Winners and Losers

Winners and Losers

Joined: May 4th, 2005, 1:31 pm

April 15th, 2010, 2:09 pm #1

"An individual sadly and badly injures himself by calling himself a winner, when in fact he is a loser. We have our ideas and opinions as to what constitutes winning and according to those false standards and values think thereby that it is legitimate to call ourselves a winner. For example, you have certain prides, certain vanities and you have certain accomplishments and possessions in your home, in your garage, in your bank. These - to a sleeping human being - are called evidences of having won, of having succeeded at what you were supposed to succeed at as a human being.

Very seldom does a man or a woman challenge this disastrous self-concept of what it means to win.

If you even need to win anything, including the argument, including getting your way, the very fact that you have a compulsive need to win means that there is a loser there trying to win, which means that the winning must be losing in actuality.

It is so essential for you to listen to yourself talk to yourself and catch instantly all such definitions of you being right, being the winner."

~Vernon Howard
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Joined: January 13th, 2010, 2:50 pm

April 15th, 2010, 2:23 pm #2


So this is essentially saying that we mostly have Whiners and Loosers... I think I agree.



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April 15th, 2010, 2:57 pm #3

"An individual sadly and badly injures himself by calling himself a winner, when in fact he is a loser. We have our ideas and opinions as to what constitutes winning and according to those false standards and values think thereby that it is legitimate to call ourselves a winner. For example, you have certain prides, certain vanities and you have certain accomplishments and possessions in your home, in your garage, in your bank. These - to a sleeping human being - are called evidences of having won, of having succeeded at what you were supposed to succeed at as a human being.

Very seldom does a man or a woman challenge this disastrous self-concept of what it means to win.

If you even need to win anything, including the argument, including getting your way, the very fact that you have a compulsive need to win means that there is a loser there trying to win, which means that the winning must be losing in actuality.

It is so essential for you to listen to yourself talk to yourself and catch instantly all such definitions of you being right, being the winner."

~Vernon Howard
...info on Vernon Howard

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New Age is a recent and developing belief system in North America encompassing thousands of autonomous (and sometime contradictory) beliefs, organizations, and events. Generally the New Age borrows its theology from pantheistic Eastern religions and its practices from 19th century Western occultism. The term New Age is used herein as an umbrella term to describe organizations which seem to exhibit one or more of the following beliefs: (1) All is one, all reality is part of the whole; (2) Everything is God and God is everything; (3) Man is God or a part of God; (4) Man never dies, but continues to live through reincarnation; (5) Man can create his own reality and/or values through transformed consciousness or altered states of consciousness.

Channeling:

New Age term for the occult practice of Spiritualism (also called trance channeling). Spirit beings, Ascended Masters, deceased humans, familiar spirits, or animal spirits allegedly communicate important messages by temporarily entering the body and controlling the voice of a host (channel or medium). Most channelers give the same basic message, that man is a God.


Now we know the opinion of one who is WITHOUT God we can see the God's Word DEFINITELY teaches that WINNING IS ATTAINABLE and it shows HOW it is attained.

I Jn 5:4
4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world-- our faith. (NAS)

It is attained through faith. Faith in the absolute truth that is for ALL MANKIND for ALL TIMES and IN ALL PLACES. Jesus Christ IS that TRUTH. Those who have put their faith in HIM have the victory and are WINNERS. Those who reject HIS WAY are the losers because they play to lose.



Unless we LOVE the truth, we cannot know it ~~ Pascal

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Joined: January 13th, 2010, 2:50 pm

April 15th, 2010, 3:00 pm #4


Like you said you do all the time
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Joined: May 4th, 2005, 1:31 pm

April 15th, 2010, 3:08 pm #5

So this is essentially saying that we mostly have Whiners and Loosers... I think I agree.


That need to "win", to declare yourself a winner, is a sure sign that you're not (a winner).

The first shall be last and the last shall be first.

The ones that declare themselves winners, will be losers.

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Joined: July 13th, 2009, 1:50 pm

April 15th, 2010, 3:11 pm #6

Like you said you do all the time
What's your point?

Unless we LOVE the truth, we cannot know it ~~ Pascal

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Joined: January 13th, 2010, 2:50 pm

April 15th, 2010, 5:28 pm #7


Just some friendly teasing...

Blessings to you.
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Joined: December 8th, 2003, 1:16 am

April 15th, 2010, 7:52 pm #8

That need to "win", to declare yourself a winner, is a sure sign that you're not (a winner).

The first shall be last and the last shall be first.

The ones that declare themselves winners, will be losers.

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I can just imagine in my mind's eye ... Louis and Jack performing on stage together!~

-Vince
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Joined: December 8th, 2003, 1:16 am

April 15th, 2010, 7:59 pm #9

...info on Vernon Howard

New Age


New Age is a recent and developing belief system in North America encompassing thousands of autonomous (and sometime contradictory) beliefs, organizations, and events. Generally the New Age borrows its theology from pantheistic Eastern religions and its practices from 19th century Western occultism. The term New Age is used herein as an umbrella term to describe organizations which seem to exhibit one or more of the following beliefs: (1) All is one, all reality is part of the whole; (2) Everything is God and God is everything; (3) Man is God or a part of God; (4) Man never dies, but continues to live through reincarnation; (5) Man can create his own reality and/or values through transformed consciousness or altered states of consciousness.

Channeling:

New Age term for the occult practice of Spiritualism (also called trance channeling). Spirit beings, Ascended Masters, deceased humans, familiar spirits, or animal spirits allegedly communicate important messages by temporarily entering the body and controlling the voice of a host (channel or medium). Most channelers give the same basic message, that man is a God.


Now we know the opinion of one who is WITHOUT God we can see the God's Word DEFINITELY teaches that WINNING IS ATTAINABLE and it shows HOW it is attained.

I Jn 5:4
4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world-- our faith. (NAS)

It is attained through faith. Faith in the absolute truth that is for ALL MANKIND for ALL TIMES and IN ALL PLACES. Jesus Christ IS that TRUTH. Those who have put their faith in HIM have the victory and are WINNERS. Those who reject HIS WAY are the losers because they play to lose.



Unless we LOVE the truth, we cannot know it ~~ Pascal
will only result in disaster.

You start on belief, then exercise your belief in faith and the faith should produce positive LOGICAL results so that it supports the LOGOS. What works for the present may not work forever. A "formula for success" in the early daze of Rock n Roll, for example, quit working after awhile and we saw a LOT of bright stars toppled into oblivion as their fan base phased into wanting something else.

In religion a fan base is vital. It's what connects all the participants so they can "accomplish" some goal. When that fan base starts to disappear, the same faith from the beginning, has to change in order to hold the fan base together.

-Vince
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Joined: April 29th, 2005, 2:29 pm

April 16th, 2010, 3:52 pm #10

I can just imagine in my mind's eye ... Louis and Jack performing on stage together!~

-Vince
can imagine your's and Mondo performance. In perfect harmony. Louis
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