of the various programs offered by the park staff as were available during my stay!

The programs that I attended were well run, informative and exceedingly interesting.

What I found in my random and obviously not very scientific survey is that most of the people I spoke to, if they were aware of the newsletter at all, either threw the newsletter in the vehicle to be read at home after their camping trip or used it to try to start their campfires.

Very, very few actually read it while at the campground and fewer still bothered to read the page that has the rules on it.

It has nothing to do with the hours that the park staff put in to writing the newsletter!

It also has nothing to do strictly with APP, I found the campers at Samuel de Champlain PP to do the same thing.



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Joined: March 24th, 2011, 2:05 am

August 15th, 2015, 7:45 pm #25

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
I am most sorry you consider my attitude to be one of distain (I am not sure how that logically stems from what I wrote)in suggesting there is more value to the tabloid than as a fire starter. I obviously misinterpreted your comments. I thought, APPARENTLY and incorrectly that you didn't think much of the majority of Park users in the money-making part of the Park who need the information in the tabloid. I am sure readers will make their own judgement about what was said, but to make peace I will apologize for apparently offending you. That was not my intention. You say you are not back-country elitist and I accept that; "my bad". That was the incorrect impression I had from your implication that there was no use for the tabloid, even as a fire starter. It might have helped if you had mentioned you had your informal survey to back you up, but I still would have said it was a worthwhile publication. It is too bad there is nothing in it for you. You are welcome to your opinion, of course, just as I am. Have a nice day.
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Joined: March 24th, 2011, 2:05 am

August 15th, 2015, 7:54 pm #26

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
"No link but there's almost a full page of the rules, the fines and an explanation of each rule in the information guide (that newspaper that won't burn well).

The problems are multiple - too few rangers to patrol the interior, no real checking at check in, emphasis placed on staffing the major income stream (organized campgrounds). I've even had to ask for trash bags when checking in - only once or twice has a staff handed me trash bags and only once did they write my permit # on it.

And who reads the newsletter anyways - I keep one for the maps of the organized campgrounds but that's it."

You are right! The comments above do not suggest an elitist attitude or one dismissive of the highway 60 corridor folks, (since you apparently use those campgrounds) or the neglect of back country issues, or that the tabloid is not worth reading. My error was in thinking that you said it was not worth keeping except for burning, and obviously I mis-interpreted what you said. I have apologized and I hope my apology is accepted.
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Joined: December 19th, 2011, 3:58 pm

August 18th, 2015, 9:13 pm #27

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
Having been both in the past...Here is what I think and I can't say this is current but when I did these positions this was the case.

Both rangers and wardens will be looking carefully when they appear on your campsite. Some campers may think they are sneaking up quietly if they are in a canoe...but not really. They will announce they are there so as not to surprise you walking onto a private site. A warden will ask for your permit. If he sees cans and or bottles on the campsite or sees a very messy looking site...he (or she) will take a closer look. It would be risky (legally) for a warden to to search your pack or your tent without your permission. My guess is most will not ask to search a pack or a tent for that reason. If your site is clean and in good order...there will ne not problems..

If you have obvious infractions on your campsite....then expect a ticket. A warning may or may not happen depending on the warden and depending the severity of the offence.. A classic and fairly common offence would by a night before beer party...where there are cans/ bottles all over the place in the morning......dishes not washed and so on. No warning for that.
could get a messy campsite ticket ...a can and bottle violation too....and possibly more infractions.
If people have obvious cans and bottles around expect to be ticketed. Its pretty easy to figure out if they come from the people camping there...or old leftover ones from another group . Some people collect all the cans and bottles they can find to take out with them. You will not be fined for that ...only commended.....But if they are yours..look out. Its usually pretty obvious..

A conservation officer (game warden ) CAN search your tent, pack., cooler or vehicle. They can do that looking for fish and game violations...That way they actually have even more power than an OPP. Conservation Officers are another category.
Rangers will report violations to wardens....Often they travel as a team....ranger and warden together. My guess is that many Algonquin interior staff are what I call ranger /wardens... Meaning they do both jobs. A conservation officer has more power. Usually they may show up in Fishing and hunting season.. Then you can get a full search but highly unlikely unless fishing in a serious way...
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Joined: December 19th, 2011, 3:58 pm

August 18th, 2015, 9:19 pm #28

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
I forgot to mention that we liked to use binoculars from a distance to see if infractions are happening on a campsite..

so if you see a case of beer in bottles or cans and people drinking them....you know there is an infraction. So then...when they show up on the campsite they will look for the evidence....I doubt if they will ask to open packs barrels and tents though. Usually they can catch people like that in the act.
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Joined: March 22nd, 2009, 5:59 pm

August 21st, 2015, 8:38 pm #29

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
Awesome info guys, thanks a ton!
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