The future, my friends

The future, my friends

JVH
Joined: July 20th, 2009, 1:33 pm

July 31st, 2010, 1:32 pm #1



<p align="right">statements of a transcendent or immaterial nature equal incoherency as such connotations have no ontological status



<strong>..... becomes pre-determin'd ... by the character of those who shape it.</strong>


<p align="left">... abductive, inductive, deductive
are the 3 basic modes of reasoning
when we fail to discern between them
we are destined to act accordingly ...

<img alt="[linked image]" src="http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc31 ... athink.gif">
<p align="center">... after all, inference demands explicit entails implicit
so, iff what is explicitly posed is true, then what it
necessarily infers or implies must logically be true
as well - if not, then it is incontrovertibly axiomatic
there is something amiss with the explicitly posed ...

<img alt="[linked image]" src="http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc31 ... latalk.gif">
<p align="right">... the excruciating irony of incomprehensibility
& self-refutation thus; those oblivious of it become
indispensably the experts in applying it, effectually
revealing the exact opposite of apparent intent
thereby granting the courtesy of instant clarification.

Mice In A Maze-Going In Circles

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<p align="left">It is as it is - It goes as it goes
If it doesn't go, that's how it goes
If it isn't, then that's how it is

<p align="right">_______________________
I like hu-mans. Really
They do funnee stuffs

They seems to live with the
impression that they is some
sorts of omniscient - you can
then always depend on them
to tells you exactly what your
thoughts and feelings is.

Handy
New!! Improved!! Now With T-Formula!!

<img alt="[linked image]" src="http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc31 ... s.gif">[hr]There is forgiveness. Unfortunately, forgiveness doesn't mean a thing
..... when not applied that is. Therefore, it is I who forgive, publically
those who either dare or will not - for, as it seems, they are not ready
yet, to do so by themselves; out of themselves. I hereby thus, plow
the road; leading the way, for those eager to walk that walk as well.
JVH, July 20, 2010, 2:22

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July 31st, 2010, 3:30 pm #2


... by those that rationalize them to be so.

There are occasional exceptions that cloud the landscape and make discernment troublesome, at times.
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JVH
Joined: July 20th, 2009, 1:33 pm

July 31st, 2010, 4:51 pm #3



<p align="right">statements of a transcendent or immaterial nature equal incoherency as such connotations have no ontological status



<em>"There are occasional exceptions that cloud the landscape and make discernment troublesome..."</em>

Such as?


<p align="left">... abductive, inductive, deductive
are the 3 basic modes of reasoning
when we fail to discern between them
we are destined to act accordingly ...


<p align="center">... after all, inference demands explicit entails implicit
so, iff what is explicitly posed is true, then what it
necessarily infers or implies must logically be true
as well - if not, then it is incontrovertibly axiomatic
there is something amiss with the explicitly posed ...


<p align="right">... the excruciating irony of incomprehensibility
& self-refutation thus; those oblivious of it become
indispensably the experts in applying it, effectually
revealing the exact opposite of apparent intent
thereby granting the courtesy of instant clarification.

Mice In A Maze-Going In Circles


<p align="left">It is as it is - It goes as it goes
If it doesn't go, that's how it goes
If it isn't, then that's how it is

<p align="right">_______________________
I like hu-mans. Really
They do funnee stuffs

They seems to live with the
impression that they is some
sorts of omniscient - you can
then always depend on them
to tells you exactly what your
thoughts and feelings is.

Handy
New!! Improved!! Now With T-Formula!!


There is forgiveness. Unfortunately, forgiveness doesn't mean a thing
..... when not applied that is. Therefore, it is I who forgive, publically
those who either dare or will not - for, as it seems, they are not ready
yet, to do so by themselves; out of themselves. I hereby thus, plow
the road; leading the way, for those eager to walk that walk as well.
JVH, July 20, 2010, 2:22

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July 31st, 2010, 5:49 pm #4

... by those that rationalize them to be so.

There are occasional exceptions that cloud the landscape and make discernment troublesome, at times.
That word jumped out at me. Prophecies of the past are like seeing faces and objects in clouds.

They are made to fit. They have some resemblance. But that's about it.

What is the point of prophecies thousands of years into the future? It's a stretch and rationalization. On an individual level, wisdom is timeless. Even for societies.

But to think that visions of cataclysms are for a time thousands of years in the future, beggars the imagination, and from a rational perspective, is pointless.

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July 31st, 2010, 6:18 pm #5


<p align="right">statements of a transcendent or immaterial nature equal incoherency as such connotations have no ontological status



<em>"There are occasional exceptions that cloud the landscape and make discernment troublesome..."</em>

Such as?


<p align="left">... abductive, inductive, deductive
are the 3 basic modes of reasoning
when we fail to discern between them
we are destined to act accordingly ...


<p align="center">... after all, inference demands explicit entails implicit
so, iff what is explicitly posed is true, then what it
necessarily infers or implies must logically be true
as well - if not, then it is incontrovertibly axiomatic
there is something amiss with the explicitly posed ...


<p align="right">... the excruciating irony of incomprehensibility
& self-refutation thus; those oblivious of it become
indispensably the experts in applying it, effectually
revealing the exact opposite of apparent intent
thereby granting the courtesy of instant clarification.

Mice In A Maze-Going In Circles


<p align="left">It is as it is - It goes as it goes
If it doesn't go, that's how it goes
If it isn't, then that's how it is

<p align="right">_______________________
I like hu-mans. Really
They do funnee stuffs

They seems to live with the
impression that they is some
sorts of omniscient - you can
then always depend on them
to tells you exactly what your
thoughts and feelings is.

Handy
New!! Improved!! Now With T-Formula!!


There is forgiveness. Unfortunately, forgiveness doesn't mean a thing
..... when not applied that is. Therefore, it is I who forgive, publically
those who either dare or will not - for, as it seems, they are not ready
yet, to do so by themselves; out of themselves. I hereby thus, plow
the road; leading the way, for those eager to walk that walk as well.
JVH, July 20, 2010, 2:22

I prophesied that you would respond just as you did.
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JVH
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July 31st, 2010, 7:29 pm #6

<p align="right">
<p align="right">The logician: 'here are the demonstrable facts, what conclusion can we draw from them?'
The believer: 'here is the conclusion, what alleged facts can we conjure to justify it?'



<p align="left"><img alt="sad.gif" src="/images/sad.gif" width="14" height="14">


<p align="left">... abductive, inductive, deductive
are the 3 basic modes of reasoning and
when we fail to discern between them
we are destined to act accordingly ...

<img alt="[linked image]" src="http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc31 ... athink.gif">
<p align="center">... after all, inference demands explicit entails implicit
so, iff what is explicitly posed is true, then what it
necessarily infers or implies must logically be true
as well - if not, then it is incontrovertibly axiomatic
there is something amiss with the explicitly posed ...

<img alt="[linked image]" src="http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc31 ... latalk.gif">
<p align="right">... the excruciating irony of incomprehensibility
& self-refutation thus; those oblivious of it become
indispensably the experts in applying it, effectually
revealing the exact opposite of apparent intent
thereby granting the courtesy of instant clarification.

Mice In A Maze-Going In Circles

<img alt="[linked image]" src="http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc31 ... search.gif">
<p align="left">It is as it is - It goes as it goes
If it doesn't go, that's how it goes
If it isn't, then that's how it is

<p align="right">_______________________
I like hu-mans. Really
They do funnee stuffs

They seems to live with the
impression that they is some
sorts of omniscient - you can
then always depend on them
to tells you exactly what your
thoughts and feelings is.

Handy
New!! Improved!! Now With T-Formula!!

<img alt="[linked image]" src="http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc31 ... s.gif">[hr]There is forgiveness. Unfortunately, forgiveness doesn't mean a thing
..... when not applied that is. Therefore, it is I who forgive, publically
those who either dare or will not - for, as it seems, they are not ready
yet, to do so by themselves; out of themselves. I hereby thus, plow
the road; leading the way, for those eager to walk that walk as well.
JVH, July 20, 2010, 2:22

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August 1st, 2010, 6:28 pm #7

That word jumped out at me. Prophecies of the past are like seeing faces and objects in clouds.

They are made to fit. They have some resemblance. But that's about it.

What is the point of prophecies thousands of years into the future? It's a stretch and rationalization. On an individual level, wisdom is timeless. Even for societies.

But to think that visions of cataclysms are for a time thousands of years in the future, beggars the imagination, and from a rational perspective, is pointless.
we are the clouds he comes in


water takes the shape of the vessel that holds it:

THE WORD takes the shape of the soul that holds it:

the UNIVERSE Makes everything unique in the sense that every snowflake, DNA, and FACE is different, even though there are billions of them:

but the SAME SUBSTANCE forms them all:

it is the SUBSTANCE that we come to "know" so that it doesn't matter what FORM it takes in the end:

My guess is the substance will FORM an eternal FORM out of us and what it is in US:

we are not that far from it....once we are joined to the substance so it can do its RENEWAL in us, making all things new
every day is a new day to die to the old and live to the newness of life
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August 1st, 2010, 7:32 pm #8

<p align="right">
<p align="right">The logician: 'here are the demonstrable facts, what conclusion can we draw from them?'
The believer: 'here is the conclusion, what alleged facts can we conjure to justify it?'



<p align="left"><img alt="sad.gif" src="/images/sad.gif" width="14" height="14">


<p align="left">... abductive, inductive, deductive
are the 3 basic modes of reasoning and
when we fail to discern between them
we are destined to act accordingly ...

<img alt="[linked image]" src="http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc31 ... athink.gif">
<p align="center">... after all, inference demands explicit entails implicit
so, iff what is explicitly posed is true, then what it
necessarily infers or implies must logically be true
as well - if not, then it is incontrovertibly axiomatic
there is something amiss with the explicitly posed ...

<img alt="[linked image]" src="http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc31 ... latalk.gif">
<p align="right">... the excruciating irony of incomprehensibility
& self-refutation thus; those oblivious of it become
indispensably the experts in applying it, effectually
revealing the exact opposite of apparent intent
thereby granting the courtesy of instant clarification.

Mice In A Maze-Going In Circles

<img alt="[linked image]" src="http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc31 ... search.gif">
<p align="left">It is as it is - It goes as it goes
If it doesn't go, that's how it goes
If it isn't, then that's how it is

<p align="right">_______________________
I like hu-mans. Really
They do funnee stuffs

They seems to live with the
impression that they is some
sorts of omniscient - you can
then always depend on them
to tells you exactly what your
thoughts and feelings is.

Handy
New!! Improved!! Now With T-Formula!!

<img alt="[linked image]" src="http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc31 ... s.gif">[hr]There is forgiveness. Unfortunately, forgiveness doesn't mean a thing
..... when not applied that is. Therefore, it is I who forgive, publically
those who either dare or will not - for, as it seems, they are not ready
yet, to do so by themselves; out of themselves. I hereby thus, plow
the road; leading the way, for those eager to walk that walk as well.
JVH, July 20, 2010, 2:22

Certainly you've heard of people at work heading home early because something "felt" wrong and they arrive home to find something was wrong - fire, burglar, child emergency, etc.

Also, on a personal note... On Easter of this year we got together as a family and as my sister-in-law left I knew that would be the last time I ever saw her. Of course you never share such things with loved ones. A week later she died a day after she had surgery.

You may be as skeptical as you like. However, I know from personal experience that profound prophecies do occur. From what I've gather, they're more personal in nature than the "grandiose apocalyptic" hind-sight rationalizations used by religious zealots.
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JVH
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August 1st, 2010, 8:03 pm #9



<p align="right">statements of a transcendent or immaterial nature equal incoherency as such connotations have no ontological status



... is something else, not prophesy.


<p align="left">... abductive, inductive, deductive
are the 3 basic modes of reasoning and
when we fail to discern between them
we are destined to act accordingly ...


<p align="center">... after all, inference demands explicit entails implicit
so, iff what is explicitly posed is true, then what it
necessarily infers or implies must logically be true
as well - if not, then it is incontrovertibly axiomatic
there is something amiss with the explicitly posed ...


<p align="right">... the excruciating irony of incomprehensibility
& self-refutation thus; those oblivious of it become
indispensably the experts in applying it, effectually
revealing the exact opposite of apparent intent
thereby granting the courtesy of instant clarification.

Mice In A Maze-Going In Circles


<p align="left">It is as it is - It goes as it goes
If it doesn't go, that's how it goes
If it isn't, then that's how it is

<p align="right">_______________________
I like hu-mans. Really
They do funnee stuffs

They seems to live with the
impression that they is some
sorts of omniscient - you can
then always depend on them
to tells you exactly what your
thoughts and feelings is.

Handy
New!! Improved!! Now With T-Formula!!


There is forgiveness. Unfortunately, forgiveness doesn't mean a thing
..... when not applied that is. Therefore, it is I who forgive, publically
those who either dare or will not - for, as it seems, they are not ready
yet, to do so by themselves; out of themselves. I hereby thus, plow
the road; leading the way, for those eager to walk that walk as well.
JVH, July 20, 2010, 2:22

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August 2nd, 2010, 3:34 am #10


From dictionary.com:
verb (used with object)
1. to foretell or predict.
2. to indicate beforehand.
3. to declare or foretell by or as if by divine inspiration.
4. to utter in prophecy or as a prophet.
verb (used without object)
5. to make predictions.
6. to make inspired declarations of what is to come.
7. to speak as a mediator between god and humankind or in God's stead.
8. Archaic . to teach religious subjects.


It basically means to predict something. So I'm wondering what your definition is that is considered different.
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