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Tim
Tim

October 6th, 2011, 8:35 am #1

is our only hope.

Bro Tim

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Iceman
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October 6th, 2011, 3:07 pm #2

Hope for WHAT?

Maybe a Happy Meal!
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y

October 6th, 2011, 3:18 pm #3

is our only hope.

Bro Tim
Jesus is not a person...............he is not historical, but the same yesterday, TODAY and forever, because he IS THE "MAN" God is making out of HIMSELF and the woman who brings him forth which is Israel:


Israel is the heart of the world, that needs to be MADE NEW, hence the heart is wicked above all things:

the mind of the world are called the nations, because they all have "different ideas" about TRUTH, which can not be different............ideas....


truth has to be ONE force or it is not TRUTH, but different IDEAS of truth



science will one day FULL DISCOVER the truth and in this will discover the TRUE MEANING OF JESUS


since he is the TRUTH


those of us who "know" Jesus and not just "know about" him, understand JESUS is MAN and not a person


all who are baptized INTO HIS NAME become Gods HEART, his WORD expressed in the world


its that simple.......

and that impossible to understand, till you become ONE with that heart:
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Iceman
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October 6th, 2011, 8:18 pm #4

The Liver is just as important as the heart. So are the kidneys, spleen and pancreas.

My neighbor has a gardner by the name of Jesus. "He's the MAN" Boy can he make things grow.

Isreal is a nation of hateful bigots. The only nation on earth Isreal can get along with is the USA and that's because they have a great political lobby.

Now that makes sense!
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Tim
Tim

October 7th, 2011, 3:05 am #5

Jesus is not a person...............he is not historical, but the same yesterday, TODAY and forever, because he IS THE "MAN" God is making out of HIMSELF and the woman who brings him forth which is Israel:


Israel is the heart of the world, that needs to be MADE NEW, hence the heart is wicked above all things:

the mind of the world are called the nations, because they all have "different ideas" about TRUTH, which can not be different............ideas....


truth has to be ONE force or it is not TRUTH, but different IDEAS of truth



science will one day FULL DISCOVER the truth and in this will discover the TRUE MEANING OF JESUS


since he is the TRUTH


those of us who "know" Jesus and not just "know about" him, understand JESUS is MAN and not a person


all who are baptized INTO HIS NAME become Gods HEART, his WORD expressed in the world


its that simple.......

and that impossible to understand, till you become ONE with that heart:
just like your mom or your dad are real beings.
Jesus is our future step brother.
But today Jesus is our Redeemer.

Jesus is the created Son of God.
Who was born in the mortal flesh as man.
Yet existed before the world was.
Jesus was known as being God in the OT.
Jesus was revealed as being the Son of God in the NT.
Jesus will return as King of human kings, and Lord of human lords.

Write a rebuttal against this if you desire.


Bro Tim
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Iceman
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October 7th, 2011, 2:48 pm #6

It's your claim. Prove it.
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October 7th, 2011, 2:53 pm #7

just like your mom or your dad are real beings.
Jesus is our future step brother.
But today Jesus is our Redeemer.

Jesus is the created Son of God.
Who was born in the mortal flesh as man.
Yet existed before the world was.
Jesus was known as being God in the OT.
Jesus was revealed as being the Son of God in the NT.
Jesus will return as King of human kings, and Lord of human lords.

Write a rebuttal against this if you desire.


Bro Tim
he is MAN, which is not a person.............Man is the image and likeness of the LORD God:


Man is the INNER quality of creation, hence a NEW MAN and a NEW CREATION

THE LAST MAN is a life giving SPIRIT that is FORMED within us by the "ONLY BEGOTTEN SON" (begotten is BORN, every seed after its own "kind"

he comes OUT from the FATHER who is Spirit

he is not created ...............but the creation is created...........hence a NEW CREATION

God recreates us, through the NEW MAN within us........


this NEW MAN is the INNER MAN OF THE HEART.............its all written down


this man is FORMED by the Spirit within him, by CHRIST within him......hence Man is both God and that which ie FORMS ................through the woman (the heart that brings him forth)


Jesus is the 'seed of the woman'


the carnal mind is the seed of the serpent, and that is the mind that SEES PERSONS......


God is NO respector of persons:
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y

October 7th, 2011, 4:10 pm #8

true understanding of the devil
October 7 2011 at 11:09 AM y (no login)


Response to The Devil gets

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the devil was created by God, it says so: He was the most subtil living part that was created by God:

it is written, I created evil and I FORM the LIGHT


evil is created as a temporary opposite to the LIGHT so the LIGHT can be "FORMED" by this opposite quality to it, hence "FORM MAN":

evil or devil is the inversion or DESIRE FOR..........the light...........the emptiness that must choose the light or MAN is not a 'free will' agent:

Man then is threefold, the serpent is his "discerner between evil and good" or the devil


the mind and heart or reason and emotion:


the discerner of good and evil didn't really DISCERN them or he would not have been evil.........hence he was a liar from the beginning because he didn't KNOW them apart


so he enticed the heart (Eve) to engage him in finding out.......


and the heart enticed reason to go with it.....and the fall happened


reason left paradise and became EGO (for self rather than for other)


the heart became wicked above all things since she did not cleave to her husband/reason but to the "serpent" the discerner that could NOT really discern


when the woman (heart) brings forth Christ.........she is saved in child bearing:

Mark 4 explains the heart has four levels.........and three of them do not let the 'SEED' (Christ) take root

only the fourth level, the DEEP and GOOD ground allows the seed (CHRIST) to grow into the FULL MAN (30, 60, 100 fold return):


this NEW MAN is JESUS, the LAST ADAM

every heart has to find this place deep within


and here the evil is revealed as well as the GOOD WILL (Jesus Christ within the heart) the INNER MAN of the heart:


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October 7th, 2011, 4:32 pm #9

the transformation begins with the "mind" that tries to understand spiritual things but they are not understood by the mind, since the mind follows the heart (emotions) instead of leading them:

even when the mind leads, it leads to satisfy the heart somehow and the heart is simply never satisfied: Ask any man how he feels about the woman in his life and he will probably admit this is true:


the heart is a lonely hunter in that the woman is not a team player for the most part, but wants to build her own nest and have her own family, so she pushes the mind to perform for her, hence egos have been growing for 6000 years since we see the beginning of civilization ........not just hunting and gathering, but the "Kingdoms of this world":


the serpent (discerner between evil and good) got the heart involved and she has never returned to the 'reason' of her husband because he can't seem to find the right answer for her fulfillment: Her inner sixth sense is not her husband anymore than the five carnal senses of her nature:


it is the woman (and here we are not talking about males or females sexually, physically) but the HEART OF MANKIND........that is never satisfied and the mind or reason of man can never find a way to END her suffering, but still, she clings to the WRONG DISCERNMENT within her, the sixth sense she calls her INTUITION:

womens intuition may be strong, but it isn't necessarily based on the truth:


when the heart finally comes to the place that she can't bear her sorrow, her travail, she is ready to bring forth NEW LIFE.........and this is her salvation:


this is CHRIST IN HER, the LIGHT that is the LIFE of MAN............she is getting ready to be rejoined to her TRUE HUSBAND whom she forgot since the garden/Paradise who no longer is the GLUE to hold reason and desire together the right way..........by discerning the TRUTH that binds all live


this is why the MESSIAH is also called the serpent, because she must give birth to the NEW LIFE who overcomes the old discernment and he takes her old man to the cross to JOIN him to the CHRIST to make a new man out of these two (one is the truth and the old man is corrupted reason):



all three parts are involved in the regeneration: THE corrupted reasoning, the corrupted desire and the corrupted discernment of evil and good, the serpent:


Jesus Christ lifts up the serpent and the old man and these are JOINED to him to make a "NEW MAN" that begins as a child (the head of the serpent is beheaded), the new discernment knows how to CHOOSE THE GOOD and REFUSE the evil:


this teaches the woman,the heart how to REJOICE, to feel fullfilled because now she DOES KNOW.......the difference and she really did want to know the difference.........but the subtil serpent didn't have that information ......which comes by OBEDIENCE to the truth........


this renews the heart which is able to renew the "mind" to make a new creation, based on this NEW and GOOD WILL born through her:

now her reason can CLEAVE TO HER and the two can become ONE FLESH.........
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Tim
Tim

October 8th, 2011, 3:19 am #10

Your talking to a friend of Jesus, Yvonne.
Jesus and I are friends

And you are my friend, Sister, who I'm trying to help.

Ya know, people get all kinds of infatuations.

But your preaching to a friend of Jesus. Not a servant, but a friend.

I love you Yvonne. And so does Bro Jesus, whom you classify as non existent.

I know it sounds BOLD to say I am His friend. But its true. Sorry if I miss lead you.

Bro Tim


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