Why is Cost of Hockey Illinois Hockey so expensive?

Why is Cost of Hockey Illinois Hockey so expensive?

Anonymous
Anonymous

May 28th, 2010, 3:10 pm #1

This program sent Multiple teams to Nationals..and performed very well. Hockey across the USA has similar expenses...even in the warm climate locations such as Richmond, VA.

Yes they have one 1/2 ice practice per week...aka..small games practices such as what USA Hockey perscribes..it works...they also only have 2 rinks within a 45 mile radius....what does Bantam hockey cost in IL...$5,000?..why is the cost so different?

http://rrhc.goalline.ca/news2.php?news_id=266448

Richmond Royals 2010-2011 Player Fees Announced
2010-05-05

The Richmond Royals Executive Board has adopted its operating budget for the 2010-2011 hockey season and have set the following fees for our prospective teams. (read more)


Richmond Royals 2010-2011 Player Fees

The fees for this years Royals Travel Teams are as follows:

Squirt: $1,700/player
PeeWee: $2,050/player
Bantam: $2,150/player
Midget: $2,000/player

The Squirt team is based on a roster of 15 players (13 skaters and two goalies) and 11 home games. The PeeWee and Bantam teams are based on a roster of 17 players (15 skaters and two goalies) and 20 home games. The Midget teams are based on a roster of 20 players (18 skaters and two goalies). All teams will have two practice slots of 70 minutes (60 minutes of ice and a 10 minute ice cut) with one slot being full ice and one slot shared ice. There will be a open 1/2 sheet every week that will rotate equally between the teams, starting with the U18AA team and working through the Squirt team. Two or three of these slots will be used for goalie specific training over the course of the season.

The 2010-11 fees cover costs associated with game ice, practice ice, referees, coaches stipend, the banquet (for player and one parent) and all fixed and variable costs associated with running and managing the teams. Practice ice will start the first week after Labor Day and will run through the first week in March, exclusive of the traditional two week break over the Christmas holiday period. This represents an extension of one week from prior years and should cover teams practice ice through their CBHL play-off games.

There are no new attire requirements for the 2010-11 season. Thus, only socks are covered in the base fees. Should your player need a new pants shell, warm-up or jerseys, those costs are out-of-pocket costs and additional.

Thank you to the Board for its many efforts to review our needs and costs in order to develop a budget that allowed us to either lower or maintain per player costs for the club.
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truth teller
truth teller

May 28th, 2010, 6:20 pm #2

the reason behind the ridicules costs in ill are the waste of money that are paid to these hockey directors!!! Ask your club board members what the salary for your directors plus the money they are paid to coach the teams they coach and the biggest joke of all the money they make off there summer camps!! It is a joke but usually the muppets that run these clubs along with the directors act like there doing every one a favor!! The clubs could and should be run better and for less money. THe real joke is on us parents that let these clowns get away with it.
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anon
anon

May 28th, 2010, 6:50 pm #3

Not again! do we really need another thread on how much hockey costs in Illinois. Either shut up and pay or go play soccer!
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Guest
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May 28th, 2010, 10:29 pm #4

Yes, lets start this discussion again! Why? Because it's the kids who play and not the adults who post on this bulletin board. Really, is that the answer to the high cost of Illinois hockey - "Go play soccer". The people who reply with the "Go play soccer" bit is because it gives their kids a better chance to play on a regular basis because they can afford it. It is absolutely ridiculous how expensive hockey is here in Illinois and children should not have to suffer for it.
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truth teller
truth teller

May 29th, 2010, 3:53 am #5

Every club should go over every cost of the clubs and cut these costs by 20%. These club directors are making any where between 75 to 100 a year to do what? The Directors are not needed and really do very little if any work. Cut there pay to what the people that work at your local ymca make and see how many of these parasites go and find new careers!!!THe costs could be reduced greatly if the parents of the clubs told the PRESIDENTS AND THE MUPPETS THAT MAKE UP THESE BOARDS that we are not going to pay these types of salaries to these worthless directors who do not earn or are worth these type of salaries!! Remember people these so called hockey experts work for us the parents not the other way around!!!
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Board Member
Board Member

May 29th, 2010, 11:49 am #6

Hey Truth Teller-

Are you on a Board? If not and you've never volunteered your time to help run one of the clubs then shut up about Board members. If you have an idea, go to a meeting a present it. Every one of us wants the game to be better and less expensive. If you're so much smarter than the people you rip on this site then make a difference for us all. Regardless, quit hiding behind your keyboard.
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Anonymous
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May 29th, 2010, 12:20 pm #7

No need to get nasty. Let's face it in these tough economic times, all we hear is people losing jobs, taking pay cuts, losing benefits, seems funny that the fees still go up in the hockey world, hockey directors, coaches are not facing any pay cuts. 75K-100K is alot of money, they aren't life saving jobs, pretty sure most police / fireman/EMT's don't make that..

The hockey clubs Presidents say they want to cut fees, yeah right, very few clubs have kept fees pretty contained, it's just talk..they just keep saying costs are up. I see cuts everywhere from the grocery stores, gas prices now going down, housing, cars, everyone does what they have to do to keep a job and that sometimes mean pay cuts. Maybe they could step up and take one for the team.
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Anonymous
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May 29th, 2010, 12:42 pm #8

Hey Truth Teller-

Are you on a Board? If not and you've never volunteered your time to help run one of the clubs then shut up about Board members. If you have an idea, go to a meeting a present it. Every one of us wants the game to be better and less expensive. If you're so much smarter than the people you rip on this site then make a difference for us all. Regardless, quit hiding behind your keyboard.
No hostility here, just a few thoughts.

Boards are typically comprised of organization parents who volunteer their time.
In order to run a hockey club a lot of time is needed and while the board has volunteered to do the organizational work they didn't expect to be the day to day volunteers as well.
I would suggest that clubs with strong parental participation (volunteers) outside of the board ranks has substantially better ways to hold operational costs down.

On the subject of Directors: They can be quite an expense. Some are worth their weight in gold, others, lead weights. The board needs a hockey director to organize and initiate the program overall. They should be creating curriculums for each level so players develop age appropriately and coaches at each level know what they need to do and what to expect from the players moving up to their team. (I think this is a job for USA Hockey myself. If curriculums were designed and distributed nationally kids would be on the same training level club to club and one need for a director would be removed).

I digress. Hiring coaches should not be the responsibility of the board. Remember, volunteer parents does not mean hockey knowledge or experience. Plus, any club that allows their board to hire coaches has complaints that coaches are getting hired so board members kids make the team... can't win on this one.
A director should be a talented and skilled hockey person. They should be known in the community they will work which translates to reputation and knowing coaches from competing clubs. Directors should not coach teams. They should be involved with the training of every team. They should rotate their time with each team to extend their talent and value above and beyond the teams coach(es). They should be observing the coaches and offering training to enhance the coaches abilities.

I've heard a HD say he would not interfere with a coaches team. That director needed to be fired on the spot. Who better to help a coach improve then the director? That is part of the job. If they won't do it then they are not doing their job. When a HD is on a teams ice they should be taking kid(s) aside for smaller focused training. A good HD should be able to see what a player needs. let's say it's a poor slap shot that needs improving. The HD should pull the players who need slap shot training aside during a practice and work with them while the coach is doing skills or basic drills. The HD should keep track of which players are getting his/her time and be certain that by years end each player on each team has had the benefit of one-on-one (or smaller group) time. That's what makes them special.

If they are not doing these things, they are not needed.
If they are coaching a team, they are not doing these things.

My comment on coaches: Are they worth the price? Really, what does the coach bring to the team? Are they really worth what they are being paid today? Years ago a coach made $1k - $1.8k a fall season to cover incidentals really. Today, omg. But has the quality of the (majority of ) coaches improved to the level of pay today? I really think not. Coaches used to do it for the love of the game. Today it's additional income.

I'd be curious to know what the club with the low fees listed in this thread pays for ice and coaches. Possibly that information is available and if so, please share.

One solution to lowering costs would be to reach out to the Chicago business community and locate young business people who played hockey through college. How many D-1 and D-3 / junior players are there in Chicago? I'll bet hundreds and so there must be a few dozen who would be excellent in 'giving back' while finding a low cost way to stay fit and stay on the ice. Just a thought.

Without a director the club needs to figure out how to take care of hiring coaches and directing training. It can be done using freelance help but it involves more involvement (time) and remember, the board is already investing more time then you are.

Maybe you should offer to help.
Certainly, if you think you know better, you owe it to your kid to show up at the board meetings.

I'm stepping off the soap box now.






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Anonymous
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May 29th, 2010, 1:46 pm #9


As a former board member, the cost of ice is the biggest factor when it comes to the cost of hockey. In comparison, a hockey director's salary is a small percentage when you are talking about $1,000,0000 + ice bills. Plus, the ice contracts make hockey organizations buy off hour ice slots that are difficult for the clubs to unload( after 9pm and before 8am).

Add to that a more demanding hockey customer, hockey is an expensive sport. If you look at the above example and try to make that a model here in Illinois, the club members would complain that there is not enough game slots, full ice practice slots, and quality coaching.
Split ice practices is a great way to reduce costs but I can tell you that as a board member, this becomes a bone of contention with club members. Just cutting out the Hockey Directors will not significantly reduce hockey costs in Illinois.
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No math major
No math major

May 29th, 2010, 2:12 pm #10

So a hockey director make 100k and over sees a club that has 3 teams at every level. Mite, Squirt, Peewee, Bantam, Minor, Major.

18 teams with a roster of, lets be conservative, 9 forwards, 5 Def. and 2 Goalies. Thats 288 players 100k divided by 288 is a reductions of 347.00 per player....substantial, right.

Now many players are in your Club?
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