Some rambling thoughts

Some rambling thoughts

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April 28th, 2012, 5:18 pm #1

on "the logos" ... sparked from this post below ...

It's often hard and confusing to figure out where charity ends and sacrifice begins. I know ... because, as a Christian, I felt an enormous amount of pressure/conflict between what I "should" do and what I wanted to do.

If a person practices charity, he will inevitably attract a lot of people to himself who look for handouts, freebies and "help" ... and then the burden of charity becomes pure grueling sacrifice. So how does a charitable person DECIDE when enough is enough ... clamps down and says, "NO MORE!"

The answer (perhaps) lies in evaluating ... exactly WHAT is being "demanded" of you.

The logos way of "love" is to think and to understand the dynamics of what is going on in your life and the lives of those around you with whom you're interacting in a group setting.

When you consider that logos is unselfish, non-preoccupied with ego or competition and keenly interested in the good of the group ... it becomes a lot easier to handle.

If people try to take advantage of your charity ... then THEY are being selfish ... right?

If your aim/goal is to eliminate selfishness ... then you don't NEED to satisfy THEIR demands for their own selfish gratification. You CAN if you want to -if you see some advantage for someone to learn and grow from your charity or compliance- but ... you are under NO OBLIGATION to satisfy the demands of others upon you.

What you give ... you give freely because you WANT to. If you DON'T want to ... why, you don't have to. It's just that simple, really.

And once you can see it for yourself and comprehend that for yourself, your own cooperation and charitable attitude will start bringing you joy instead of resentment.

If you give because it's demanded of you ... you WILL become resentful.

So ... if someone demands your coat ... give him your "cloke" too!~ I have no idea what a cloke is, really ... but the concept is that by DOING something along this line, you aren't giving in to a demand and aren't being controlled by the demand ... you are taking matters into your own hand by GIVING him the "extra". That very action, deflates his satisfaction over having got the best of you.

Now ... you're under no OBLIGATION to do this just because you're a Christian ... and if you do it and don't understand WHY you're doing it, you're going to feel resentful about doing it ... but if you UNDERSTAND the underlying concept ... you'll walk away being a winner in the situation and feeling GOOD about yourself.

THAT is the goal with logos ... to be free and happy at all times, regardless of your circumstances ... because you UNDERSTAND what you're doing and why you're doing it ... and what you do, gives you satisfaction. At the same time, you aren't in competition with anyone; in fact, you are a part of a greater whole and supporting the good of a greater whole because you can perceive that greater whole.

I've been approached by panhandlers plenty of times and my response has been all over the place. In some cases I've been downright rude in my refusal and in other cases I've given a "breath-taking" amount to some charlatan ... when I shouldn't have.

My giving hasn't been justified and smart in any way in those cases but ... I won't beat myself over the head for having been so stupid or having been duped. I just say, "live and learn". I hope the guy who got the big amount will learn something from his receipt of my charity ... as have I !~

When you give to someone and you see how grateful they are to receive your gift ... you feel GLAD ... right? You don't feel as though you've lost what you gave; you feel like you GAINED something worth more than what you gave away.

On the other hand, if you give something which is NOT appreciated, you feel "cheated" somehow.

Real charity though, is giving with no strings attached. This is the kind of giving which the New Testament Greek called "anathema". Once you give it away, you divorce yourself of all thoughts of ownership or wanting to derive some benefit from your charity.

If you give because you DECIDE to do it ... and not because you "should" or because it's demanded ... you will be a much happier and more fulfilled ... and WISER person!

-Vince


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April 29th, 2012, 6:12 pm #2

Some rambling thoughts
April 28 2012 at 1:18 PM
Vince (Login MoxiFox)
Von Klumpen
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on "the logos" ... sparked from this post below ...

It's often hard
and confusing to figure out
where charity ends
and sacrifice begins.
I know ...
because, as a Christian,
I felt an enormous amount of pressure/conflict
between what I "should" do
and what I wanted to do.

If a person practices charity,
he will inevitably attract a lot of people
to himself who look for handouts, freebies and "help" ...
and then the burden of charity
becomes pure grueling sacrifice.
So how does
a charitable person DECIDE
when enough is enough ... clamps down
and says, "NO MORE!"

The answer (perhaps) lies
in evaluating ... exactly WHAT is
being "demanded" of you.

The logos way of "love" is
to think and to understand
the dynamics of what is going on
in your life
and the lives of those around you
with whom you're interacting
in a group setting.

When you consider that logos is
unselfish, non-preoccupied with ego
or competition
and keenly interested in
the good of the group ... it becomes
a lot easier to handle.

If people try to take advantage
of your charity ... then THEY are
being selfish ... right?

If your aim/goal is to eliminate selfishness ... then
you don't NEED to satisfy THEIR demands
for their own selfish gratification.
You CAN if you want to -if you
see some advantage for someone to learn
and grow from your charity
or compliance- but ... you are
under NO OBLIGATION to satisfy the demands
of others upon you.

What you give ... you give freely
because you WANT to.
If you DON'T want to ... why,
you don't have to. It's just
that simple, really.

And once you can see
it for yourself
and comprehend that for yourself,
your own cooperation
and charitable attitude will start
bringing you joy
instead of resentment.

If you give
because it's demanded of you ... you WILL
become resentful.

So ... if someone demands your coat ... give him
your "cloke" too!~ I have no idea
what a cloke is, really ... but
the concept is
that by DOING something along this line,
you aren't giving in to a demand
and aren't being controlled by
the demand ... you are taking matters
into your own hand
by GIVING him the "extra".
That very action,
deflates his satisfaction
over having got
the best of you.

Now ... you're under no OBLIGATION
to do this
just because you're a Christian ...
and if you do it
and don't understand WHY
you're doing it,
you're going to feel resentful about
doing it ...
but if you UNDERSTAND
the underlying concept ... you'll walk
away being a winner
in the situation
and feeling GOOD
about yourself.

THAT is the goal with logos ... to be free
and happy at all times,
regardless of your circumstances ...
because you UNDERSTAND
what you're doing
and why you're doing it ...
and what you do,
gives you satisfaction.
At the same time,
you aren't in competition with anyone;
in fact,
you are a part of a greater whole
and supporting the good
of a greater whole
because you can
perceive that greater whole.

I've been approached
by panhandlers plenty of times
and my response has been
all over the place.
In some cases
I've been downright rude
in my refusal
and in other cases
I've given a "breath-taking" amount
to some charlatan ... when
I shouldn't have.

My giving hasn't been justified
and smart in any way
in those cases
but ... I won't beat myself over the head
for having been so stupid
or having been duped.
I just say, "live and learn".
I hope the guy who
got the big amount
will learn something
from his receipt of my charity ... as
have I !~

When you give to someone
and you see how grateful they are
to receive your gift ... you feel GLAD ... right?
You don't feel as though
you've lost what you gave;
you feel like you GAINED something
worth more than
what you gave away.

On the other hand,
if you give something
which is NOT appreciated,
you feel "cheated"
somehow.

Real charity though,
is giving with no strings attached.
This is the kind of giving
which the New Testament Greek
called "anathema".
Once you give it away,
you divorce yourself
of all thoughts
of ownership
or wanting to derive
some benefit from your charity.

If you give
because you DECIDE to do it ...
and not because you "should"
or because it's demanded ...
you will be a much happier
and more fulfilled ...
and WISER person!

-Vince

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April 29th, 2012, 8:11 pm #3

on "the logos" ... sparked from this post below ...

It's often hard and confusing to figure out where charity ends and sacrifice begins. I know ... because, as a Christian, I felt an enormous amount of pressure/conflict between what I "should" do and what I wanted to do.

If a person practices charity, he will inevitably attract a lot of people to himself who look for handouts, freebies and "help" ... and then the burden of charity becomes pure grueling sacrifice. So how does a charitable person DECIDE when enough is enough ... clamps down and says, "NO MORE!"

The answer (perhaps) lies in evaluating ... exactly WHAT is being "demanded" of you.

The logos way of "love" is to think and to understand the dynamics of what is going on in your life and the lives of those around you with whom you're interacting in a group setting.

When you consider that logos is unselfish, non-preoccupied with ego or competition and keenly interested in the good of the group ... it becomes a lot easier to handle.

If people try to take advantage of your charity ... then THEY are being selfish ... right?

If your aim/goal is to eliminate selfishness ... then you don't NEED to satisfy THEIR demands for their own selfish gratification. You CAN if you want to -if you see some advantage for someone to learn and grow from your charity or compliance- but ... you are under NO OBLIGATION to satisfy the demands of others upon you.

What you give ... you give freely because you WANT to. If you DON'T want to ... why, you don't have to. It's just that simple, really.

And once you can see it for yourself and comprehend that for yourself, your own cooperation and charitable attitude will start bringing you joy instead of resentment.

If you give because it's demanded of you ... you WILL become resentful.

So ... if someone demands your coat ... give him your "cloke" too!~ I have no idea what a cloke is, really ... but the concept is that by DOING something along this line, you aren't giving in to a demand and aren't being controlled by the demand ... you are taking matters into your own hand by GIVING him the "extra". That very action, deflates his satisfaction over having got the best of you.

Now ... you're under no OBLIGATION to do this just because you're a Christian ... and if you do it and don't understand WHY you're doing it, you're going to feel resentful about doing it ... but if you UNDERSTAND the underlying concept ... you'll walk away being a winner in the situation and feeling GOOD about yourself.

THAT is the goal with logos ... to be free and happy at all times, regardless of your circumstances ... because you UNDERSTAND what you're doing and why you're doing it ... and what you do, gives you satisfaction. At the same time, you aren't in competition with anyone; in fact, you are a part of a greater whole and supporting the good of a greater whole because you can perceive that greater whole.

I've been approached by panhandlers plenty of times and my response has been all over the place. In some cases I've been downright rude in my refusal and in other cases I've given a "breath-taking" amount to some charlatan ... when I shouldn't have.

My giving hasn't been justified and smart in any way in those cases but ... I won't beat myself over the head for having been so stupid or having been duped. I just say, "live and learn". I hope the guy who got the big amount will learn something from his receipt of my charity ... as have I !~

When you give to someone and you see how grateful they are to receive your gift ... you feel GLAD ... right? You don't feel as though you've lost what you gave; you feel like you GAINED something worth more than what you gave away.

On the other hand, if you give something which is NOT appreciated, you feel "cheated" somehow.

Real charity though, is giving with no strings attached. This is the kind of giving which the New Testament Greek called "anathema". Once you give it away, you divorce yourself of all thoughts of ownership or wanting to derive some benefit from your charity.

If you give because you DECIDE to do it ... and not because you "should" or because it's demanded ... you will be a much happier and more fulfilled ... and WISER person!

-Vince

and I think charity can be in many forms.

Charity of knowledge.

Charity of items or money.

Charity of love and kindness, empathy.

Charity of forgiveness.


And I think they all fit into your analogy of charity.


God uses charity, hence according to the Bible we are all charity cases.
For all have fallen short of the glory of God, therefor God gave the charity of grace through the judgement and sacrifice of His begotten Son Jesus.

And the deal is;
John 5:22
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Tim

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April 29th, 2012, 9:04 pm #4

charity of thought/attitude ...

As A. Paul said ... "And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing."

Whatever word Paul used (in Greek) ... it wasn't what we perceive the word "charity" to be in English today. Today we think of charity as simply giving money or gifts to help poor people who are "worse off" than us ... and that STILL puts us into a superior frame of mind.

That's exactly what Paul pointed out in his phrase above. That kind of action ISN'T actually charity.

Real charity encompasses EMPATHY.

And real charity can be as simple as LISTENING to another person talk and HEARING what they say!

You listen and hear because the other person is IMPORTANT to you. You feel for them; their feelings matter to you.

This is an area that really bothers me a lot in our present-day world. It seems that most people want to TALK and impress others with what they have to say. They have little-to-no time to put their mind into pause and HEAR what the other guy is saying (because it might interfere with what they were/are thinking and want to talk about).

Conversations and "discussions" these days ... seem to be little more than shouting matches or one-up-manship competitions.

When you actually HEAR another person talking, you will inevitably develop FEELING for what the other person is trying to express.

-Vince
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April 29th, 2012, 9:06 pm #5

Some rambling thoughts
April 28 2012 at 1:18 PM
Vince (Login MoxiFox)
Von Klumpen
-----------------------------------------------------
on "the logos" ... sparked from this post below ...

It's often hard
and confusing to figure out
where charity ends
and sacrifice begins.
I know ...
because, as a Christian,
I felt an enormous amount of pressure/conflict
between what I "should" do
and what I wanted to do.

If a person practices charity,
he will inevitably attract a lot of people
to himself who look for handouts, freebies and "help" ...
and then the burden of charity
becomes pure grueling sacrifice.
So how does
a charitable person DECIDE
when enough is enough ... clamps down
and says, "NO MORE!"

The answer (perhaps) lies
in evaluating ... exactly WHAT is
being "demanded" of you.

The logos way of "love" is
to think and to understand
the dynamics of what is going on
in your life
and the lives of those around you
with whom you're interacting
in a group setting.

When you consider that logos is
unselfish, non-preoccupied with ego
or competition
and keenly interested in
the good of the group ... it becomes
a lot easier to handle.

If people try to take advantage
of your charity ... then THEY are
being selfish ... right?

If your aim/goal is to eliminate selfishness ... then
you don't NEED to satisfy THEIR demands
for their own selfish gratification.
You CAN if you want to -if you
see some advantage for someone to learn
and grow from your charity
or compliance- but ... you are
under NO OBLIGATION to satisfy the demands
of others upon you.

What you give ... you give freely
because you WANT to.
If you DON'T want to ... why,
you don't have to. It's just
that simple, really.

And once you can see
it for yourself
and comprehend that for yourself,
your own cooperation
and charitable attitude will start
bringing you joy
instead of resentment.

If you give
because it's demanded of you ... you WILL
become resentful.

So ... if someone demands your coat ... give him
your "cloke" too!~ I have no idea
what a cloke is, really ... but
the concept is
that by DOING something along this line,
you aren't giving in to a demand
and aren't being controlled by
the demand ... you are taking matters
into your own hand
by GIVING him the "extra".
That very action,
deflates his satisfaction
over having got
the best of you.

Now ... you're under no OBLIGATION
to do this
just because you're a Christian ...
and if you do it
and don't understand WHY
you're doing it,
you're going to feel resentful about
doing it ...
but if you UNDERSTAND
the underlying concept ... you'll walk
away being a winner
in the situation
and feeling GOOD
about yourself.

THAT is the goal with logos ... to be free
and happy at all times,
regardless of your circumstances ...
because you UNDERSTAND
what you're doing
and why you're doing it ...
and what you do,
gives you satisfaction.
At the same time,
you aren't in competition with anyone;
in fact,
you are a part of a greater whole
and supporting the good
of a greater whole
because you can
perceive that greater whole.

I've been approached
by panhandlers plenty of times
and my response has been
all over the place.
In some cases
I've been downright rude
in my refusal
and in other cases
I've given a "breath-taking" amount
to some charlatan ... when
I shouldn't have.

My giving hasn't been justified
and smart in any way
in those cases
but ... I won't beat myself over the head
for having been so stupid
or having been duped.
I just say, "live and learn".
I hope the guy who
got the big amount
will learn something
from his receipt of my charity ... as
have I !~

When you give to someone
and you see how grateful they are
to receive your gift ... you feel GLAD ... right?
You don't feel as though
you've lost what you gave;
you feel like you GAINED something
worth more than
what you gave away.

On the other hand,
if you give something
which is NOT appreciated,
you feel "cheated"
somehow.

Real charity though,
is giving with no strings attached.
This is the kind of giving
which the New Testament Greek
called "anathema".
Once you give it away,
you divorce yourself
of all thoughts
of ownership
or wanting to derive
some benefit from your charity.

If you give
because you DECIDE to do it ...
and not because you "should"
or because it's demanded ...
you will be a much happier
and more fulfilled ...
and WISER person!

-Vince

One!life > I've know this, for some time, now!
Thanks vincelife for your share'ns!

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April 29th, 2012, 9:13 pm #6

charity of thought/attitude ...

As A. Paul said ... "And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing."

Whatever word Paul used (in Greek) ... it wasn't what we perceive the word "charity" to be in English today. Today we think of charity as simply giving money or gifts to help poor people who are "worse off" than us ... and that STILL puts us into a superior frame of mind.

That's exactly what Paul pointed out in his phrase above. That kind of action ISN'T actually charity.

Real charity encompasses EMPATHY.

And real charity can be as simple as LISTENING to another person talk and HEARING what they say!

You listen and hear because the other person is IMPORTANT to you. You feel for them; their feelings matter to you.

This is an area that really bothers me a lot in our present-day world. It seems that most people want to TALK and impress others with what they have to say. They have little-to-no time to put their mind into pause and HEAR what the other guy is saying (because it might interfere with what they were/are thinking and want to talk about).

Conversations and "discussions" these days ... seem to be little more than shouting matches or one-up-manship competitions.

When you actually HEAR another person talking, you will inevitably develop FEELING for what the other person is trying to express.

-Vince
That's why I push the "BE REAL" theme on people at times to get down into what really matters in each persons life.

Got to go finish making dinner, pops is coming over for turkey and potato's and gravy and stuffing and corn yummy! Swing by, there's plenty to go around.

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April 30th, 2012, 1:07 am #7

That doesn't seem to relate to what I was talking about though? ...

Or ... HOW does it relate, do you think?

Tim said [That's why I push the "BE REAL" theme on people at times to get down into what really matters in each persons life.]

What did you pick up from what I said?

Here's a test for real listening ...

You repeat back -in your OWN WORDS (to reveal your own perception)- what the other person has just said to you.

Ex.> "What I hear you saying is that ...."

Ex.> "So what you're saying is ....?"

Ex.> "Are you telling me such and such?"

Ex.> "I hear you. And here's what I think about what you just said."

You offer feedback to the person talking to you ... to demonstrate (to both of you) ... that this is a real conversation and not a competition of who can make the most dramatic presentation.

Too much of "conversation" is mostly competition between people to "prove" who is more interesting, more funny, smarter, more sensational or more dramatic .... and no real communication actually takes place.

-Vince
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April 30th, 2012, 3:13 am #8

I think its like you said Vince;
"Real charity encompasses EMPATHY."

Too many people more often then not show 0% of empathy towards others.
And without empathy there can't be true charity.

That's when I say to people; "BE REAL AND STOP BEING AFRAID TO BE HUMAN"

And being real has nothing to do with ego or competition but only empathy in the spirit of charity, of sharing knowledge.

I think we're on the same page Vince, I'm just explaining it in my own words.

Lives griefs can come in many forms, PC problems, Bible problems, family problems, employment problems....
I think many people will not share the griefs of life out of the fear of rejection from ego based people. And ego based people won't share griefs because their ego tells them they will look weak to others.

And as well charity can come in many forms....
But when true charity is offered to lives difficulties both parties are rewarded.

Even my little dog Prancer gives comforting charity.
Last week when our Kinship partner was here (13 year old girl) she told a story about how here older brother was always on drugs.... And she almost started crying, and Prancer went to her and hinted that he wanted to sit on her lap. And she said; What do you want Prancer?
And I said; He wants to sit on your lap and comfort you and make you feel better, he knows your sad.

Tim


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April 30th, 2012, 6:10 am #9

Now THAT is what I wanted to hear! You explaining to me ... what you meant and how it tied in with what I said. Now I understand where you're coming from.

I agree with you that many people are afraid to share what's TRULY bothering them. This is something that used to annoy me no end when I was an early 20 something, going to the first church that I ever got involved in. There was mostly laughing and joking going on ... interspersed with brutally SERIOUS bible study/prayer ... but virtually no personal sharing. I remember hearing the phrase that came to bug me so much all through my personal Christian life: a prayer request for some anonymous person or ... "an unspoken prayer request". I always wondered how that could work with God. He knew who the person was but we didn't. Now we were supposed to ask HIM to help someone we didn't know ... with a problem we weren't permitted to know much about and had no idea why the person might be having that problem ... and God would say, "all right! It's about TIME someone asked me to fix that problem! Oh wait ... they're asking me to fix something they know nothing about and they don't even know who the person is that they're asking for! If they don't know ... how am ((I)) supposed to know?!?"

I suppose the reason why people WON'T share what is TRULY bothering them ... is manifold.

1) They don't want to admit their REAL problem ... which is causing the symptoms they're wanting to have removed.

2) They don't want to admit failure. Christian belief is supposed to bring VICTORY after all and so ... why are they always feeling so miserable or so uptight?

3) They soon learn that other people don't want to HEAR about their problems.

And there's a reason why people don't want to hear about problems ...

1) It's difficult to listen to people going round and round and round ... talking about an obsession with their problem that never stops and keeps repeating itself with the same words!~ (They just keep repeating themselves, saying the same problem over and over again).

2) Listeners usually think they're expected to offer a solution to the problem ... but that doesn't work because the "complainer" has endless excuses and (really) ... only wants to vent.

So it's extremely stressful and nerve-wracking to try to "help" someone with a problem that they're "complaining" about. The best thing to do is just keep quiet, nod your head at appropriate times ... and let them talk until they run out of gas.

This is why bartenders tend to be such good "friends" because that's all they do. Often, after people have finished outlining their problems to someone who's listening to them ... and HEARD THEMSELVES describing their own problems ... they go off feeling better and then start working on their own solution!

There's a major difference between what goes on in the mind of feeling and the mind of problem solving. One is strictly a closed endless loop of stress and the other is a logical solution finder. This is why it's often very useful to talk out loud to yourself and voice your problem. Or ... to sit down and WRITE OUT your problem on paper or computer. It's as though the brain has no internal connection between these two parts of the mind and needs for the problem to come out and be sensed by one of the 5 or 6 senses we have.

So if anyone "out there" has some major problems ... try talking to yourself first before you go out and bombard someone else!~ If you really WANT a solution ... you'll likely find yourself coming up with your own ... and then you don't have to stress out someone else and lose them as a "friend"!~~

But anyway ... that ISN'T what I had in mind when talking about charity ... because this is a lopsided situation too ... where one person is "below" the other person, needing help ... and the other person is (supposedly) the (superior) help giver.

I don't believe real charity works like that. I believe charity is a mutual thing ... on a level playing field ... where BOTH parties are helping each other mutually.

... and I think that conversation is a very big part of such charity. In a way, it's a learned art form where people learn to inject their own thoughts but then are just as able to hit the pause button and HEAR what the other person is saying -and process it- before releasing the pause button and going on with their own thoughts.

-Vince

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April 30th, 2012, 7:09 pm #10

on "the logos" ... sparked from this post below ...

It's often hard and confusing to figure out where charity ends and sacrifice begins. I know ... because, as a Christian, I felt an enormous amount of pressure/conflict between what I "should" do and what I wanted to do.

If a person practices charity, he will inevitably attract a lot of people to himself who look for handouts, freebies and "help" ... and then the burden of charity becomes pure grueling sacrifice. So how does a charitable person DECIDE when enough is enough ... clamps down and says, "NO MORE!"

The answer (perhaps) lies in evaluating ... exactly WHAT is being "demanded" of you.

The logos way of "love" is to think and to understand the dynamics of what is going on in your life and the lives of those around you with whom you're interacting in a group setting.

When you consider that logos is unselfish, non-preoccupied with ego or competition and keenly interested in the good of the group ... it becomes a lot easier to handle.

If people try to take advantage of your charity ... then THEY are being selfish ... right?

If your aim/goal is to eliminate selfishness ... then you don't NEED to satisfy THEIR demands for their own selfish gratification. You CAN if you want to -if you see some advantage for someone to learn and grow from your charity or compliance- but ... you are under NO OBLIGATION to satisfy the demands of others upon you.

What you give ... you give freely because you WANT to. If you DON'T want to ... why, you don't have to. It's just that simple, really.

And once you can see it for yourself and comprehend that for yourself, your own cooperation and charitable attitude will start bringing you joy instead of resentment.

If you give because it's demanded of you ... you WILL become resentful.

So ... if someone demands your coat ... give him your "cloke" too!~ I have no idea what a cloke is, really ... but the concept is that by DOING something along this line, you aren't giving in to a demand and aren't being controlled by the demand ... you are taking matters into your own hand by GIVING him the "extra". That very action, deflates his satisfaction over having got the best of you.

Now ... you're under no OBLIGATION to do this just because you're a Christian ... and if you do it and don't understand WHY you're doing it, you're going to feel resentful about doing it ... but if you UNDERSTAND the underlying concept ... you'll walk away being a winner in the situation and feeling GOOD about yourself.

THAT is the goal with logos ... to be free and happy at all times, regardless of your circumstances ... because you UNDERSTAND what you're doing and why you're doing it ... and what you do, gives you satisfaction. At the same time, you aren't in competition with anyone; in fact, you are a part of a greater whole and supporting the good of a greater whole because you can perceive that greater whole.

I've been approached by panhandlers plenty of times and my response has been all over the place. In some cases I've been downright rude in my refusal and in other cases I've given a "breath-taking" amount to some charlatan ... when I shouldn't have.

My giving hasn't been justified and smart in any way in those cases but ... I won't beat myself over the head for having been so stupid or having been duped. I just say, "live and learn". I hope the guy who got the big amount will learn something from his receipt of my charity ... as have I !~

When you give to someone and you see how grateful they are to receive your gift ... you feel GLAD ... right? You don't feel as though you've lost what you gave; you feel like you GAINED something worth more than what you gave away.

On the other hand, if you give something which is NOT appreciated, you feel "cheated" somehow.

Real charity though, is giving with no strings attached. This is the kind of giving which the New Testament Greek called "anathema". Once you give it away, you divorce yourself of all thoughts of ownership or wanting to derive some benefit from your charity.

If you give because you DECIDE to do it ... and not because you "should" or because it's demanded ... you will be a much happier and more fulfilled ... and WISER person!

-Vince

In order to reduce evil it is necessary to provide incentives for persons to be good, or at least getting better, and also to provide deterrents to evil persons. Thus if you want to give to charities you should consider carefully what that charity is going to do with your money.
..... ALL charities SHOULD make sure that none of their money will help any evil person, but instead will help only good persons. That means proper discrimination not based on skin color, nor race, nor religion, nor obesity, nor looks, nor (whatever), but only on goodness of day-by-day BEHAVIOR.
..... Helping evil persons is helping them to continue their evil ways, and/or even encouraging them to be even worse.
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