Is atheism a religion?

Is atheism a religion?

Joined: May 4th, 2005, 1:31 pm

September 15th, 2010, 2:37 am #1

I see this assertion made by some folks that I have to admit, I consider to be of limited intelligence, whether self limiting or limiting is beyond my ability to discern.

But atheism, as a religion. Now, I'm not an atheist, so this really isn't a defense. I'm more of a deist, which I don't think of as a religion either. Religion is belief system. There is no system to deism, less so to atheism.

Without theism, atheism would cease having a meaning. So how can it be a religion? I can see it from the point of view as rights. You have a right to "be" an atheist. Which means what? Well, not belonging to any church or religion, not believing in a god or creator. That's about it. A very diverse bunch they are.

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Joined: January 13th, 2010, 2:50 pm

September 15th, 2010, 3:04 am #2

The US courts have ruled it a religion for First Amendment purposes. But that is a very specific legal definition of atheism in terms of legal rights for individuals.

In terms of "belief systems about God", it's kind of a grey-area. As you say, as soon as theism is defined, atheism is defined. Because as soon as a concept is created so is its opposite - the P vs. !P proposition. So in a sense, if you consider a "religion" to be a "belief system about God" it can be argued that atheism would be a religion, in a purely academic sense.

In a practical sense, the term "religion" embodies an institutionalized belief-system around God, or the concept of one. Methodist is a religion, and so is Christianity. Shiite-ism (forgive my lack of knowing the correct term) is a religion, and so is Islam. Hasidism is a religion, and so is Judaism. etc. In this sense, atheism is specifically not a religion because it is not any of these.

Why the "stupid people" won't give pause to clarify terminology and definitions before posing their arguments is a testimony of how stupid and stubborn they really are.

This is my understanding and/or my perspective anyway... ymmv.
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JVH
Joined: July 20th, 2009, 1:33 pm

September 15th, 2010, 4:52 am #3

I see this assertion made by some folks that I have to admit, I consider to be of limited intelligence, whether self limiting or limiting is beyond my ability to discern.

But atheism, as a religion. Now, I'm not an atheist, so this really isn't a defense. I'm more of a deist, which I don't think of as a religion either. Religion is belief system. There is no system to deism, less so to atheism.

Without theism, atheism would cease having a meaning. So how can it be a religion? I can see it from the point of view as rights. You have a right to "be" an atheist. Which means what? Well, not belonging to any church or religion, not believing in a god or creator. That's about it. A very diverse bunch they are.
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When we compare the respective definitions, we will find they do not match.

</a><a href="http://www.onelook.com/?w=religion&ls=b" rel="nofollow">Religion therefore, does not equal </a><a href="http://www.onelook.com/?w=atheism&ls=b" rel="nofollow">atheism or vice versa.

 
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(and since the deity of choice appears of the same nature, the one seems to, necessarily, infer the other).


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Creationist: 1) one who follows creationism. 2) oblivious to reasoning and logic also known as common sense. 3) incapable of doing math.
4) a true believer. 5) gullible to the extreme. 6) can't add 7) convinced of its righteousness. 8) can't subtract. 9) devoid of introspection.

<p align="left">- fallacious, abductive, inductive, deductive
are the basic modes of reasoning -- when we
fail to discern between them, we are destined
to act accordingly ......


<p align="center">... after all, logic demands explicit contains implicit
so, iff what is explicitly posed is true, then what it
necessarily infers or implies must logically be true
as well - if not, then it is incontrovertibly axiomatic
there is something amiss with the explicitly posed ...


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& self-refutation; those oblivious of it are indispensably
the experts in applying it, in effect, revealing the exact
opposite of apparent intent thereby granting the courtesy
of instant clarification.

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<p align="left">Ardent believers turn out to be quite useful creatures
because they seem to be some sort of omniscient.
You can therefore always depend on them to tell you
exactly what your thoughts and feelings are
and what your opinions and conduct should be.

Handy.


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September 15th, 2010, 8:59 am #4

I see this assertion made by some folks that I have to admit, I consider to be of limited intelligence, whether self limiting or limiting is beyond my ability to discern.

But atheism, as a religion. Now, I'm not an atheist, so this really isn't a defense. I'm more of a deist, which I don't think of as a religion either. Religion is belief system. There is no system to deism, less so to atheism.

Without theism, atheism would cease having a meaning. So how can it be a religion? I can see it from the point of view as rights. You have a right to "be" an atheist. Which means what? Well, not belonging to any church or religion, not believing in a god or creator. That's about it. A very diverse bunch they are.
But do atheists embrace particular idealisms (like evolution theory or eugenics or political positions or global warming or ecology etc.)

I'd argue that they can get just as "religious" about the stuff they think is vitally important ... as religious people. A cause becomes their "god."

Not all atheists are that way, of course and not all religious people become zealots either.

-Vince
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September 15th, 2010, 9:52 am #5

All of these isms are reflections of an understanding of a stage in Mind development. Sooner or later we travel beyond them.
However, unlike others, Atheism does not lay claim to a particular superstitious view as being undeniable 'right' without supporting evidence.

It is entirely possible that some kind of Great Spirit has always existed, but is far beyond the ken of those 'god's people' looking for a truth in old writings.
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September 15th, 2010, 8:54 pm #6

I see this assertion made by some folks that I have to admit, I consider to be of limited intelligence, whether self limiting or limiting is beyond my ability to discern.

But atheism, as a religion. Now, I'm not an atheist, so this really isn't a defense. I'm more of a deist, which I don't think of as a religion either. Religion is belief system. There is no system to deism, less so to atheism.

Without theism, atheism would cease having a meaning. So how can it be a religion? I can see it from the point of view as rights. You have a right to "be" an atheist. Which means what? Well, not belonging to any church or religion, not believing in a god or creator. That's about it. A very diverse bunch they are.
that has been proclaimed a religion for first amendment purposes... as Noob explained.

But a religion is, to me, a belief system that makes distinctions between sacred and non-sacred objects. It's a group of people that tries to recruit others to their ranks. And lastly it's a group of people that believe in a supernatural deity or deities.

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September 15th, 2010, 8:55 pm #7

But do atheists embrace particular idealisms (like evolution theory or eugenics or political positions or global warming or ecology etc.)

I'd argue that they can get just as "religious" about the stuff they think is vitally important ... as religious people. A cause becomes their "god."

Not all atheists are that way, of course and not all religious people become zealots either.

-Vince
Just sayin'
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September 20th, 2010, 6:38 pm #8

I see this assertion made by some folks that I have to admit, I consider to be of limited intelligence, whether self limiting or limiting is beyond my ability to discern.

But atheism, as a religion. Now, I'm not an atheist, so this really isn't a defense. I'm more of a deist, which I don't think of as a religion either. Religion is belief system. There is no system to deism, less so to atheism.

Without theism, atheism would cease having a meaning. So how can it be a religion? I can see it from the point of view as rights. You have a right to "be" an atheist. Which means what? Well, not belonging to any church or religion, not believing in a god or creator. That's about it. A very diverse bunch they are.
As I see it, believers of most (all?) belief systems pin the label "Atheist" on anybody who does NOT believe whatever they believe.
..... Actually those called "Atheists" by clergy and others may in fact have 2-way communications with God and/or other spirits, and therefore are in fact more theistic than those critics.
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JVH
Joined: July 20th, 2009, 1:33 pm

September 21st, 2010, 10:03 am #9

All of us are atheists, because all of us can think of a god we do not believe in.
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JVH
Joined: July 20th, 2009, 1:33 pm

September 21st, 2010, 10:05 am #10

Just sayin'
Just sayin'
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