Making trees

joshdaarmyboy
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November 21st, 2010, 10:19 am #1

Yesterday I went to a hobby show at garrons yesterday. It was mainly Hornby but there was one stool where there was a scenery man making trees, vegetables and loads more in 1 72. I made a tree which was realy easy and I will definatly make more in the future.
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November 21st, 2010, 10:55 am #2

Ayup...

How ? :shrug:

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November 21st, 2010, 11:21 am #3

get a small twig.  get some wire wool, I think you cover it in brown paint.  Use a glue gun to do dobs on the twig and in smalish  bits to form the tree. leave it to call for about 1 minute and spray a 50:50 mixture of water and PVA glue from a spray bottle. Then scatter some scatter of whatever colour tree you want and then spray another coat of the glue mixture. Let it fdry and there you go, a tree!!! this may take a few times to perfect as my first one was not brilliant.
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November 29th, 2010, 10:13 pm #4

Here one i made earlier  . . .

actually i was just out walking months ago and spotted this  . . .

thinking of using it on my Grimsby diorama as a left over from the clearance of the site to make way for the RAF hutting,.
It will be in the background ...
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joshdaarmyboy
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December 2nd, 2010, 11:30 am #5

I am currently building one myself and have just covered the wire wool with brown Dulux paint. MESSY :twisted:
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December 9th, 2010, 4:54 pm #6

i use clay and wire its quiet easy but clay can be exspensive  :lol:
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February 1st, 2011, 10:27 am #7

here's my technique,
you pretty much twist 15-20 ish strands of wire leaving about 5 sticking out at different heights, then you can merge or bend these into the shape desired (I coated mine with a hot glue gun to give it more shape) then you paint it brown or woody colour and if you want, add foliage (lichen, coarse turf etc.) oterwise it resembles a dead tree
(it is more convincing in 17:2/6th or HO scale

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February 1st, 2011, 12:11 pm #8

I do very similar to you, strider, I coat mine in toilet paper and PVA, then some plaster - the paper and plaster give it a good barky texture.

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February 25th, 2011, 2:31 am #9

I hope this is in the right place.  It's not really a diorama build - just an insane flash of something so please move it, mods. if it shouldn't be here and my apologies in advance!  :oops:

Now I know this is off the wall, but please bear with me.  It might work and it might not!  And if it does work, probably no-one but me will have a use for it, but who knows?  If it doesn't work, then it's back to the drawing board!  I am inspired by Ben's (shorty's) experiments with brick making for his Stalingrad diorama.  If at first you don't succeed and all that!

I was thinking that I would like to replicate something like the boxart of my latest model purchase, which I think is stunning. ...

http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff3 ... wk_Box.jpg

I want to try and give the idea of height.  The model aircraft - a Mowhawk, Skyraider, Cessna Bird Dog  :?:  Would be a foot or more above the diorama base and the base would be a section of the Ho Chi Minh trail with a convoy of trucks making their way through a section of the jungle.  I will have some 1/285 scale trucks for this and a couple of 1/285 Phantoms doing a low level bombing run on the convoy.

The idea is to view the base from above the 1/72 or 1/48 aircraft.  Obviously to be to scale, the aircraft would have to be 10' above the base - hence the use of 1/285 vehicles to try and give the illusion of distance (height).  But what to use for jungle as seen from above?

I bought a few packs of bush/tree foliage and this would be fine, but seeing how much there is per pack and how much I would need, it would be very expensive.

So I put 1/72 into ebay and up pops hundreds of possible models and I am just looking through them - not for anything in particular when I come across Russian Green Cauliflower seeds!  They were amongst the models because they cost £1.72! ...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RUSSIAN-CAULIFLOW ... 4156946eb9

They've gone down in price!  :lol: ... But you can see where I'm going with this!  :idea:

Now, I'm not going to grow green cauliflower from seed!  But you can buy a whole cauliflower for half of the price of the modelling foliage and there is about twice the amount!  But how to preserve it and stop it from rotting?  Well, I read that you can dry vegetables - including califlower to preserve it. To do this, it has to be dried slowly and gently - you don't want to cook it, but just to evaporate the moisture contained in it.  This can be done in an oven on a very low heat 50-100 degrees centigrade (celcius for the youngsters!)  Alternatively near a source of heat on a cake rack.  Slow, gentle heat and air circulation are the key, it would seem.  Of course, if you are preserving it to eat later, you don't want it turning brown, but for the purposes of this, it doesn't matter because it will be painted anyway.

So here is one I made earlier photographed from about 6" above and with a 1/285 Zil truck beside it ...

<a href="http://s1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff3 ... =003-1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff3 ... /003-1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Just one florette of cauliflower to start with.  The next thing is to paint it in suitable shades of green then attempt to seal it by dipping it in Klear and when dry, coating it with a couple of coats of Humbrol Matt Varnish.

The hope is that by drying and sealing, the cauliflower will be preserved and that a large area of this will look like a jungle canopy as seen from some height above!

Once I have completed the above stages, I will report back with more images to see what folks think.

I have no idea if this will work and it may be of no use to anyone else even if it does - unless it inspires someone to do a similar kind of diorama or triggers an idea for something else! It would be worth it even if that's all my little experiment achieves!  Hmmmmm!  I think I am getting an idea for a similar display, but with a North Vietnamese airbase as the diorama base! ... Or the scene from Flight of the Intruder where they bomb the SA2s in Hanoi!  :roll:

Blimey, it must be getting late!  :lol: ... I hope this makes some kind of sense! :roll:
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February 25th, 2011, 3:49 am #10

Look at it this way,if it doesn't work,we'll all think ur crazy and if it does work u'll be crowned a genius.. :lol:
Personally I think it's genius but I have been called crazy quite often!
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February 25th, 2011, 5:06 am #11

:lol:

Cheers, Tony!

Well, if I'm classed as crazy, at least i'm in good company! :thumb:

I think my modelling credibility will go rapidly down the pan before I ever get any credibility! :rotfl:
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February 25th, 2011, 1:47 pm #12

This all seems a little odd I must say :think:  but I feel strangely  drawn to this project.

I wonder if dipping the dried cauliflower into PVA rather than Klear might be a better and perhaps easier way of sealing it prior to painting and varnishing or would that just re-hydrate it :scratch:  :shrug: .

Am interested to see how this all turns out, if it comes off I think it will look pretty effective.

Cheers

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February 25th, 2011, 1:57 pm #13

Alan.  I think this could work i like the way you are thinking with this one.  PVA might be better at sealing it. Or varnish used for wood. I wonder what other veg you could use :?: . A very bonkers idea. I will be keeping any eye on this one. Mike
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February 25th, 2011, 2:24 pm #14

Thanks Stu and Mike!

I hadn't thought of PVA so I will try one with that too and see what happens.  I would think it just needs to be sealed from external moisture and that should preserve it permanently!  I am as clueless as you are on this so it will be trial and error.  Having seen many photos and videos of jungle terrain from above, this looked like it could replicate the dense jungle look.  I can picture it in my head, but it's making that a reality ... and that is a whole new kettle of fish!  I might be crazy, but I suppose it takes all kinds! :airhead:
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February 25th, 2011, 3:14 pm #15

Somehow I have the feeling that this might just not work...no matter how well you seal it...even if it was put in a leadcase it wil rot.
You could make a mold of the cauliflower head and then cast some in plaster.
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