Everest Summit (or not?)

Everest Summit (or not?)

Joined: January 21st, 2004, 3:15 pm

May 3rd, 2006, 5:47 am #1

Denver Post, 4.19.06, page 1 & 8

Byron Smith climbed Mt. Everest in 2000 and reached the summit with 7 sherpas.

The Amreican Alpine Club tracks Everest summiters, and has put a "disputed" footnote next to Byron's name.

Byron has responded with a lawsuit, claiming his honor has been defamed.

Byron speculates that fellow expedition member is the one who has disputed his claim of reaching the summit.

About 2,500 have reached the world's highest elevation.

After putting together a $500,000+ expedition and battling 100mph winds on summit day, Byron failed to take a summit photo of himself.

The article goes into much greater detail, including photos and route map, and does not draw a conclusion one way or the other.
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Joined: January 20th, 2004, 9:10 pm

May 4th, 2006, 6:59 pm #2

Is a photo of oneself a requirement for proof of a summit - barring another's personal testimony? Is this spelled out in some bylaws somewhere? Have him describe in detail what he saw up there and that should be good enough.

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Joined: January 20th, 2004, 6:42 pm

May 4th, 2006, 9:18 pm #3

Denver Post, 4.19.06, page 1 & 8

Byron Smith climbed Mt. Everest in 2000 and reached the summit with 7 sherpas.

The Amreican Alpine Club tracks Everest summiters, and has put a "disputed" footnote next to Byron's name.

Byron has responded with a lawsuit, claiming his honor has been defamed.

Byron speculates that fellow expedition member is the one who has disputed his claim of reaching the summit.

About 2,500 have reached the world's highest elevation.

After putting together a $500,000+ expedition and battling 100mph winds on summit day, Byron failed to take a summit photo of himself.

The article goes into much greater detail, including photos and route map, and does not draw a conclusion one way or the other.
Mountaineering is a recreational activity. I don't really care whether someone else did something or not. Just like I don't care whether someone who claims to have a potato that looks like Richard Nixon grew it with or without artificial means.

Such debates are silly and remind me of that guy (Dan Howitt) in Portland, Oregon, who constantly goes around demanding time verification and photographic evidence before he deems anyone's (Chad Kellogg's) claim legitimate. If the evidence doesn't pass muster with him, then he claims the ascent didn't happen. Who cares?

I guess it comes down to whether you want to be act like the Chad Kelloggs of the world or whether you want to act like the Dan Howitts of the world.
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Joined: January 21st, 2004, 3:15 pm

May 5th, 2006, 4:02 pm #4

Seems to be 3 types of peakbaggers

1) Those who do it for their own personal enjoyment and any rules be damned. Their accomplishments are generally not recognized (dismissed as fluff) and their enjoyment is not recognized either.

2) Those who do it socially and earnestly, and enjoy comparing their progress with others under a set of rules. The majority may be this type. Honesty is the only proof of accomplishment.

3) Those who do it seriously and operate under strict rules that require proof. These folks may be seen as joyless and take things way to serious.

Each type is neither right nor wrong; and any type may view the other types as nuts.
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Joined: May 21st, 2006, 6:14 am

May 21st, 2006, 6:27 am #5

Mountaineering is a recreational activity. I don't really care whether someone else did something or not. Just like I don't care whether someone who claims to have a potato that looks like Richard Nixon grew it with or without artificial means.

Such debates are silly and remind me of that guy (Dan Howitt) in Portland, Oregon, who constantly goes around demanding time verification and photographic evidence before he deems anyone's (Chad Kellogg's) claim legitimate. If the evidence doesn't pass muster with him, then he claims the ascent didn't happen. Who cares?

I guess it comes down to whether you want to be act like the Chad Kelloggs of the world or whether you want to act like the Dan Howitts of the world.
About the Everest summit claimer Byron Smith ---
The issue is he provided a summit photo of himself as proof of his summit --- it was then PROVEN to not be a photo of him.
Lengthy and detailed report:
www.mounteverest.net/news.php?id=648
At best, proven suspect/dubious/doubtful much like the Chad Kellogg's of the world as subject to astounding proof undermining their claims, unlike the Dan Howitt's of the world who have perservered thought initial difficulties to do prescedent official speed records on some of the most difficult speed climbing peaks in the US --- Rainier, Hood, Adams, Shasta, Gorge routes. For ex, Hood record timed by www.oregonpeakadventures.com and www.uncagethesoul.com Government Camp to Summit to Government Camp 2:58min ascent, astounding time from Govt Camp Loop Road 3.35 miles below Timberline Lodge.

Things Steve Gruhn have never done nor could ever do though things Steve Gruhn can attack others about with baseless info as desperate support of his friend Chad Kellogg. Steve there's a lot against Kellogg, he has a lot to prove.

Kellogg offered $5000 by Dan Howitt personally this year as also sent in news releases to Climbing Magazine editors and MRNP officials, RMI, several Rainier and Hood authors, many guide companies, Hans Florine, Exposure www.mountainspeedclimbing.org. Kellogg paid money if he can go sub 5:30min rountrip (he claims 5:06 and 4:59 roundtrip already with no time verification at all and proven to have never reached the summit for his 5:06min as per MRNP Mike Gauthier's own emails and post on cascadeclimbers.com). Kellogg promised to do his 2004 Rainier speed climb timed (seen very end of this article http://www.k2climb.net/story/stories/An ... 2003.shtml )

PROMISE ABANDONED! Lack of integrity? Yes.
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May 21st, 2006, 6:28 am #6

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May 21st, 2006, 6:32 am #7

About the Everest summit claimer Byron Smith ---
The issue is he provided a summit photo of himself as proof of his summit --- it was then PROVEN to not be a photo of him.
Lengthy and detailed report:
www.mounteverest.net/news.php?id=648
At best, proven suspect/dubious/doubtful much like the Chad Kellogg's of the world as subject to astounding proof undermining their claims, unlike the Dan Howitt's of the world who have perservered thought initial difficulties to do prescedent official speed records on some of the most difficult speed climbing peaks in the US --- Rainier, Hood, Adams, Shasta, Gorge routes. For ex, Hood record timed by www.oregonpeakadventures.com and www.uncagethesoul.com Government Camp to Summit to Government Camp 2:58min ascent, astounding time from Govt Camp Loop Road 3.35 miles below Timberline Lodge.

Things Steve Gruhn have never done nor could ever do though things Steve Gruhn can attack others about with baseless info as desperate support of his friend Chad Kellogg. Steve there's a lot against Kellogg, he has a lot to prove.

Kellogg offered $5000 by Dan Howitt personally this year as also sent in news releases to Climbing Magazine editors and MRNP officials, RMI, several Rainier and Hood authors, many guide companies, Hans Florine, Exposure www.mountainspeedclimbing.org. Kellogg paid money if he can go sub 5:30min rountrip (he claims 5:06 and 4:59 roundtrip already with no time verification at all and proven to have never reached the summit for his 5:06min as per MRNP Mike Gauthier's own emails and post on cascadeclimbers.com). Kellogg promised to do his 2004 Rainier speed climb timed (seen very end of this article http://www.k2climb.net/story/stories/An ... 2003.shtml )

PROMISE ABANDONED! Lack of integrity? Yes.
'Integrity' means upholding your promises, lack of integrity means not upholding your promises. Textbook case, saddening to play the press and climbing community this way. Dan Howitt stepped up to the plate on Shasta, Rainier, Hood, Adams, including beating Jim Whittaker's 1959 OFFICIAL Ranier record of 5:20min with 4:59:05sec timed by Brogan Adams of Climb Max Mountaineering (now formerly) and Carl Poland of Ft. Lewis Army Rangers. No one has yet heat Howitt's official Rainier record despite Kellogg being offered by Dan $750 in 2003, then $2000 in 2004, now $5000 in 2006 to, simply, do a speed climb that's timed...
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Joined: January 20th, 2004, 9:10 pm

May 22nd, 2006, 5:21 pm #8

The fact remains that virtually no one cares about speed records. Going up and down faster does not make one a better climber ... just faster. When the speed-climbing community gets its act together with rules and bylaws and does away with its internal animosity, then maybe a few people might remotely care about such records.
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Joined: January 20th, 2004, 6:42 pm

May 22nd, 2006, 6:41 pm #9

About the Everest summit claimer Byron Smith ---
The issue is he provided a summit photo of himself as proof of his summit --- it was then PROVEN to not be a photo of him.
Lengthy and detailed report:
www.mounteverest.net/news.php?id=648
At best, proven suspect/dubious/doubtful much like the Chad Kellogg's of the world as subject to astounding proof undermining their claims, unlike the Dan Howitt's of the world who have perservered thought initial difficulties to do prescedent official speed records on some of the most difficult speed climbing peaks in the US --- Rainier, Hood, Adams, Shasta, Gorge routes. For ex, Hood record timed by www.oregonpeakadventures.com and www.uncagethesoul.com Government Camp to Summit to Government Camp 2:58min ascent, astounding time from Govt Camp Loop Road 3.35 miles below Timberline Lodge.

Things Steve Gruhn have never done nor could ever do though things Steve Gruhn can attack others about with baseless info as desperate support of his friend Chad Kellogg. Steve there's a lot against Kellogg, he has a lot to prove.

Kellogg offered $5000 by Dan Howitt personally this year as also sent in news releases to Climbing Magazine editors and MRNP officials, RMI, several Rainier and Hood authors, many guide companies, Hans Florine, Exposure www.mountainspeedclimbing.org. Kellogg paid money if he can go sub 5:30min rountrip (he claims 5:06 and 4:59 roundtrip already with no time verification at all and proven to have never reached the summit for his 5:06min as per MRNP Mike Gauthier's own emails and post on cascadeclimbers.com). Kellogg promised to do his 2004 Rainier speed climb timed (seen very end of this article http://www.k2climb.net/story/stories/An ... 2003.shtml )

PROMISE ABANDONED! Lack of integrity? Yes.
Dan (for I'm assuming that janen is yet another in a long line of aliases for Dan Howitt), I have never had the fortune of meeting Chad Kellogg. In fact, I had never heard of Chad Kellogg until I read your diatribes on various websites. To me it sounded like he was a stand-up guy who was a supreme physical specimen. When interviewed on ExplorersWeb, he was specifically asked about you. He declined to say anything bad about you at all - despite your continuous bashing. That, to me, showed far more about his character than whether he had time verification or a picture of a rock in the background of his summit photo. I subsequently attended a slideshow about his ascent of a new route on Kichatna Spire with Joe Puryear. Chad Kellogg, to me, is the real deal.

Dan Howitt, you, on the other hand, has shown a complete lack of sportsmanship by attempting to besmirch the character of Chadd Kellog. There are numerous mountain running races throughout the mountainous areas of the nation. Why not compete in one side-by-side with other competitors? On July 4 every year there is a famous mountain race in Seward, Alaska (claimed by some to be the second oldest running race in North America). The race is from downtown Seward (elevation 50 feet) to Race Point (elevation 3022 feet) on Marathon Mountain and back again. The horizontal distance is about 3.25 miles. The record time was set in 1981 by Bill Spencer, an Olympic cross-country skier from Anchorage, with a round-trip time of 43:23. This race is the real deal, making newspaper headlines and getting significant television coverage. Why not compete in this race and go head to head with some of the best mountain runners around? And, Chad Kellogg, if you're reading, why don't you show up, too? I'm sure a head-to-head race between Howitt and Kellogg would certainly put an end to the silly debate about who is the faster speed climber.

Here's the link to the Seward Chamber of Commerce's Mount Marathon website.

http://www.sewardak.org/news-events/mar ... rathon.htm

So how 'bout it? Put up or shut up!

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Joined: January 26th, 2004, 6:29 pm

May 22nd, 2006, 7:50 pm #10

The fact remains that virtually no one cares about speed records. Going up and down faster does not make one a better climber ... just faster. When the speed-climbing community gets its act together with rules and bylaws and does away with its internal animosity, then maybe a few people might remotely care about such records.
Hear hear! Well said! I wonder if this guy is going to spend the rest of his life being the bitter watchdog of all things speed-climbing, or maybe (we can hope) he can resolve his obviously deep issues with himself, stap on his pack, lace up his boots in anger (nod to Covill), and perhaps...oh, I don't know....maybeeee...GO CLIMB SOMETHING! Set your own record for all the world to see...or ignore, as most speed-climbing records are on this forum.
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