Gentle leader

Gentle leader

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November 17th, 2010, 4:50 pm #1

As you can tell I have many questions these days. Yesterday was my family's first meeting with a canine specialist cause I want to make sure that Trigger responds positively to my commands. She believes that its a good sign that Trigger loves treats so much cause she her method of training dogs is with rewarding good behavior. She suggested I use a gentle leader on Trigger cause I refuse to be pulled when taking a walk. What do you guys think of the gentle leader & have you had good results. BTW it turns out that Buddy doesn't need training cause he's well educated. He really listens to everything I say. Trigger listens but sometimes pretends he's deaf & I won't put up with that cause I enjoy taking my dogs with me wherever I go & this can cause trouble if he doesn't listen. When we're at home Trigger listens well but when he's in a different environment & has something better to do he'll just ignore me. For example, I was walking him & all of sudden a squirrel appeared before his eyes, let me tell you he almost dislocated my arm! This is unacceptable to me. That's why I'm willing to try the gentle leader but was wondering what you guys think about it. Thanks

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Pauline
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November 17th, 2010, 5:15 pm #2

sounds very akita LOL

As for the gentle leader, well, I used a "halti" which uses the same principle as the gentle leader, I found it very good for keeping the head looking forward, I used it on my old Benny but Asia wouldn`t budge with it on her and because she was a very fearful dog at the time I decided not to push it with her.

You'll proberly find a lot of resistance when you first put it on, face rubbing, rolling of the head on the floor and big appealing eyes saying "Why are you doing this to me!!!" but if you pesist it will soon reap rewards. you can try giving small treats as you put the leader on his face then hopefully he associates treats with the leader, also I put it on Benny just in the house to get him used to it, I only started to take him out on it when he`d got used to it a bit, a few days of letting him wear it indoors will help :)Good luck!
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November 17th, 2010, 7:20 pm #3

As you can tell I have many questions these days. Yesterday was my family's first meeting with a canine specialist cause I want to make sure that Trigger responds positively to my commands. She believes that its a good sign that Trigger loves treats so much cause she her method of training dogs is with rewarding good behavior. She suggested I use a gentle leader on Trigger cause I refuse to be pulled when taking a walk. What do you guys think of the gentle leader & have you had good results. BTW it turns out that Buddy doesn't need training cause he's well educated. He really listens to everything I say. Trigger listens but sometimes pretends he's deaf & I won't put up with that cause I enjoy taking my dogs with me wherever I go & this can cause trouble if he doesn't listen. When we're at home Trigger listens well but when he's in a different environment & has something better to do he'll just ignore me. For example, I was walking him & all of sudden a squirrel appeared before his eyes, let me tell you he almost dislocated my arm! This is unacceptable to me. That's why I'm willing to try the gentle leader but was wondering what you guys think about it. Thanks

Try a Halti/Gentle Leader if you want to, some folks like them (and/or that harness where your leash attaches to the mid-point of the chest strap) but they often aren't enough to handle a Dominant & High-Drive strong, young Akita who hasn't had any proof-training under powerful distractions -- During my Shaka's formal schooling, she needed to wear both a domainant-dog collar & a prong collar simultaneously to learn obedient healing in the face of real temptations ... But since then she's dependable & reliable off-lead as well, thanks to her remote system training, even around taunting cats & teasing squirrels.
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November 18th, 2010, 4:20 pm #4

the halti/gentle leader is proberly best on a dog who already has some training, when I used one I would attatch it to an ordinary neck dog collar as well because they are very good at pulling them off their noses so you need extra safetly :)
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November 18th, 2010, 6:47 pm #5

A big, powerful, bullheaded/headstrong Akita can break out of a Halti in a heartbeat & even pull it to pieces in the process.
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November 18th, 2010, 8:26 pm #6

As you can tell I have many questions these days. Yesterday was my family's first meeting with a canine specialist cause I want to make sure that Trigger responds positively to my commands. She believes that its a good sign that Trigger loves treats so much cause she her method of training dogs is with rewarding good behavior. She suggested I use a gentle leader on Trigger cause I refuse to be pulled when taking a walk. What do you guys think of the gentle leader & have you had good results. BTW it turns out that Buddy doesn't need training cause he's well educated. He really listens to everything I say. Trigger listens but sometimes pretends he's deaf & I won't put up with that cause I enjoy taking my dogs with me wherever I go & this can cause trouble if he doesn't listen. When we're at home Trigger listens well but when he's in a different environment & has something better to do he'll just ignore me. For example, I was walking him & all of sudden a squirrel appeared before his eyes, let me tell you he almost dislocated my arm! This is unacceptable to me. That's why I'm willing to try the gentle leader but was wondering what you guys think about it. Thanks

If Trigger makes a sudden strong lunge with a gentle leader on (such as a mad dash after a squirrel) he could injure his neck. I like Pauline's suggestion of practicing at home first to get him used to it. It sounds safer to let him learn what happens when he puts pressure on a gentle leader in a distraction-free environment.

Yuki and Kiba used to do exactly what Trigger did - nearly dislocating my arm chasing after squirrels on leash. They were both adults when I got them and both walked well on leash otherwise so it took coming across a squirrel on our walk to discover that particular issue, lol. I got them to stop chasing squirrels on leash by turning myself into a tree and not allowing them any forward movement toward the prey and saying "NO!" loudly. (I did that because if I didn't lock myself down they'd pull me along with them in their mad dash) When they finally stopped running around in a semi-circle on the end of the leash and just strained in place, I shortened the leash until I was standing right next to them and made them sit (I had to get in front of them and into their faces to get their attention - they were THAT distracted). Then I made them sit there and watch the squirrel until they seemed more calm and out of their frenzied state before we started walking again. And I told them "Leave it!" when they looked like they wanted to dash toward the squirrel again, with a small leash jerk to make them pay attention to me and walk with me. If they do start running toward the squirrel again, we start the process all over again, until we can walk past the squirrel without them yanking on the leash. It sounds more involved than it actually was when I describe it this way, lol. It took Yuki a couple of times like this to stop chasing squirrels on leash, and it took Kiba only once to get it. Now they won't chase anything (we've passed by squirrels, rabbits, cats, and ducks) as long as they are on leash. Kiba still tries if I didn't see the squirrel and tell him to leave it, and he thinks the squirrel is within leash range, but will stop short if he hits the end of the leash (I've only had him for 3 months so he's still a work in progress). But once I see the squirrel and tell him to leave it he won't try to go after it again. Yuki won't bother to chase even if the squirrel is 3ft from her as long as she is on a leash. They will both still chase squirrels though if they are offleash in our yard. I don't ever walk them offleash because I've never trained them to and I think they'd take off if they see or scent prey! Oh and in case it sounded like they were both running after a squirrel when I was walking them, I trained them separately. Yuki was already trained when I got Kiba so she just stood around and watched when Kiba tried to run after the squirrel.
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November 19th, 2010, 2:14 am #7

Try a Halti/Gentle Leader if you want to, some folks like them (and/or that harness where your leash attaches to the mid-point of the chest strap) but they often aren't enough to handle a Dominant & High-Drive strong, young Akita who hasn't had any proof-training under powerful distractions -- During my Shaka's formal schooling, she needed to wear both a domainant-dog collar & a prong collar simultaneously to learn obedient healing in the face of real temptations ... But since then she's dependable & reliable off-lead as well, thanks to her remote system training, even around taunting cats & teasing squirrels.
pet store and I tried out the gentle leader but I don't really trust it and Trigger really went nuts. I know he has to get used to it but it doesn't seem very safe. So I tried the dominant collar & prong collar. At first I must admit that I didn't even want to put it on him. It looks like its torture. The lady asked me if I would just try it for a few seconds & so I agreed. I'm so grateful I did cause I couldn't believe it. Trigger pulled just a little bit & that was it. I bought the collars & went for a long walk and he walked beside me without pulling once. I want to thank you Candi cause when you mentionned these collars I went on Leerburg and read about them which is what got me curious but onced I got to the store and saw them I got scared of hurting my Trigger & refused to try it but I thought about you and I know you love Akitas & wouldn't injure them so I went for it. I'm so glad I did. Where I live there are lots of rabbits, squirrels ..etc and it isn't easy taking a calm walk but today I was confident with these collars and our walk was so pleasant. Once again thanks!

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November 19th, 2010, 2:19 pm #8

Yes, to the "uninitiated" eye, prong collars look like a torture device -- But one that's sized right & placed correctly will not hurt the dog ... always Always ALWAYS have the leash hooked to a back-up collar Trigger is wearing at the same time (I prefer to use a dominant dog collar for back-up) because in an emergency situation, a prong collar MAY pop open & then the dog gets LOOSE.

Trigger is clearly in GOOD hands at your house !!!
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November 19th, 2010, 4:45 pm #9

If Trigger makes a sudden strong lunge with a gentle leader on (such as a mad dash after a squirrel) he could injure his neck. I like Pauline's suggestion of practicing at home first to get him used to it. It sounds safer to let him learn what happens when he puts pressure on a gentle leader in a distraction-free environment.

Yuki and Kiba used to do exactly what Trigger did - nearly dislocating my arm chasing after squirrels on leash. They were both adults when I got them and both walked well on leash otherwise so it took coming across a squirrel on our walk to discover that particular issue, lol. I got them to stop chasing squirrels on leash by turning myself into a tree and not allowing them any forward movement toward the prey and saying "NO!" loudly. (I did that because if I didn't lock myself down they'd pull me along with them in their mad dash) When they finally stopped running around in a semi-circle on the end of the leash and just strained in place, I shortened the leash until I was standing right next to them and made them sit (I had to get in front of them and into their faces to get their attention - they were THAT distracted). Then I made them sit there and watch the squirrel until they seemed more calm and out of their frenzied state before we started walking again. And I told them "Leave it!" when they looked like they wanted to dash toward the squirrel again, with a small leash jerk to make them pay attention to me and walk with me. If they do start running toward the squirrel again, we start the process all over again, until we can walk past the squirrel without them yanking on the leash. It sounds more involved than it actually was when I describe it this way, lol. It took Yuki a couple of times like this to stop chasing squirrels on leash, and it took Kiba only once to get it. Now they won't chase anything (we've passed by squirrels, rabbits, cats, and ducks) as long as they are on leash. Kiba still tries if I didn't see the squirrel and tell him to leave it, and he thinks the squirrel is within leash range, but will stop short if he hits the end of the leash (I've only had him for 3 months so he's still a work in progress). But once I see the squirrel and tell him to leave it he won't try to go after it again. Yuki won't bother to chase even if the squirrel is 3ft from her as long as she is on a leash. They will both still chase squirrels though if they are offleash in our yard. I don't ever walk them offleash because I've never trained them to and I think they'd take off if they see or scent prey! Oh and in case it sounded like they were both running after a squirrel when I was walking them, I trained them separately. Yuki was already trained when I got Kiba so she just stood around and watched when Kiba tried to run after the squirrel.
Yuki is helping to de-squirral Kiba by showing him how to behave :) I de-squirraled and de-pidgeoned Asia by making her comfrony them in my garden, at first she was like a thing possessed! but just like you did, I stuck with it and now she will stop if I tell her too... well... that`s if she`s in the mood to listen ;)
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November 19th, 2010, 4:47 pm #10

pet store and I tried out the gentle leader but I don't really trust it and Trigger really went nuts. I know he has to get used to it but it doesn't seem very safe. So I tried the dominant collar & prong collar. At first I must admit that I didn't even want to put it on him. It looks like its torture. The lady asked me if I would just try it for a few seconds & so I agreed. I'm so grateful I did cause I couldn't believe it. Trigger pulled just a little bit & that was it. I bought the collars & went for a long walk and he walked beside me without pulling once. I want to thank you Candi cause when you mentionned these collars I went on Leerburg and read about them which is what got me curious but onced I got to the store and saw them I got scared of hurting my Trigger & refused to try it but I thought about you and I know you love Akitas & wouldn't injure them so I went for it. I'm so glad I did. Where I live there are lots of rabbits, squirrels ..etc and it isn't easy taking a calm walk but today I was confident with these collars and our walk was so pleasant. Once again thanks!

something that works for Trigger. How long do you they have to wear the collar? is just until they change their behaviour?
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