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Pope Reverend I, BV
Pope Reverend I, BV

February 7th, 2010, 6:08 pm #51

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However, the fact is: Believe in Jesus, IOW believe
that He once walked among men and that He exists now in
Heaven, tell others about your belief, love your
neighbor, do unto others as you would have them
do unto you, and leave the rest up to Him {Jesus}

That's really all there is to it, luv.

Honest!

As I explained to Pam, the rest will fall into place.

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Because...
THAT is not precisely what you believe.
And, if you were to take the time to consider...
Precisely what it IS that you believe...
You would be able to understand that...
What you believe IS, by far...
Much More Complicated...
Than that which you profess.

For instance...

<blockquote>You Say: Believe in Jesus,
IOW believe that He once walked among men
However...
Even though I believe that Jesus walked among men...
-- Having been born the son of Mary and Joseph...
-- Jesus was the legitimate heir to both...
-- The High Priesthood of the Zadokite Lineage...
-- AND... The Royal Throne of David.
THAT, according to YOUR beliefs...
-- Is not enough.

Because...
-- We differ on the very definition of Jesus himself.
You Say: and that He exists now in Heaven
And, as a Universalist...
I can honestly say that I believe THAT to be True Too.
However...
Once again...
My belief, according to YOUR belief...
-- Is not enough.

Because...
-- We differ on the definition of... "Heaven".
You Say: tell others about your belief
But, when I do that...
Your beliefs are offended...
And I am declared to be...
-- A Heretic and a Reprobate.
You Say: love your neighbor,
do unto others as you would have them do unto you,
Which, I agree, seems to be a perfectly fine philosophy to live by...
And, it should be sufficient to say that...
-- I do believe I've got that covered.
You Say: and leave the rest up to Him {Jesus}
However...
When I did that...
I was led to the beliefs which I hold Today.
Beliefs which...
-- Because You are not yet able to comprehend...
Once again...
Are declared to be...
-- Lies and Heresy.

And, of course, as I have pointed out before...
Yours isn't the ONLY belief structure...
To be held, beneath the Theological Umbrella of "christianity".

Yes, John...
There are others, also proclaiming to be "christians"...
-- Who believe differently than YOU.
And, according to THEIR beliefs...
YOUR beliefs would be considered to be...
-- The Anathematic Prattlings of Heresy.

So, you see, John...
Your belief is more complicated...
-- Than you profess it to be.

-PRev1-
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February 8th, 2010, 3:38 am #52

I can tell time; time aint nevah told me nuthin.

-Vince
I am a (very) amateur photographer and I love taking pictures that show time. Old decaying buildings (and people) are great examples. Some day I may post some of them.

From the song 'When You and I were Young, Maggie'
"They say that I'm feeble with age, Maggie,
My steps are less sprightly than then,
My face is a well-written page, Maggie,
And time alone was the pen. "




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truthbetold
truthbetold

February 8th, 2010, 10:38 am #53

This triggers much thought, even some "cognitive dissonance" to resolve.

Results yet to come.

Thank you.
You're welcome.

As for this state of mental tension caused when confronted with contradicting cognitions; when pre-existing sentiment is challenged by incontrovertible evidence to the contrary which results in rationalizing (ad hoc), i.e., myopic focus on facts, logic, or experience which reinforces the already existing worldview, the following might be interesting.


Resistance to evidence which exposes or threatens a person's philosophy is well known to behavioural science. We do not give up our convictions easily, we somehow fear to have them challenged. We find it very difficult to accept evidence when it is opposed to our basic beliefs. In other words: primary cognitions of the emotional thinker confronted with unassailable secondary cognitions results in cognitive dissonance.

Cognitive Dissonance is a mental state of tension which occurs when primary cognitions are confronted with indisputably contradicting secondary cognitions, by what they infer, rendering the primary cognitions no longer maintainable. Cognitions confirming primary cognitons is thus 'friend', cognitions contradicting primary cognitions is therefore 'foe'.

Since the emotional thinker feels compelled to nullify 'new' secondary cognitions in conflict with 'old' primary cognitions - meant to somehow maintain them in order to do away with the unpleasant (mental) tension caused by what the contradicting 'new' secondary cognitons infer - the emotionalist will rationalize the 'old' primary cognitions although they can no longer be maintained rationally due to what the contradicting 'new' secondary cognitions undeniably reveal.

In order to assimilate inconsistent information to an existing worldview anyway, the emotional thinker will increase the number of consistent cognitions, thereby 'reducing' the dissonance. This involves rationalizing, i.e., myopic focus on facts, logic, or experience which reinforces an existing worldview (the Ad Hoc 'Rescue'). Or, the offending inconsistent cognitions are dismissed altogether as a result of this myopic focus on extant consistent cognitions.

It is called "rationalizing" because the emotionalist seeks out semi-logical and ill-logical conclusions using extant and even newly created (thereby consistant) cognitions through prevarication and such in order to find a way to invalidate the inconsistent cognitions. This, of course, is intellectually dishonest when done wittingly and when done 'unwittingly', the result of conditioning - habit, conviction, believe and so on. Either way, they are expressions, consciously and subconsciously, of the dogmatic refusal to face up to (the possibility of) being mistaken/wrong.

Again, learned behaviour really.



Believing 'your' opinion is right is mere confidence
Believing 'your' opinion is fact is sheer arrogance
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February 8th, 2010, 2:42 pm #54

Is THIS Guy...
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When he shows up...
Things can get really HOT...!

BTW...
I would have said "Hello" earlier...
But, I've been busy...
-- "playing chess with the retards".

Perhaps not the most productive pastime...
But...
-- Quite entertaining.

-PRev1-
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President Barrack Hussein Obama

-- Nobel Peace Prize, 2009 --
"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
-- George Orwell, "1984" --
He sure did stir the pot!

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February 8th, 2010, 2:53 pm #55

That was a Can of Worms...!

-PRev1-

President Barrack Hussein Obama

-- Nobel Peace Prize, 2009 --
"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
-- George Orwell, "1984" --
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