Rules, Regulations and Fines

Joined: February 5th, 2008, 1:26 am

August 13th, 2015, 1:53 pm #11

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
Also note that not all park workers are Wardens. As an obvious example the Student Rangers are not wardens, but they could be working with a Warden on any given day.
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Joined: October 21st, 2010, 1:42 pm

August 13th, 2015, 5:34 pm #12

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
We have encountered a few rangers over the years but not a lot ... oddly enough we have never been asked for permits or fishing licenses. Last time was on Big Crow ... we stopped at the cabin for a rest and 2 rangers came out. We chatted for 45 mins, bummed a smoke off them and exchanged fishing spots ... and that was about it. Had that happen a few times now and always wondered why they never asked us for stuff ... maybe I smell bad?

Maybe its just that we are 2 middle aged guys not making a lot of noise and just going about our business peacefully ... I wonder if they sometimes target a younger more boisterous crowd ?
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Joined: February 5th, 2008, 1:26 am

August 13th, 2015, 6:10 pm #13

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
Rangers wouldn't be authorized to ask for your permits or fishing licenses. Wardens would be. The time I was asked for my fishing license I had a stringer with a couple of brookies.
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Joined: March 22nd, 2009, 5:59 pm

August 13th, 2015, 6:24 pm #14

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
Ok stupid question here, but how does one tell the difference between a Ranger and a Warden? I'm assuming Wardens are in uniform with flashes, but do Rangers have a uniform as well?
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August 13th, 2015, 6:54 pm #15

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
The traditional concept of a park ranger being in a position of authority is outdated. For reference, you can refer to
https://www.gojobs.gov.on.ca/docs/Sampl ... Ranger.pdf
which states ...

Work Description: In a provincial park environment, there are many types of Park Ranger positions:

Gate Attendant – assists with issuing park permits, day to day park operations, performing clerical
and customer service functions.

Interior Ranger - travels into the interior of a Provincial Park on a day or multi-day trips performing campsite, portage and trail maintenance.

Administrative Assistant – performs clerical and administrative functions.

GIS - Data Technician - uses Geographic Information Systems (GIS) software to conduct data and trend analysis, including spatial trend analysis.

Trail Maintenance – assists with trail maintenance and development utilizing hand tools.

Natural Heritage Education Assistant - assists with the delivery of Natural Heritage Education programs.

Maintenance Worker – performs unskilled manual labor duties and operates light power equipment.

Park Planner – supports the delivery of a park planning program.

Park Store Sales Clerk – assists with grocery and merchandise retail sales and clerical activities.


So, it's clear to see that the term "Ranger" is irrelevant to the "Enforcement" function. Over the years, it has been relegated to an "Educational" function at best.
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Joined: February 5th, 2008, 1:26 am

August 13th, 2015, 8:09 pm #16

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
The Interior Rangers are generally in typical work gear - safety boots, hard hats, etc. The 2 month students don't get 'uniforms' but I'm pretty sure the 4-month students had the standard beige Ontario Parks shirts. I'm not sure if they wear the uniforms all the time they are working or not.

The Wardens would definitely be in uniform and they might technically all be Conservation Officers but I'm not sure about that. I know the Conservation Officers wear bullet proof vests and firearms at times.
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August 13th, 2015, 8:16 pm #17

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
Years ago, leaving the Park in the evening, we stopped at the Tea Lake parking area for a break.

From what I can remember, the CO for Algonquin was there and we chatted.

He told us there was only one Conservation Officer for all of Algonquin Park.

The last numbers I can recall is that there were 8 Wardens for Algonquin.

We were on Booth when 2 gentlemen motored up to our site. (Yes, they use a motor boat on Booth.)

They checked our permit, which was completed incorrectly at the Access office, and then proceeded to dig a new privy pit.

Can't remember how they were dressed. Just that they had shovels.



Barbara
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Joined: June 1st, 2009, 10:00 pm

August 13th, 2015, 9:32 pm #18

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
Back in 2006 (9 years ago now), we has a visit from these three guys on Shirley Lake. The fellow with the brimmed hat was the boss. He inquired of our permit and fishing licenses. We had a nice freshly caught laker hanging from a branch. He sent the other two fellows to dig a new thunderbox hole with pick-axe and shovels. They took a while, so we ended up discussing Junior 'A' hockey with the boss-man for a while. By today's distinctions, I'd call the boss a Warden and the other two Rangers. They all had overalls on with Ontario Parks logos on.



A few years later, we met an ex-military Warden by the name of Roy, paddling across Hambone Lake. He had an assistant Ranger from Germany who was on his second summer on the job. They were headed for the interior and were dressed less utilitarian.

Just a week ago, I met a Warden in the Stone House office in Achray. He was helpful and just as courteous as the other two. He had Ontario Parks 'uniform' slacks and shirt with an OP logo.

I figure the Wardens will introduce themselves as such and act accordingly, while the Rangers may just ask how you're doing and if anything's out of whack, just try to 'educate' or 'correct' you.
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August 13th, 2015, 10:02 pm #19

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
The way I understand it to answer Steve's question, and I know this is sort of another way of saying what Barry said at 2:54, is that a warden is a park enforcement officer, while "ranger" is a broader, and somewhat unofficial, term for park field staff in general; it's not actually any one person's job title.
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Joined: March 22nd, 2009, 5:59 pm

August 13th, 2015, 10:20 pm #20

Another post on the board just got me thinking about this stuff and I didn't want to hijack that thread so I thought I'd start a new one...My Google skills must be seriously lacking as I can't seem to find what I'm looking for...Does anyone have a link to the rules and regulations as well as fines as they pertain to the Park interior? What about the authorities of Park Rangers in terms of search and seizure? In all my time in the Park I have never seen a Ranger in the interior but it sounds like it is quite a common occurrence.
Great info guys, thanks for clearing this up for me!
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