Are Christian Apologetics Getting Better and Better?

Are Christian Apologetics Getting Better and Better?

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March 31st, 2011, 3:47 pm #1

Are Christian Apologetics Getting Better and Better?
By John W. Loftus at 3/30/2011

That's what I heard William Lane Craig say (although I can't remember where). I think the truth lies elsewhere. Christian apologists have been forced into gerrymandering around the evidence against their faith, that's what has happened. And yes, they do this very well. So it sounds like they're getting better only to the deluded. Take for instance the scientific mysteries of today, like the puzzle of quantum mechanics, the physics of black holes, the possibility of wormholes, the possibility of life on another planet, of the multiverse theory, and so on. I think it's just that science has created a greater number of new mysteries that they are in the process of solving, for one thing. Back a thousand years they had mysteries to solve too, but they pale in comparison to the number of gigantic mysteries today. And faith always finds a foothold in mystery. The point is that it was science, not faith, that solved the mysteries of the past, and it's science, not faith, that has opened up the number of new and greater mysteries today. What do you think?
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March 31st, 2011, 4:05 pm #2


 

If Christian apologists could reason (proper), there wouldn't be any Christian apologists left.
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-it is not what we (think we) know that matters, it is what we can show true that does
after all, truth is demonstrably fact and fact is demonstrably true - everything else ... mere conjecture-


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April 1st, 2011, 1:55 am #3

Are Christian Apologetics Getting Better and Better?
By John W. Loftus at 3/30/2011

That's what I heard William Lane Craig say (although I can't remember where). I think the truth lies elsewhere. Christian apologists have been forced into gerrymandering around the evidence against their faith, that's what has happened. And yes, they do this very well. So it sounds like they're getting better only to the deluded. Take for instance the scientific mysteries of today, like the puzzle of quantum mechanics, the physics of black holes, the possibility of wormholes, the possibility of life on another planet, of the multiverse theory, and so on. I think it's just that science has created a greater number of new mysteries that they are in the process of solving, for one thing. Back a thousand years they had mysteries to solve too, but they pale in comparison to the number of gigantic mysteries today. And faith always finds a foothold in mystery. The point is that it was science, not faith, that solved the mysteries of the past, and it's science, not faith, that has opened up the number of new and greater mysteries today. What do you think?
I think that the arguments and hypothesis posed by atheists, and ardent believers in science, are in general getting weaker. Kind of like "peeling an onion of infinite layers" - unraveling the complexities of a given layer is an accomplishment and, all well and good, but in the end it's rather futile because it simply exposes the next layer of complexity to tackle.

It is sad that "religious apologists" tend to consider that an argument, or advancement, of their cause... Which it is not, but "religious apologists" aren't really renown for possessing the most rational and sound logic & reasoning processes.

My thoughts on the question, anyway... ymmv.
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April 1st, 2011, 2:14 am #4

I think the whole idea of apologetics is wrong headed. God cannot be "proven". I have noted a new tactic amongst some apologetics, of shifting the burden. Making atheism into a belief, and asking for proof.

I'm not an atheist, but not a theist either. I guess that makes me an agnostic. Must I prove my doubt? Hmmm.

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April 1st, 2011, 2:36 am #5

do something....i wouldn't go as far as to make it some grand new tactic.....

let's be realistic here.....stupid is as stupid does....and that IS what they are....therefore....do.

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April 1st, 2011, 3:08 am #6

But I don't think either are creative enough to have thought it up all by themselves.

Maybe Timothy or Follower of Christ though -- came up with the idea at the BBQ.
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April 1st, 2011, 4:29 am #7

Maybe Timothy or Follower of Christ though -- came up with the idea at the BBQ
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I don't even know what Christian Apologetics is.

It apparently has something to do with;
But sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence," (1 Peter 3:15).

I don't think its a legitimate label. Like why the word Apologetics? I'm not apologetic for my beliefs, I do not apologize for believing in Jesus as the Begotten Son of God Almighty. I will never apologize for that unless God Himself tells me to with anger towards that belief. Better to die then deny, not because of any persons or groups of people. The label "Christian Apologetics" sound shameful, like a Christian is to apologize for their belief?

I wish I could show you all the Truth, not just by typing words, but with real visions in your mind, but that's God's job.

Bro Tim
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April 1st, 2011, 6:50 am #8

I think the whole idea of apologetics is wrong headed. God cannot be "proven". I have noted a new tactic amongst some apologetics, of shifting the burden. Making atheism into a belief, and asking for proof.

I'm not an atheist, but not a theist either. I guess that makes me an agnostic. Must I prove my doubt? Hmmm.
..... and belief, as even the greatest of theologians admit.

Religionists have this one huge, insurmountable problem: they cannot produce their fetish. That is why religious reasoning will always end up circular; fallacious, inductive at best: religionists cannot show their main premise sound, and trying to redefine definitions into something hitherto unknown to anyone other than themselves renders it fictitious, by definition.
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-it is not what we (think we) know that matters, it is what we can show true that does
after all, truth is demonstrably fact and fact is demonstrably true - everything else ... mere conjecture-


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April 1st, 2011, 7:07 am #9

But I don't think either are creative enough to have thought it up all by themselves.

Maybe Timothy or Follower of Christ though -- came up with the idea at the BBQ.
haha....touche....good one haha
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April 1st, 2011, 7:10 am #10

But I don't think either are creative enough to have thought it up all by themselves.

Maybe Timothy or Follower of Christ though -- came up with the idea at the BBQ.
 

...... some creationists seem creative enough where creationism is concerned.
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-it is not what we (think we) know that matters, it is what we can show true that does
after all, truth is demonstrably fact and fact is demonstrably true - everything else ... mere conjecture-


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