The Dornier Do 17 “Bacalao” in Spanish skies part 2

The Dornier Do 17 “Bacalao” in Spanish skies part 2

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July 18th, 2012, 7:15 pm #1

Antes de continuar con la parte 2, empiezo con algunas adiciones y correcciones sobre la parte 1:

27-7: Una imagen y un perfil de este avión en (uno de) su primera aparición (s). El perfil será muy conocido, pero yo nunca había visto una foto de 27-2 en este esquema. (¿Quién más que) Vladimir me ha enviado una foto para demostrar que es real.





Para los técnicos o modeladores, me olvidé de incluir la imagen de las radiales de los BMW 132N para la versión de Do 17P:



Por otra parte una visión revisada de los Dornier Do 17 utilizadas en España:



Esto es todo por la parte 1.

Nota: Lo siento mucho decirlo, pero los próximos 16 días que no tienen medios para responder a las reacciones sobre este tema, ya que se van los días festivos (sin dispositivos de comunicación eléctricos como ordenadores portátiles, iPads etcs). Nos vemos de nuevo en algo más de 2 semanas,

Saludos cordiales,

Peter.
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Before continuing with part 2, I start with some additions / corrections concerning part 1:

27-7: A picture and a profile of this aircraft in (one of) its first appearance(s). The profile will be well known, but I had never seen a picture of 27-2 in this scheme. (Who else than) Vladimir has sent me a picture to prove that it is for real.

For the technicians / modellers, I forgot to include the picture of the the BMW 132N radials for the Do 17P version:

Furthermore a revised overview of the Do 17s used in Spain:

Thats it for part 1.

N.B.: I am very sorry to say so, but the next 16 days I have no means to answer any reactions on this thread, because we are are going on holidays (without any electric communication devices like laptops, ipads etc). See you again in something more than 2 weeks,

Kind regards,

Peter.



Part 2:

27-11

Pictures 116 - 123







and some pictures of its fatal crash on the narrow airstrip at La Albericia (Santander) on the 15th of September 1937, colliding with and destroying He 70 14-57.













27-12

Picture 124





27-13

Pictures 125 - 128

In service with A.88



In service with 8-G-27









27-14 (Schnuckes)

Pictures 129 143

In service with A.88













In service with A.88 as Schnuckes












27-14 in service with 8-G-27 Ejercito del Aire











27-15 (with Owl insignia)

Pictures 144 - 148













27-16 (Ace of diamonds - Mucki)

Pictures 149 153









This picture was taken just before the last flight of 27-16 on 05-08-1938 with Ofw. Mende in the cockpit. It was hit by A.A.F. near Flix, the aircraft crashed into the Ebro, Oblt. Fach & Ofw. Mende escaped by parachute, Uffz. Lehmann died





27-17

Pictures 154 - 158

With A.88








With 8-G-27







27-18

Pictures 159 - 162

In service with A.88





Probably 8-G-27:







27-19

Pictures 163 - 168

A.88







8-G-27 Del Arco





Nose details:





27-20 Das hab ich gern

Pictures 169 173:













27-21 Comandante Rambaud

Pictures 174 - 181:

A.88





8-G-27







Comandante Rambaud




The caption of this picture is not entirely correct, this was not 27-3 (ex Pedro 3), Pedro 3 was the aircraft in which Comandante Rambaud and his crew made their last fatal flight.







27-22

Pictures 182 - 186:

Note the three I.M.A.M. Ro.41 fighters flying over 27-22



First crash



Final crash and salvage operation









27-23 Bombereiter [1], see also 27-25

Pictures 187 - 190:





Note different style of lettering







27-24 Papas Liebling [2], see also 27-9

Pictures 191 - 198:



Carrying a later version of Papas Liebling insignia



in detail















27-25 Bombereiter [2], see also 27-23

Pictures 199 - 205:

















27-26 Cat with umbrella insignia,

Pictures 206 - 214:







with cat with umbrella insignia















27-27

Pictures 215 - 217:









27-28

Pictures 218 - 222:

A.88





8-G-27 EdA









27-29 (with horseshoe and four-leaved clovers insignia)

Pictures 223 - 228:





with horseshoe and four-leaved clovers insignia











27-30

Pictures 229 231 Ejercito del Aire:





Recoded I-8 (R.3-30)





27-31

Picture 232 Ejercito del Aire





27-32

Picture 233







Sources:

Air Enthusiast no 30: Picture 1, 141, 163,
Magazine HPM 1993_01 (Czecho Slovakia): Picture 2, 16, 98, 101,
Kagero Dornier Do17 part 1 by Edward Kocent Zielinski: picture 3, 4, 8, 10
Wikipedia: picture 5,
Bilek Modelarum no 12 - DornierDo-17E-F-4: Picture 6
Bernard Graefe Verlag Vom Original zum Modell Dornier Do-17-Do-215 by Karl-Heinz Regna: picture 7
Luftwaffe Dornier Do 17P Flugzeug handbuch: Picture 9, 13, 14, 15
Website AERONET GCE-IBERONET: Picture 11, 12, 19, 51, 165, 168, 171, 172, 184, 186, 219, 233
Ebay (Germany): Picture 17, 21, 27, 29, 42, 44, 48, 52, 60, 65, 75, 88, 95, 96, 116, 117, 126, 128, 133, 139, 148, 157, 166, 175, 181, 182, 191, 202, 210,
Jet & Prop Foto-Archiv band nr 12: Picture 18, 20, 90, 105, 150, 192,
Archive Vladimir Nikiforov: Picture 22, 24, 26, 30, 33, 34, 35, 36, 39, 46, 47, 53, 55, 56, 59, 63, 64, 66, 67, 69, 70, 71, 73, 74, 76, 77, 78 79, 80, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 92, 93, 97, 99, 102, 107, 108, 109, 110, 112, 114, 115, 118, 119, 120, 125, 127, 129, 130, 137, 138, 144, 146, 147, 151, 152, 153, 159, 162, 164, 167, 169, 173, 176, 178, 183, 185, 187, 193, 194, 196, 199, 201, 206, 207, 208, 212, 215, 217, 226, 228,
Archive Manuel Rodrigues Valverde: Picture 23, 40
Archive Juan Arraez Cerda (via Aeronet GCE-Iberonet): Picture 25, 28, 38, 43, 161, 221, 229, 230,
My Scrap book: Picture 31, 45, 54, 57, 58, 72, 91, 106, 136, 145, 190, 198,
Aircam-Osprey Airwar no 3 Spanish Civil War Air Force: Picture 32
Hikoki Condor The Luftwaffe in Spain 1936-1939 by Patrick Laureau: Picture 37, 50, 62, 68, 81, 113, 134, 135, 149, 170, 179, 180, 195, 197, 200, 209, 213, 214, 223, 225,
Eksprint (Russia) Dornier Do 17 by C Kushnikov: Picture 41
Archive Salvador Marin: Picture 49
Jet & Prop Magazine 2009-01: Picture 61
Aeroplano no 9 (Spanish magazine): Picture 89, 174, 205,
AirDOC WWII Combat Aircraft Photo Archive ADC003 - DornierDo-17E-ZDo-215: Picture 94, 111, 160, 211,
Classic Air War over Spain by Rafael Permuy: Picture 100,
Flugzeug Archiv no 9: Picture 103,
Aviation Corner Net Website: Picture 104, 131, 142, 158,
Aircraft of World War II Warbird Forums: Picture 124
Luftwaffe Experten Message Board Website: Picture 121, 122, 123, 227,
Crowood Luftwaffe A Pictorial History by Eric Mombeek: Picture 132,
Las Unidades y el material del Ejercito de Aire durante la segunda Guerra mondial by Jose LG Serrano: Picture 140, 143, 220,
Typy Broni no 147: Picture 154,
Luftwaffe Photo Report 1919-1945: Picture 156,
Aeroplano no 11 (Spanish magazine): Picture 177, 216, 222, 231,
Jet & Prop 2010-02: Picture 188,
Spearhead 15 Condor Legion-The Wehrmachts Training Ground: Picture 189,
Aeroplano no 6: Picture 203, 232,
Luftwaffe Camouflage 1939 1940 volume 23 by Alain Floret: Picture 204,
Flugzeug Classic Extra no 4 Magazine: Picture 218,
Enciclopedia de la Aviacion Militar Espanola no 012 Offensiva en Levante 1937: Picture 224,








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Manuel Rodríguez Valverde
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July 19th, 2012, 2:01 pm #2

impresionante, un gran trabajo Peter
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July 19th, 2012, 2:50 pm #3

Antes de continuar con la parte 2, empiezo con algunas adiciones y correcciones sobre la parte 1:

27-7: Una imagen y un perfil de este avión en (uno de) su primera aparición (s). El perfil será muy conocido, pero yo nunca había visto una foto de 27-2 en este esquema. (¿Quién más que) Vladimir me ha enviado una foto para demostrar que es real.





Para los técnicos o modeladores, me olvidé de incluir la imagen de las radiales de los BMW 132N para la versión de Do 17P:



Por otra parte una visión revisada de los Dornier Do 17 utilizadas en España:



Esto es todo por la parte 1.

Nota: Lo siento mucho decirlo, pero los próximos 16 días que no tienen medios para responder a las reacciones sobre este tema, ya que se van los días festivos (sin dispositivos de comunicación eléctricos como ordenadores portátiles, iPads etcs). Nos vemos de nuevo en algo más de 2 semanas,

Saludos cordiales,

Peter.
=============================================================================

Before continuing with part 2, I start with some additions / corrections concerning part 1:

27-7: A picture and a profile of this aircraft in (one of) its first appearance(s). The profile will be well known, but I had never seen a picture of 27-2 in this scheme. (Who else than) Vladimir has sent me a picture to prove that it is for real.

For the technicians / modellers, I forgot to include the picture of the the BMW 132N radials for the Do 17P version:

Furthermore a revised overview of the Do 17s used in Spain:

Thats it for part 1.

N.B.: I am very sorry to say so, but the next 16 days I have no means to answer any reactions on this thread, because we are are going on holidays (without any electric communication devices like laptops, ipads etc). See you again in something more than 2 weeks,

Kind regards,

Peter.



Part 2:

27-11

Pictures 116 - 123







and some pictures of its fatal crash on the narrow airstrip at La Albericia (Santander) on the 15th of September 1937, colliding with and destroying He 70 14-57.













27-12

Picture 124





27-13

Pictures 125 - 128

In service with A.88



In service with 8-G-27









27-14 (Schnuckes)

Pictures 129 143

In service with A.88













In service with A.88 as Schnuckes












27-14 in service with 8-G-27 Ejercito del Aire











27-15 (with Owl insignia)

Pictures 144 - 148













27-16 (Ace of diamonds - Mucki)

Pictures 149 153









This picture was taken just before the last flight of 27-16 on 05-08-1938 with Ofw. Mende in the cockpit. It was hit by A.A.F. near Flix, the aircraft crashed into the Ebro, Oblt. Fach & Ofw. Mende escaped by parachute, Uffz. Lehmann died





27-17

Pictures 154 - 158

With A.88








With 8-G-27







27-18

Pictures 159 - 162

In service with A.88





Probably 8-G-27:







27-19

Pictures 163 - 168

A.88







8-G-27 Del Arco





Nose details:





27-20 Das hab ich gern

Pictures 169 173:













27-21 Comandante Rambaud

Pictures 174 - 181:

A.88





8-G-27







Comandante Rambaud




The caption of this picture is not entirely correct, this was not 27-3 (ex Pedro 3), Pedro 3 was the aircraft in which Comandante Rambaud and his crew made their last fatal flight.







27-22

Pictures 182 - 186:

Note the three I.M.A.M. Ro.41 fighters flying over 27-22



First crash



Final crash and salvage operation









27-23 Bombereiter [1], see also 27-25

Pictures 187 - 190:





Note different style of lettering







27-24 Papas Liebling [2], see also 27-9

Pictures 191 - 198:



Carrying a later version of Papas Liebling insignia



in detail















27-25 Bombereiter [2], see also 27-23

Pictures 199 - 205:

















27-26 Cat with umbrella insignia,

Pictures 206 - 214:







with cat with umbrella insignia















27-27

Pictures 215 - 217:









27-28

Pictures 218 - 222:

A.88





8-G-27 EdA









27-29 (with horseshoe and four-leaved clovers insignia)

Pictures 223 - 228:





with horseshoe and four-leaved clovers insignia











27-30

Pictures 229 231 Ejercito del Aire:





Recoded I-8 (R.3-30)





27-31

Picture 232 Ejercito del Aire





27-32

Picture 233







Sources:

Air Enthusiast no 30: Picture 1, 141, 163,
Magazine HPM 1993_01 (Czecho Slovakia): Picture 2, 16, 98, 101,
Kagero Dornier Do17 part 1 by Edward Kocent Zielinski: picture 3, 4, 8, 10
Wikipedia: picture 5,
Bilek Modelarum no 12 - DornierDo-17E-F-4: Picture 6
Bernard Graefe Verlag Vom Original zum Modell Dornier Do-17-Do-215 by Karl-Heinz Regna: picture 7
Luftwaffe Dornier Do 17P Flugzeug handbuch: Picture 9, 13, 14, 15
Website AERONET GCE-IBERONET: Picture 11, 12, 19, 51, 165, 168, 171, 172, 184, 186, 219, 233
Ebay (Germany): Picture 17, 21, 27, 29, 42, 44, 48, 52, 60, 65, 75, 88, 95, 96, 116, 117, 126, 128, 133, 139, 148, 157, 166, 175, 181, 182, 191, 202, 210,
Jet & Prop Foto-Archiv band nr 12: Picture 18, 20, 90, 105, 150, 192,
Archive Vladimir Nikiforov: Picture 22, 24, 26, 30, 33, 34, 35, 36, 39, 46, 47, 53, 55, 56, 59, 63, 64, 66, 67, 69, 70, 71, 73, 74, 76, 77, 78 79, 80, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 92, 93, 97, 99, 102, 107, 108, 109, 110, 112, 114, 115, 118, 119, 120, 125, 127, 129, 130, 137, 138, 144, 146, 147, 151, 152, 153, 159, 162, 164, 167, 169, 173, 176, 178, 183, 185, 187, 193, 194, 196, 199, 201, 206, 207, 208, 212, 215, 217, 226, 228,
Archive Manuel Rodrigues Valverde: Picture 23, 40
Archive Juan Arraez Cerda (via Aeronet GCE-Iberonet): Picture 25, 28, 38, 43, 161, 221, 229, 230,
My Scrap book: Picture 31, 45, 54, 57, 58, 72, 91, 106, 136, 145, 190, 198,
Aircam-Osprey Airwar no 3 Spanish Civil War Air Force: Picture 32
Hikoki Condor The Luftwaffe in Spain 1936-1939 by Patrick Laureau: Picture 37, 50, 62, 68, 81, 113, 134, 135, 149, 170, 179, 180, 195, 197, 200, 209, 213, 214, 223, 225,
Eksprint (Russia) Dornier Do 17 by C Kushnikov: Picture 41
Archive Salvador Marin: Picture 49
Jet & Prop Magazine 2009-01: Picture 61
Aeroplano no 9 (Spanish magazine): Picture 89, 174, 205,
AirDOC WWII Combat Aircraft Photo Archive ADC003 - DornierDo-17E-ZDo-215: Picture 94, 111, 160, 211,
Classic Air War over Spain by Rafael Permuy: Picture 100,
Flugzeug Archiv no 9: Picture 103,
Aviation Corner Net Website: Picture 104, 131, 142, 158,
Aircraft of World War II Warbird Forums: Picture 124
Luftwaffe Experten Message Board Website: Picture 121, 122, 123, 227,
Crowood Luftwaffe A Pictorial History by Eric Mombeek: Picture 132,
Las Unidades y el material del Ejercito de Aire durante la segunda Guerra mondial by Jose LG Serrano: Picture 140, 143, 220,
Typy Broni no 147: Picture 154,
Luftwaffe Photo Report 1919-1945: Picture 156,
Aeroplano no 11 (Spanish magazine): Picture 177, 216, 222, 231,
Jet & Prop 2010-02: Picture 188,
Spearhead 15 Condor Legion-The Wehrmachts Training Ground: Picture 189,
Aeroplano no 6: Picture 203, 232,
Luftwaffe Camouflage 1939 1940 volume 23 by Alain Floret: Picture 204,
Flugzeug Classic Extra no 4 Magazine: Picture 218,
Enciclopedia de la Aviacion Militar Espanola no 012 Offensiva en Levante 1937: Picture 224,







Great work. Thank you for share with us your researchs Peter.
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July 19th, 2012, 3:51 pm #4

Antes de continuar con la parte 2, empiezo con algunas adiciones y correcciones sobre la parte 1:

27-7: Una imagen y un perfil de este avión en (uno de) su primera aparición (s). El perfil será muy conocido, pero yo nunca había visto una foto de 27-2 en este esquema. (¿Quién más que) Vladimir me ha enviado una foto para demostrar que es real.





Para los técnicos o modeladores, me olvidé de incluir la imagen de las radiales de los BMW 132N para la versión de Do 17P:



Por otra parte una visión revisada de los Dornier Do 17 utilizadas en España:



Esto es todo por la parte 1.

Nota: Lo siento mucho decirlo, pero los próximos 16 días que no tienen medios para responder a las reacciones sobre este tema, ya que se van los días festivos (sin dispositivos de comunicación eléctricos como ordenadores portátiles, iPads etcs). Nos vemos de nuevo en algo más de 2 semanas,

Saludos cordiales,

Peter.
=============================================================================

Before continuing with part 2, I start with some additions / corrections concerning part 1:

27-7: A picture and a profile of this aircraft in (one of) its first appearance(s). The profile will be well known, but I had never seen a picture of 27-2 in this scheme. (Who else than) Vladimir has sent me a picture to prove that it is for real.

For the technicians / modellers, I forgot to include the picture of the the BMW 132N radials for the Do 17P version:

Furthermore a revised overview of the Do 17s used in Spain:

Thats it for part 1.

N.B.: I am very sorry to say so, but the next 16 days I have no means to answer any reactions on this thread, because we are are going on holidays (without any electric communication devices like laptops, ipads etc). See you again in something more than 2 weeks,

Kind regards,

Peter.



Part 2:

27-11

Pictures 116 - 123







and some pictures of its fatal crash on the narrow airstrip at La Albericia (Santander) on the 15th of September 1937, colliding with and destroying He 70 14-57.













27-12

Picture 124





27-13

Pictures 125 - 128

In service with A.88



In service with 8-G-27









27-14 (Schnuckes)

Pictures 129 143

In service with A.88













In service with A.88 as Schnuckes












27-14 in service with 8-G-27 Ejercito del Aire











27-15 (with Owl insignia)

Pictures 144 - 148













27-16 (Ace of diamonds - Mucki)

Pictures 149 153









This picture was taken just before the last flight of 27-16 on 05-08-1938 with Ofw. Mende in the cockpit. It was hit by A.A.F. near Flix, the aircraft crashed into the Ebro, Oblt. Fach & Ofw. Mende escaped by parachute, Uffz. Lehmann died





27-17

Pictures 154 - 158

With A.88








With 8-G-27







27-18

Pictures 159 - 162

In service with A.88





Probably 8-G-27:







27-19

Pictures 163 - 168

A.88







8-G-27 Del Arco





Nose details:





27-20 Das hab ich gern

Pictures 169 173:













27-21 Comandante Rambaud

Pictures 174 - 181:

A.88





8-G-27







Comandante Rambaud




The caption of this picture is not entirely correct, this was not 27-3 (ex Pedro 3), Pedro 3 was the aircraft in which Comandante Rambaud and his crew made their last fatal flight.







27-22

Pictures 182 - 186:

Note the three I.M.A.M. Ro.41 fighters flying over 27-22



First crash



Final crash and salvage operation









27-23 Bombereiter [1], see also 27-25

Pictures 187 - 190:





Note different style of lettering







27-24 Papas Liebling [2], see also 27-9

Pictures 191 - 198:



Carrying a later version of Papas Liebling insignia



in detail















27-25 Bombereiter [2], see also 27-23

Pictures 199 - 205:

















27-26 Cat with umbrella insignia,

Pictures 206 - 214:







with cat with umbrella insignia















27-27

Pictures 215 - 217:









27-28

Pictures 218 - 222:

A.88





8-G-27 EdA









27-29 (with horseshoe and four-leaved clovers insignia)

Pictures 223 - 228:





with horseshoe and four-leaved clovers insignia











27-30

Pictures 229 231 Ejercito del Aire:





Recoded I-8 (R.3-30)





27-31

Picture 232 Ejercito del Aire





27-32

Picture 233







Sources:

Air Enthusiast no 30: Picture 1, 141, 163,
Magazine HPM 1993_01 (Czecho Slovakia): Picture 2, 16, 98, 101,
Kagero Dornier Do17 part 1 by Edward Kocent Zielinski: picture 3, 4, 8, 10
Wikipedia: picture 5,
Bilek Modelarum no 12 - DornierDo-17E-F-4: Picture 6
Bernard Graefe Verlag Vom Original zum Modell Dornier Do-17-Do-215 by Karl-Heinz Regna: picture 7
Luftwaffe Dornier Do 17P Flugzeug handbuch: Picture 9, 13, 14, 15
Website AERONET GCE-IBERONET: Picture 11, 12, 19, 51, 165, 168, 171, 172, 184, 186, 219, 233
Ebay (Germany): Picture 17, 21, 27, 29, 42, 44, 48, 52, 60, 65, 75, 88, 95, 96, 116, 117, 126, 128, 133, 139, 148, 157, 166, 175, 181, 182, 191, 202, 210,
Jet & Prop Foto-Archiv band nr 12: Picture 18, 20, 90, 105, 150, 192,
Archive Vladimir Nikiforov: Picture 22, 24, 26, 30, 33, 34, 35, 36, 39, 46, 47, 53, 55, 56, 59, 63, 64, 66, 67, 69, 70, 71, 73, 74, 76, 77, 78 79, 80, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 92, 93, 97, 99, 102, 107, 108, 109, 110, 112, 114, 115, 118, 119, 120, 125, 127, 129, 130, 137, 138, 144, 146, 147, 151, 152, 153, 159, 162, 164, 167, 169, 173, 176, 178, 183, 185, 187, 193, 194, 196, 199, 201, 206, 207, 208, 212, 215, 217, 226, 228,
Archive Manuel Rodrigues Valverde: Picture 23, 40
Archive Juan Arraez Cerda (via Aeronet GCE-Iberonet): Picture 25, 28, 38, 43, 161, 221, 229, 230,
My Scrap book: Picture 31, 45, 54, 57, 58, 72, 91, 106, 136, 145, 190, 198,
Aircam-Osprey Airwar no 3 Spanish Civil War Air Force: Picture 32
Hikoki Condor The Luftwaffe in Spain 1936-1939 by Patrick Laureau: Picture 37, 50, 62, 68, 81, 113, 134, 135, 149, 170, 179, 180, 195, 197, 200, 209, 213, 214, 223, 225,
Eksprint (Russia) Dornier Do 17 by C Kushnikov: Picture 41
Archive Salvador Marin: Picture 49
Jet & Prop Magazine 2009-01: Picture 61
Aeroplano no 9 (Spanish magazine): Picture 89, 174, 205,
AirDOC WWII Combat Aircraft Photo Archive ADC003 - DornierDo-17E-ZDo-215: Picture 94, 111, 160, 211,
Classic Air War over Spain by Rafael Permuy: Picture 100,
Flugzeug Archiv no 9: Picture 103,
Aviation Corner Net Website: Picture 104, 131, 142, 158,
Aircraft of World War II Warbird Forums: Picture 124
Luftwaffe Experten Message Board Website: Picture 121, 122, 123, 227,
Crowood Luftwaffe A Pictorial History by Eric Mombeek: Picture 132,
Las Unidades y el material del Ejercito de Aire durante la segunda Guerra mondial by Jose LG Serrano: Picture 140, 143, 220,
Typy Broni no 147: Picture 154,
Luftwaffe Photo Report 1919-1945: Picture 156,
Aeroplano no 11 (Spanish magazine): Picture 177, 216, 222, 231,
Jet & Prop 2010-02: Picture 188,
Spearhead 15 Condor Legion-The Wehrmachts Training Ground: Picture 189,
Aeroplano no 6: Picture 203, 232,
Luftwaffe Camouflage 1939 1940 volume 23 by Alain Floret: Picture 204,
Flugzeug Classic Extra no 4 Magazine: Picture 218,
Enciclopedia de la Aviacion Militar Espanola no 012 Offensiva en Levante 1937: Picture 224,







Tras repasar todoas las fotos de Peter, me acordé del emblema de la sirena que el equipo de Claus Witt pintó (como todos los demás aviones que lucen decoraciones) en este Do-17 en´León, pero no sé que serial tiene este avión en concreto.

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Justo A. Ramírez
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July 19th, 2012, 9:04 pm #5

Antes de continuar con la parte 2, empiezo con algunas adiciones y correcciones sobre la parte 1:

27-7: Una imagen y un perfil de este avión en (uno de) su primera aparición (s). El perfil será muy conocido, pero yo nunca había visto una foto de 27-2 en este esquema. (¿Quién más que) Vladimir me ha enviado una foto para demostrar que es real.





Para los técnicos o modeladores, me olvidé de incluir la imagen de las radiales de los BMW 132N para la versión de Do 17P:



Por otra parte una visión revisada de los Dornier Do 17 utilizadas en España:



Esto es todo por la parte 1.

Nota: Lo siento mucho decirlo, pero los próximos 16 días que no tienen medios para responder a las reacciones sobre este tema, ya que se van los días festivos (sin dispositivos de comunicación eléctricos como ordenadores portátiles, iPads etcs). Nos vemos de nuevo en algo más de 2 semanas,

Saludos cordiales,

Peter.
=============================================================================

Before continuing with part 2, I start with some additions / corrections concerning part 1:

27-7: A picture and a profile of this aircraft in (one of) its first appearance(s). The profile will be well known, but I had never seen a picture of 27-2 in this scheme. (Who else than) Vladimir has sent me a picture to prove that it is for real.

For the technicians / modellers, I forgot to include the picture of the the BMW 132N radials for the Do 17P version:

Furthermore a revised overview of the Do 17s used in Spain:

Thats it for part 1.

N.B.: I am very sorry to say so, but the next 16 days I have no means to answer any reactions on this thread, because we are are going on holidays (without any electric communication devices like laptops, ipads etc). See you again in something more than 2 weeks,

Kind regards,

Peter.



Part 2:

27-11

Pictures 116 - 123







and some pictures of its fatal crash on the narrow airstrip at La Albericia (Santander) on the 15th of September 1937, colliding with and destroying He 70 14-57.













27-12

Picture 124





27-13

Pictures 125 - 128

In service with A.88



In service with 8-G-27









27-14 (Schnuckes)

Pictures 129 143

In service with A.88













In service with A.88 as Schnuckes












27-14 in service with 8-G-27 Ejercito del Aire











27-15 (with Owl insignia)

Pictures 144 - 148













27-16 (Ace of diamonds - Mucki)

Pictures 149 153









This picture was taken just before the last flight of 27-16 on 05-08-1938 with Ofw. Mende in the cockpit. It was hit by A.A.F. near Flix, the aircraft crashed into the Ebro, Oblt. Fach & Ofw. Mende escaped by parachute, Uffz. Lehmann died





27-17

Pictures 154 - 158

With A.88








With 8-G-27







27-18

Pictures 159 - 162

In service with A.88





Probably 8-G-27:







27-19

Pictures 163 - 168

A.88







8-G-27 Del Arco





Nose details:





27-20 Das hab ich gern

Pictures 169 173:













27-21 Comandante Rambaud

Pictures 174 - 181:

A.88





8-G-27







Comandante Rambaud




The caption of this picture is not entirely correct, this was not 27-3 (ex Pedro 3), Pedro 3 was the aircraft in which Comandante Rambaud and his crew made their last fatal flight.







27-22

Pictures 182 - 186:

Note the three I.M.A.M. Ro.41 fighters flying over 27-22



First crash



Final crash and salvage operation









27-23 Bombereiter [1], see also 27-25

Pictures 187 - 190:





Note different style of lettering







27-24 Papas Liebling [2], see also 27-9

Pictures 191 - 198:



Carrying a later version of Papas Liebling insignia



in detail















27-25 Bombereiter [2], see also 27-23

Pictures 199 - 205:

















27-26 Cat with umbrella insignia,

Pictures 206 - 214:







with cat with umbrella insignia















27-27

Pictures 215 - 217:









27-28

Pictures 218 - 222:

A.88





8-G-27 EdA









27-29 (with horseshoe and four-leaved clovers insignia)

Pictures 223 - 228:





with horseshoe and four-leaved clovers insignia











27-30

Pictures 229 231 Ejercito del Aire:





Recoded I-8 (R.3-30)





27-31

Picture 232 Ejercito del Aire





27-32

Picture 233







Sources:

Air Enthusiast no 30: Picture 1, 141, 163,
Magazine HPM 1993_01 (Czecho Slovakia): Picture 2, 16, 98, 101,
Kagero Dornier Do17 part 1 by Edward Kocent Zielinski: picture 3, 4, 8, 10
Wikipedia: picture 5,
Bilek Modelarum no 12 - DornierDo-17E-F-4: Picture 6
Bernard Graefe Verlag Vom Original zum Modell Dornier Do-17-Do-215 by Karl-Heinz Regna: picture 7
Luftwaffe Dornier Do 17P Flugzeug handbuch: Picture 9, 13, 14, 15
Website AERONET GCE-IBERONET: Picture 11, 12, 19, 51, 165, 168, 171, 172, 184, 186, 219, 233
Ebay (Germany): Picture 17, 21, 27, 29, 42, 44, 48, 52, 60, 65, 75, 88, 95, 96, 116, 117, 126, 128, 133, 139, 148, 157, 166, 175, 181, 182, 191, 202, 210,
Jet & Prop Foto-Archiv band nr 12: Picture 18, 20, 90, 105, 150, 192,
Archive Vladimir Nikiforov: Picture 22, 24, 26, 30, 33, 34, 35, 36, 39, 46, 47, 53, 55, 56, 59, 63, 64, 66, 67, 69, 70, 71, 73, 74, 76, 77, 78 79, 80, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 92, 93, 97, 99, 102, 107, 108, 109, 110, 112, 114, 115, 118, 119, 120, 125, 127, 129, 130, 137, 138, 144, 146, 147, 151, 152, 153, 159, 162, 164, 167, 169, 173, 176, 178, 183, 185, 187, 193, 194, 196, 199, 201, 206, 207, 208, 212, 215, 217, 226, 228,
Archive Manuel Rodrigues Valverde: Picture 23, 40
Archive Juan Arraez Cerda (via Aeronet GCE-Iberonet): Picture 25, 28, 38, 43, 161, 221, 229, 230,
My Scrap book: Picture 31, 45, 54, 57, 58, 72, 91, 106, 136, 145, 190, 198,
Aircam-Osprey Airwar no 3 Spanish Civil War Air Force: Picture 32
Hikoki Condor The Luftwaffe in Spain 1936-1939 by Patrick Laureau: Picture 37, 50, 62, 68, 81, 113, 134, 135, 149, 170, 179, 180, 195, 197, 200, 209, 213, 214, 223, 225,
Eksprint (Russia) Dornier Do 17 by C Kushnikov: Picture 41
Archive Salvador Marin: Picture 49
Jet & Prop Magazine 2009-01: Picture 61
Aeroplano no 9 (Spanish magazine): Picture 89, 174, 205,
AirDOC WWII Combat Aircraft Photo Archive ADC003 - DornierDo-17E-ZDo-215: Picture 94, 111, 160, 211,
Classic Air War over Spain by Rafael Permuy: Picture 100,
Flugzeug Archiv no 9: Picture 103,
Aviation Corner Net Website: Picture 104, 131, 142, 158,
Aircraft of World War II Warbird Forums: Picture 124
Luftwaffe Experten Message Board Website: Picture 121, 122, 123, 227,
Crowood Luftwaffe A Pictorial History by Eric Mombeek: Picture 132,
Las Unidades y el material del Ejercito de Aire durante la segunda Guerra mondial by Jose LG Serrano: Picture 140, 143, 220,
Typy Broni no 147: Picture 154,
Luftwaffe Photo Report 1919-1945: Picture 156,
Aeroplano no 11 (Spanish magazine): Picture 177, 216, 222, 231,
Jet & Prop 2010-02: Picture 188,
Spearhead 15 Condor Legion-The Wehrmachts Training Ground: Picture 189,
Aeroplano no 6: Picture 203, 232,
Luftwaffe Camouflage 1939 1940 volume 23 by Alain Floret: Picture 204,
Flugzeug Classic Extra no 4 Magazine: Picture 218,
Enciclopedia de la Aviacion Militar Espanola no 012 Offensiva en Levante 1937: Picture 224,







.......Peter.Muchas gracias por compartir toda esa enorme información,tan interesante con todos.
saludos.
Justo.

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Antonio Armario
Antonio Armario

July 19th, 2012, 9:39 pm #6

Antes de continuar con la parte 2, empiezo con algunas adiciones y correcciones sobre la parte 1:

27-7: Una imagen y un perfil de este avión en (uno de) su primera aparición (s). El perfil será muy conocido, pero yo nunca había visto una foto de 27-2 en este esquema. (¿Quién más que) Vladimir me ha enviado una foto para demostrar que es real.





Para los técnicos o modeladores, me olvidé de incluir la imagen de las radiales de los BMW 132N para la versión de Do 17P:



Por otra parte una visión revisada de los Dornier Do 17 utilizadas en España:



Esto es todo por la parte 1.

Nota: Lo siento mucho decirlo, pero los próximos 16 días que no tienen medios para responder a las reacciones sobre este tema, ya que se van los días festivos (sin dispositivos de comunicación eléctricos como ordenadores portátiles, iPads etcs). Nos vemos de nuevo en algo más de 2 semanas,

Saludos cordiales,

Peter.
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Before continuing with part 2, I start with some additions / corrections concerning part 1:

27-7: A picture and a profile of this aircraft in (one of) its first appearance(s). The profile will be well known, but I had never seen a picture of 27-2 in this scheme. (Who else than) Vladimir has sent me a picture to prove that it is for real.

For the technicians / modellers, I forgot to include the picture of the the BMW 132N radials for the Do 17P version:

Furthermore a revised overview of the Do 17s used in Spain:

Thats it for part 1.

N.B.: I am very sorry to say so, but the next 16 days I have no means to answer any reactions on this thread, because we are are going on holidays (without any electric communication devices like laptops, ipads etc). See you again in something more than 2 weeks,

Kind regards,

Peter.



Part 2:

27-11

Pictures 116 - 123







and some pictures of its fatal crash on the narrow airstrip at La Albericia (Santander) on the 15th of September 1937, colliding with and destroying He 70 14-57.













27-12

Picture 124





27-13

Pictures 125 - 128

In service with A.88



In service with 8-G-27









27-14 (Schnuckes)

Pictures 129 143

In service with A.88













In service with A.88 as Schnuckes












27-14 in service with 8-G-27 Ejercito del Aire











27-15 (with Owl insignia)

Pictures 144 - 148













27-16 (Ace of diamonds - Mucki)

Pictures 149 153









This picture was taken just before the last flight of 27-16 on 05-08-1938 with Ofw. Mende in the cockpit. It was hit by A.A.F. near Flix, the aircraft crashed into the Ebro, Oblt. Fach & Ofw. Mende escaped by parachute, Uffz. Lehmann died





27-17

Pictures 154 - 158

With A.88








With 8-G-27







27-18

Pictures 159 - 162

In service with A.88





Probably 8-G-27:







27-19

Pictures 163 - 168

A.88







8-G-27 Del Arco





Nose details:





27-20 Das hab ich gern

Pictures 169 173:













27-21 Comandante Rambaud

Pictures 174 - 181:

A.88





8-G-27







Comandante Rambaud




The caption of this picture is not entirely correct, this was not 27-3 (ex Pedro 3), Pedro 3 was the aircraft in which Comandante Rambaud and his crew made their last fatal flight.







27-22

Pictures 182 - 186:

Note the three I.M.A.M. Ro.41 fighters flying over 27-22



First crash



Final crash and salvage operation









27-23 Bombereiter [1], see also 27-25

Pictures 187 - 190:





Note different style of lettering







27-24 Papas Liebling [2], see also 27-9

Pictures 191 - 198:



Carrying a later version of Papas Liebling insignia



in detail















27-25 Bombereiter [2], see also 27-23

Pictures 199 - 205:

















27-26 Cat with umbrella insignia,

Pictures 206 - 214:







with cat with umbrella insignia















27-27

Pictures 215 - 217:









27-28

Pictures 218 - 222:

A.88





8-G-27 EdA









27-29 (with horseshoe and four-leaved clovers insignia)

Pictures 223 - 228:





with horseshoe and four-leaved clovers insignia











27-30

Pictures 229 231 Ejercito del Aire:





Recoded I-8 (R.3-30)





27-31

Picture 232 Ejercito del Aire





27-32

Picture 233







Sources:

Air Enthusiast no 30: Picture 1, 141, 163,
Magazine HPM 1993_01 (Czecho Slovakia): Picture 2, 16, 98, 101,
Kagero Dornier Do17 part 1 by Edward Kocent Zielinski: picture 3, 4, 8, 10
Wikipedia: picture 5,
Bilek Modelarum no 12 - DornierDo-17E-F-4: Picture 6
Bernard Graefe Verlag Vom Original zum Modell Dornier Do-17-Do-215 by Karl-Heinz Regna: picture 7
Luftwaffe Dornier Do 17P Flugzeug handbuch: Picture 9, 13, 14, 15
Website AERONET GCE-IBERONET: Picture 11, 12, 19, 51, 165, 168, 171, 172, 184, 186, 219, 233
Ebay (Germany): Picture 17, 21, 27, 29, 42, 44, 48, 52, 60, 65, 75, 88, 95, 96, 116, 117, 126, 128, 133, 139, 148, 157, 166, 175, 181, 182, 191, 202, 210,
Jet & Prop Foto-Archiv band nr 12: Picture 18, 20, 90, 105, 150, 192,
Archive Vladimir Nikiforov: Picture 22, 24, 26, 30, 33, 34, 35, 36, 39, 46, 47, 53, 55, 56, 59, 63, 64, 66, 67, 69, 70, 71, 73, 74, 76, 77, 78 79, 80, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 92, 93, 97, 99, 102, 107, 108, 109, 110, 112, 114, 115, 118, 119, 120, 125, 127, 129, 130, 137, 138, 144, 146, 147, 151, 152, 153, 159, 162, 164, 167, 169, 173, 176, 178, 183, 185, 187, 193, 194, 196, 199, 201, 206, 207, 208, 212, 215, 217, 226, 228,
Archive Manuel Rodrigues Valverde: Picture 23, 40
Archive Juan Arraez Cerda (via Aeronet GCE-Iberonet): Picture 25, 28, 38, 43, 161, 221, 229, 230,
My Scrap book: Picture 31, 45, 54, 57, 58, 72, 91, 106, 136, 145, 190, 198,
Aircam-Osprey Airwar no 3 Spanish Civil War Air Force: Picture 32
Hikoki Condor The Luftwaffe in Spain 1936-1939 by Patrick Laureau: Picture 37, 50, 62, 68, 81, 113, 134, 135, 149, 170, 179, 180, 195, 197, 200, 209, 213, 214, 223, 225,
Eksprint (Russia) Dornier Do 17 by C Kushnikov: Picture 41
Archive Salvador Marin: Picture 49
Jet & Prop Magazine 2009-01: Picture 61
Aeroplano no 9 (Spanish magazine): Picture 89, 174, 205,
AirDOC WWII Combat Aircraft Photo Archive ADC003 - DornierDo-17E-ZDo-215: Picture 94, 111, 160, 211,
Classic Air War over Spain by Rafael Permuy: Picture 100,
Flugzeug Archiv no 9: Picture 103,
Aviation Corner Net Website: Picture 104, 131, 142, 158,
Aircraft of World War II Warbird Forums: Picture 124
Luftwaffe Experten Message Board Website: Picture 121, 122, 123, 227,
Crowood Luftwaffe A Pictorial History by Eric Mombeek: Picture 132,
Las Unidades y el material del Ejercito de Aire durante la segunda Guerra mondial by Jose LG Serrano: Picture 140, 143, 220,
Typy Broni no 147: Picture 154,
Luftwaffe Photo Report 1919-1945: Picture 156,
Aeroplano no 11 (Spanish magazine): Picture 177, 216, 222, 231,
Jet & Prop 2010-02: Picture 188,
Spearhead 15 Condor Legion-The Wehrmachts Training Ground: Picture 189,
Aeroplano no 6: Picture 203, 232,
Luftwaffe Camouflage 1939 1940 volume 23 by Alain Floret: Picture 204,
Flugzeug Classic Extra no 4 Magazine: Picture 218,
Enciclopedia de la Aviacion Militar Espanola no 012 Offensiva en Levante 1937: Picture 224,







Excelente y exhaustiva recopilación de fotos como es usual en tí. Cuesta mucho trabajo y tiempo reunir y subir todo ese material para que pueda servir de referencia a otros muchos entre los que me cuento. Te doy las gracias por ello.
La foto del Do 17 volando a ras de mar, que ya conocía, es impresionante y me encantaría representar esa escena algún día. Tengo las dos maquetas del Do-17, el E de Airfix y el P de RS Models esperando...
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Paco Valero
Paco Valero

July 19th, 2012, 10:23 pm #7

Tras repasar todoas las fotos de Peter, me acordé del emblema de la sirena que el equipo de Claus Witt pintó (como todos los demás aviones que lucen decoraciones) en este Do-17 en´León, pero no sé que serial tiene este avión en concreto.

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Saludos.
Ten en cuenta Javier que las tripulaciones iban rotando cada 6-9 meses y cada una podia pintar el emblema de su gusto sobre el del anterior lo que hace dificil el seguimiento. Habrá que esperar a una foto de 'cuerpo' entero.

Saludos
Paco
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July 20th, 2012, 7:54 am #8

Como bien dices Paco a que aparezca una foto completa. Realmente es un caso curioso ya que intenté localizarlo por el color de los conos de las hélices pero no es el "27-7" ya que éste lleva una mancha de camuflaje debajo de la cabina y el avión del emblema de la sirena no la lleva, siendo su esquema de pintura diferente. Seguiré buscando. Muchas gracias por tu información sobre las tripulaciones.

Saludos.
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Juan Arraaez Cerdá
Juan Arraaez Cerdá

July 20th, 2012, 2:37 pm #9

Antes de continuar con la parte 2, empiezo con algunas adiciones y correcciones sobre la parte 1:

27-7: Una imagen y un perfil de este avión en (uno de) su primera aparición (s). El perfil será muy conocido, pero yo nunca había visto una foto de 27-2 en este esquema. (¿Quién más que) Vladimir me ha enviado una foto para demostrar que es real.





Para los técnicos o modeladores, me olvidé de incluir la imagen de las radiales de los BMW 132N para la versión de Do 17P:



Por otra parte una visión revisada de los Dornier Do 17 utilizadas en España:



Esto es todo por la parte 1.

Nota: Lo siento mucho decirlo, pero los próximos 16 días que no tienen medios para responder a las reacciones sobre este tema, ya que se van los días festivos (sin dispositivos de comunicación eléctricos como ordenadores portátiles, iPads etcs). Nos vemos de nuevo en algo más de 2 semanas,

Saludos cordiales,

Peter.
=============================================================================

Before continuing with part 2, I start with some additions / corrections concerning part 1:

27-7: A picture and a profile of this aircraft in (one of) its first appearance(s). The profile will be well known, but I had never seen a picture of 27-2 in this scheme. (Who else than) Vladimir has sent me a picture to prove that it is for real.

For the technicians / modellers, I forgot to include the picture of the the BMW 132N radials for the Do 17P version:

Furthermore a revised overview of the Do 17s used in Spain:

Thats it for part 1.

N.B.: I am very sorry to say so, but the next 16 days I have no means to answer any reactions on this thread, because we are are going on holidays (without any electric communication devices like laptops, ipads etc). See you again in something more than 2 weeks,

Kind regards,

Peter.



Part 2:

27-11

Pictures 116 - 123







and some pictures of its fatal crash on the narrow airstrip at La Albericia (Santander) on the 15th of September 1937, colliding with and destroying He 70 14-57.













27-12

Picture 124





27-13

Pictures 125 - 128

In service with A.88



In service with 8-G-27









27-14 (Schnuckes)

Pictures 129 143

In service with A.88













In service with A.88 as Schnuckes












27-14 in service with 8-G-27 Ejercito del Aire











27-15 (with Owl insignia)

Pictures 144 - 148













27-16 (Ace of diamonds - Mucki)

Pictures 149 153









This picture was taken just before the last flight of 27-16 on 05-08-1938 with Ofw. Mende in the cockpit. It was hit by A.A.F. near Flix, the aircraft crashed into the Ebro, Oblt. Fach & Ofw. Mende escaped by parachute, Uffz. Lehmann died





27-17

Pictures 154 - 158

With A.88








With 8-G-27







27-18

Pictures 159 - 162

In service with A.88





Probably 8-G-27:







27-19

Pictures 163 - 168

A.88







8-G-27 Del Arco





Nose details:





27-20 Das hab ich gern

Pictures 169 173:













27-21 Comandante Rambaud

Pictures 174 - 181:

A.88





8-G-27







Comandante Rambaud




The caption of this picture is not entirely correct, this was not 27-3 (ex Pedro 3), Pedro 3 was the aircraft in which Comandante Rambaud and his crew made their last fatal flight.







27-22

Pictures 182 - 186:

Note the three I.M.A.M. Ro.41 fighters flying over 27-22



First crash



Final crash and salvage operation









27-23 Bombereiter [1], see also 27-25

Pictures 187 - 190:





Note different style of lettering







27-24 Papas Liebling [2], see also 27-9

Pictures 191 - 198:



Carrying a later version of Papas Liebling insignia



in detail















27-25 Bombereiter [2], see also 27-23

Pictures 199 - 205:

















27-26 Cat with umbrella insignia,

Pictures 206 - 214:







with cat with umbrella insignia















27-27

Pictures 215 - 217:









27-28

Pictures 218 - 222:

A.88





8-G-27 EdA









27-29 (with horseshoe and four-leaved clovers insignia)

Pictures 223 - 228:





with horseshoe and four-leaved clovers insignia











27-30

Pictures 229 231 Ejercito del Aire:





Recoded I-8 (R.3-30)





27-31

Picture 232 Ejercito del Aire





27-32

Picture 233







Sources:

Air Enthusiast no 30: Picture 1, 141, 163,
Magazine HPM 1993_01 (Czecho Slovakia): Picture 2, 16, 98, 101,
Kagero Dornier Do17 part 1 by Edward Kocent Zielinski: picture 3, 4, 8, 10
Wikipedia: picture 5,
Bilek Modelarum no 12 - DornierDo-17E-F-4: Picture 6
Bernard Graefe Verlag Vom Original zum Modell Dornier Do-17-Do-215 by Karl-Heinz Regna: picture 7
Luftwaffe Dornier Do 17P Flugzeug handbuch: Picture 9, 13, 14, 15
Website AERONET GCE-IBERONET: Picture 11, 12, 19, 51, 165, 168, 171, 172, 184, 186, 219, 233
Ebay (Germany): Picture 17, 21, 27, 29, 42, 44, 48, 52, 60, 65, 75, 88, 95, 96, 116, 117, 126, 128, 133, 139, 148, 157, 166, 175, 181, 182, 191, 202, 210,
Jet & Prop Foto-Archiv band nr 12: Picture 18, 20, 90, 105, 150, 192,
Archive Vladimir Nikiforov: Picture 22, 24, 26, 30, 33, 34, 35, 36, 39, 46, 47, 53, 55, 56, 59, 63, 64, 66, 67, 69, 70, 71, 73, 74, 76, 77, 78 79, 80, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 92, 93, 97, 99, 102, 107, 108, 109, 110, 112, 114, 115, 118, 119, 120, 125, 127, 129, 130, 137, 138, 144, 146, 147, 151, 152, 153, 159, 162, 164, 167, 169, 173, 176, 178, 183, 185, 187, 193, 194, 196, 199, 201, 206, 207, 208, 212, 215, 217, 226, 228,
Archive Manuel Rodrigues Valverde: Picture 23, 40
Archive Juan Arraez Cerda (via Aeronet GCE-Iberonet): Picture 25, 28, 38, 43, 161, 221, 229, 230,
My Scrap book: Picture 31, 45, 54, 57, 58, 72, 91, 106, 136, 145, 190, 198,
Aircam-Osprey Airwar no 3 Spanish Civil War Air Force: Picture 32
Hikoki Condor The Luftwaffe in Spain 1936-1939 by Patrick Laureau: Picture 37, 50, 62, 68, 81, 113, 134, 135, 149, 170, 179, 180, 195, 197, 200, 209, 213, 214, 223, 225,
Eksprint (Russia) Dornier Do 17 by C Kushnikov: Picture 41
Archive Salvador Marin: Picture 49
Jet & Prop Magazine 2009-01: Picture 61
Aeroplano no 9 (Spanish magazine): Picture 89, 174, 205,
AirDOC WWII Combat Aircraft Photo Archive ADC003 - DornierDo-17E-ZDo-215: Picture 94, 111, 160, 211,
Classic Air War over Spain by Rafael Permuy: Picture 100,
Flugzeug Archiv no 9: Picture 103,
Aviation Corner Net Website: Picture 104, 131, 142, 158,
Aircraft of World War II Warbird Forums: Picture 124
Luftwaffe Experten Message Board Website: Picture 121, 122, 123, 227,
Crowood Luftwaffe A Pictorial History by Eric Mombeek: Picture 132,
Las Unidades y el material del Ejercito de Aire durante la segunda Guerra mondial by Jose LG Serrano: Picture 140, 143, 220,
Typy Broni no 147: Picture 154,
Luftwaffe Photo Report 1919-1945: Picture 156,
Aeroplano no 11 (Spanish magazine): Picture 177, 216, 222, 231,
Jet & Prop 2010-02: Picture 188,
Spearhead 15 Condor Legion-The Wehrmachts Training Ground: Picture 189,
Aeroplano no 6: Picture 203, 232,
Luftwaffe Camouflage 1939 1940 volume 23 by Alain Floret: Picture 204,
Flugzeug Classic Extra no 4 Magazine: Picture 218,
Enciclopedia de la Aviacion Militar Espanola no 012 Offensiva en Levante 1937: Picture 224,







Mi mas sicnera felicitacion amigo Peter por esa excepcional recopilacion que has realizado sobre nuestros Dornier Do 17. Tengo alguna duda que te consultare por email, pues precisamente en estos momentos me encuentro trabajando sobre los Do 17.
Aprovecho la ocasion y subo en estupendo dibujo de quien fué un gran amigo: Luis Garcia Martinez, quien me lo regalo hace ya mas 30 años. Confio en que sea del agrado de todos.

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Miguel Narro

April 24th, 2013, 9:28 pm #10

Antes de continuar con la parte 2, empiezo con algunas adiciones y correcciones sobre la parte 1:

27-7: Una imagen y un perfil de este avión en (uno de) su primera aparición (s). El perfil será muy conocido, pero yo nunca había visto una foto de 27-2 en este esquema. (¿Quién más que) Vladimir me ha enviado una foto para demostrar que es real.





Para los técnicos o modeladores, me olvidé de incluir la imagen de las radiales de los BMW 132N para la versión de Do 17P:



Por otra parte una visión revisada de los Dornier Do 17 utilizadas en España:



Esto es todo por la parte 1.

Nota: Lo siento mucho decirlo, pero los próximos 16 días que no tienen medios para responder a las reacciones sobre este tema, ya que se van los días festivos (sin dispositivos de comunicación eléctricos como ordenadores portátiles, iPads etcs). Nos vemos de nuevo en algo más de 2 semanas,

Saludos cordiales,

Peter.
=============================================================================

Before continuing with part 2, I start with some additions / corrections concerning part 1:

27-7: A picture and a profile of this aircraft in (one of) its first appearance(s). The profile will be well known, but I had never seen a picture of 27-2 in this scheme. (Who else than) Vladimir has sent me a picture to prove that it is for real.

For the technicians / modellers, I forgot to include the picture of the the BMW 132N radials for the Do 17P version:

Furthermore a revised overview of the Do 17s used in Spain:

Thats it for part 1.

N.B.: I am very sorry to say so, but the next 16 days I have no means to answer any reactions on this thread, because we are are going on holidays (without any electric communication devices like laptops, ipads etc). See you again in something more than 2 weeks,

Kind regards,

Peter.



Part 2:

27-11

Pictures 116 - 123







and some pictures of its fatal crash on the narrow airstrip at La Albericia (Santander) on the 15th of September 1937, colliding with and destroying He 70 14-57.













27-12

Picture 124





27-13

Pictures 125 - 128

In service with A.88



In service with 8-G-27









27-14 (Schnuckes)

Pictures 129 143

In service with A.88













In service with A.88 as Schnuckes












27-14 in service with 8-G-27 Ejercito del Aire











27-15 (with Owl insignia)

Pictures 144 - 148













27-16 (Ace of diamonds - Mucki)

Pictures 149 153









This picture was taken just before the last flight of 27-16 on 05-08-1938 with Ofw. Mende in the cockpit. It was hit by A.A.F. near Flix, the aircraft crashed into the Ebro, Oblt. Fach & Ofw. Mende escaped by parachute, Uffz. Lehmann died





27-17

Pictures 154 - 158

With A.88








With 8-G-27







27-18

Pictures 159 - 162

In service with A.88





Probably 8-G-27:







27-19

Pictures 163 - 168

A.88







8-G-27 Del Arco





Nose details:





27-20 Das hab ich gern

Pictures 169 173:













27-21 Comandante Rambaud

Pictures 174 - 181:

A.88





8-G-27







Comandante Rambaud




The caption of this picture is not entirely correct, this was not 27-3 (ex Pedro 3), Pedro 3 was the aircraft in which Comandante Rambaud and his crew made their last fatal flight.







27-22

Pictures 182 - 186:

Note the three I.M.A.M. Ro.41 fighters flying over 27-22



First crash



Final crash and salvage operation









27-23 Bombereiter [1], see also 27-25

Pictures 187 - 190:





Note different style of lettering







27-24 Papas Liebling [2], see also 27-9

Pictures 191 - 198:



Carrying a later version of Papas Liebling insignia



in detail















27-25 Bombereiter [2], see also 27-23

Pictures 199 - 205:

















27-26 Cat with umbrella insignia,

Pictures 206 - 214:







with cat with umbrella insignia















27-27

Pictures 215 - 217:









27-28

Pictures 218 - 222:

A.88





8-G-27 EdA









27-29 (with horseshoe and four-leaved clovers insignia)

Pictures 223 - 228:





with horseshoe and four-leaved clovers insignia











27-30

Pictures 229 231 Ejercito del Aire:





Recoded I-8 (R.3-30)





27-31

Picture 232 Ejercito del Aire





27-32

Picture 233







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Geat job, congrats; it is possible to identify the Bacalao that flew in the Guernica attack?

best
Miguel
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