Logic 101

Logic 101

JVH
Joined: July 20th, 2009, 1:33 pm

December 8th, 2011, 1:21 pm #1

<p align="center"><img alt="animated-bell.gif" src="http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc31 ... d-bell.gif">
<p align="left">Logic (Greek: logos = "word", "speech", "reason") is the science that evaluates reasoning within arguments : a method of reasoning in which a set of statements mean to establish a definite proposition whilst logic serves as the means to evaluate the quality of ratiocination applied within the argument as to determine whether the conclusion reached or offered is valid and sound. That's about it.
<p align="left">Surprised?
<p align="left"> 
<p align="left">People seem to think logic refers to a lot more than just that. It doesn't.
<p align="left">Logic is not a set of laws that governs the universe - that's physics.
<p align="left">Logic is not a method for 'studying the world' - that's science.
<p align="left">Logic is not a set of rules that scrutinize human behavior - that's psychology.
<p align="left">Logic is not a way of evaluating 'the truth' - that's philosophy.
<p align="left">Logic is not a mode for assessing axioms - that's self-evident. <img alt="happy.gif" src="http://www.network54.com/images/happy.gif" width="14" height="14">
<p align="left">Logic is not transcendent nor immaterial - that's incoherency.
<p align="left">
Logic is simply a set of principles designed to tell us when an argument 'works'.
<p align="left">Logic shows when an argument, a piece of reasoning, supports the conclusion reached or offered.
<p align="left">In logic, it is not what is being said that matters - it is what is being shown true that does. 
<p align="left">In short, logic shows that an argument produces a true conclusion when we pour sound premises and valid inference into it. That's it.


<img alt="christmas_animated_gifs_26.gif" src="http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc31 ... ifs_26.gif">


rejected and denied by many, accepted and embraced by few : incontrovertibility
- it is not what we (think we) know that matters, it is what we can show true that does
as the maxim demands; truth is demonstrably fact and fact is demonstrably true
everything else ... mere BS -


New!! Improved!! Now With CD-Formula!!


CD: short for inevitability
Quote
Like
Share

Tim
Tim

December 8th, 2011, 9:45 pm #2

And Jesus is the Son of GOD.
And they are both logically real in my perception.

And you can't prove I'm wrong, but time will prove I'm right, as prophecy keeps unfolding.


Quote
Share

Joined: September 30th, 2009, 7:55 pm

December 9th, 2011, 3:36 pm #3

However, you also can't disprove the imaginary friends of the Hindus.

Tim said: Logic is the perception of truth according to the beholder

You always just make shit up as you go along, don't you?

Actually, logic is the formal systematic study of the principles of valid inference and correct reasoning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic

ie: It's the exact opposite of religion. That's why religion is illogical.

-----------------------------------------------
"Not one man in a thousand has the strength of mind or the goodness of heart to be an atheist." -- Samuel Taylor Coleridge
Quote
Like
Share

Joined: December 8th, 2003, 1:16 am

December 9th, 2011, 9:55 pm #4

And Jesus is the Son of GOD.
And they are both logically real in my perception.

And you can't prove I'm wrong, but time will prove I'm right, as prophecy keeps unfolding.

Logic isn't affected by perception; it's decided by agreed parameters of facts.

In other words, 2 or more people have to agree on the facts in advance, in order to determine a logical conclusion.

Example:

This is a cliff.
We are at the top of this cliff.
We are on a road at the top of the cliff.
The cliff is over 100 feet from top to bottom.
Stuff always falls DOWN and not up.
A drop of 100 feet is historically enough to kill a person.

Therefore, we can logically conclude that if someone were to drive their car over this cliff, they would most likely kill themselves ... even though we have not YET seen anyone drive over this cliff.

Perception doesn't enter into logic; the facts must be agreed upon in advance.

-Vince
Quote
Like
Share

Joined: March 8th, 2007, 6:53 am

December 9th, 2011, 11:33 pm #5

5th century ...the parimeters which people had to view the world made them conclude it was flat.

and this was not some ignorant conclusion, but one embraced by the so called scientific minds of the age.

this very premise prophibited shipping to exceed a certain length in fear they would fall off the earth.

and this was not JUSt a europian belief....even in ancient eqypt and mesopotamia, india and even china held to the earth being a flat disc....based on what...perception...which therefore made it completely logical to conclude a flat earth...as well as some of the poetic language of hebrew(bible)

it was completely logical at that time to claim the world was flar and your contention goes out the door.
Quote
Like
Share

Joined: December 8th, 2003, 1:16 am

December 10th, 2011, 12:43 am #6

and that was born out later by logical reasoning of the evidential facts.

Little "signs" indicated that their belief wasn't "quite" correct and it was these little things and deeper investigation of these little things that led to the discovery -(logically reasoned only, mind you) ... that the earth COULDN'T be flat. It HAD to be round in order to satisfy the little evidential indicators.

They couldn't PROVE later on, that the earth was a sphere; they only reasoned that it had to be, from all the physical indicators.

Today, of course ... we've proved that it's a sphere ... by putting stuff into orbit.

-Vince
Quote
Like
Share

Tim
Tim

December 10th, 2011, 1:07 am #7

No, their belief WASN'T logical and that was born out later by logical reasoning of the evidential facts.
--------------------------------

What you call FACTS are only LOGICAL theories Vince.

Our FACTS change all the time because our LOGICAL theories were in error.
That's called the evolution of science.

Until we understand the quantum physics of everything we won't know much of anything except our LOGICAL perception of it. And that's if quantum physics is accurate.


Quote
Share

Joined: March 8th, 2007, 6:53 am

December 10th, 2011, 4:53 am #8

and that was born out later by logical reasoning of the evidential facts.

Little "signs" indicated that their belief wasn't "quite" correct and it was these little things and deeper investigation of these little things that led to the discovery -(logically reasoned only, mind you) ... that the earth COULDN'T be flat. It HAD to be round in order to satisfy the little evidential indicators.

They couldn't PROVE later on, that the earth was a sphere; they only reasoned that it had to be, from all the physical indicators.

Today, of course ... we've proved that it's a sphere ... by putting stuff into orbit.

-Vince
on how people came to understand the earth was a sphere....

you claim then, if in the time prior to columbus....that it was not logical to say the earth was flat and logical to say it was round.

is that what you are saying? simple question.
Quote
Like
Share

Joined: March 8th, 2007, 6:53 am

December 10th, 2011, 4:55 am #9

No, their belief WASN'T logical and that was born out later by logical reasoning of the evidential facts.
--------------------------------

What you call FACTS are only LOGICAL theories Vince.

Our FACTS change all the time because our LOGICAL theories were in error.
That's called the evolution of science.

Until we understand the quantum physics of everything we won't know much of anything except our LOGICAL perception of it. And that's if quantum physics is accurate.

vince wants to make his 'perception' of what logic is....logical...(grin)
Quote
Like
Share

Tim
Tim

December 10th, 2011, 6:39 am #10

vince wants to make his 'perception' of what logic is....logical...(grin)
------------------------------------------------

I don't know how long you've known Vince Gerard, but he was a believer in the Babylonian way. But now he has been overcome by the New Age self god mindset.

He reads the Bible as a novel he thinks what written by goat herders.
The box he lives in gets smaller all the time, and he needs your help Gerard.

I was never Catholic or Babylonian, just trinitaian, and I don't know how to help him.

The only way I know to help is to BUT HEADS, and that doesn't always work.

If you can bring HOME Vince to GOD our Father in Jesus I will kiss your feet.

Bro Tim

Quote
Share