Why do YOU think modern cards suck?

Why do YOU think modern cards suck?

Joined: November 12th, 2005, 8:01 pm

February 20th, 2007, 5:18 am #1

I think modern cards suck for the following reasons:

1) Remember when card companies started producing short-prints? I thought it was a great idea not to mass-produce cards, especially rookies. I remember when UD had their SP Authentic cards starting around 1998 - they had so many great rookie cards that were hard to get and demand was very high. Now how many damn SP sets does UD have? There must be over 500 different Lebron James rookie cards. Around after 2003, card companies have gone crazy with SP cards.

2) Crappy game jersey cards. Again, just like above around the late 90s game jersey cards were new and nearly impossible to find. Now we have a billion of them , and they aren't worth sh*t. So what do card companies do? That's right, DESTROY MORE stuff! Now we have game-used sticks, gloves, skates etc. Expect to see a game-worn jockstrap card soon!
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Joined: February 5th, 2007, 7:20 am

February 20th, 2007, 5:55 am #2

They suck because the market is flooded with them. If you have a 1 of 1 from one set, chances are that there are other 1 of 1's from other sets from that year of the same player. The cards today are made so well that they are grading gem mint and pristine in record numbers. I think the only good thing is the autographed card. Jersey cards and stick cards are pretty lame but people want them. I cannot explain why people are into modern cards like they are, but those who know and study the history of the sport are usually drawn to vintage. I think that these modern cards will be as close to worthless in 15-20 years while vintage will go up consistantly. The big stars of today will retain some value, but when you have 20 rookie cards of one player then you will realize that your investment was a bad one.
I don't feel sorry for people making these terrible investments into modern cards because vintage cards from ALL sports are and always will be more desirable and valuable. Too bad not everyone understands that. If you collect modern cards because that is your preference, so be it, but if you collect modern cards as an investment, you will have a rude awakening years from now. Just my 2 cents.
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Joined: April 27th, 2004, 7:05 pm

February 20th, 2007, 12:03 pm #3

I think modern cards suck for the following reasons:

1) Remember when card companies started producing short-prints? I thought it was a great idea not to mass-produce cards, especially rookies. I remember when UD had their SP Authentic cards starting around 1998 - they had so many great rookie cards that were hard to get and demand was very high. Now how many damn SP sets does UD have? There must be over 500 different Lebron James rookie cards. Around after 2003, card companies have gone crazy with SP cards.

2) Crappy game jersey cards. Again, just like above around the late 90s game jersey cards were new and nearly impossible to find. Now we have a billion of them , and they aren't worth sh*t. So what do card companies do? That's right, DESTROY MORE stuff! Now we have game-used sticks, gloves, skates etc. Expect to see a game-worn jockstrap card soon!
Crosby and Ovechkin have 18 rookie cards each. I think the total cost of all Crosby rookies is somewhere around $12,000.

The only thing I do not really like about modern cards is that there are so few sets without any short prints. I like completing a set each year but the only collector sets left are Upper Deck MVP or Upper Deck Victory. Every other set has something like 90 cards and than another 90 short printed cards.
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Joined: November 21st, 2006, 3:43 pm

February 20th, 2007, 1:02 pm #4

I think modern cards suck for the following reasons:

1) Remember when card companies started producing short-prints? I thought it was a great idea not to mass-produce cards, especially rookies. I remember when UD had their SP Authentic cards starting around 1998 - they had so many great rookie cards that were hard to get and demand was very high. Now how many damn SP sets does UD have? There must be over 500 different Lebron James rookie cards. Around after 2003, card companies have gone crazy with SP cards.

2) Crappy game jersey cards. Again, just like above around the late 90s game jersey cards were new and nearly impossible to find. Now we have a billion of them , and they aren't worth sh*t. So what do card companies do? That's right, DESTROY MORE stuff! Now we have game-used sticks, gloves, skates etc. Expect to see a game-worn jockstrap card soon!
I'm not sure that I would paint with such a broad brush. I would agree that there is a lot of crap out there but I don't think you can say that ALL modern cards suck. I mean, all of this vintage stuff was modern at one time (brilliant observation I know). I became disullisioned when one company was given a monopoly to produce NHL licensed cards; unfortunately it was a company with absolutely horrendous quality control and customer service and, maybe most importantly, one for which hockey was obviously not a priority in terms of their bottom line. So the reason I don't collect modern anymore is in large part because of where the supply is coming from. But a few years back there were a lot of players and hence more choice and I enjoyed collecting some of the new stuff, memorabilia cards included. The game-used stuff was more interesting when it was in limited supply but for some reason which I never really understood it has become the standard now - you can't have a RC of a modern player that doesn't have a swatch, it is the expectation now.

But for me it's always been about aesthetics, if it is a card that is visually appealing and something that fits with my collecting focus (and is not an UD product), I don't mind owning it; I just don't have much of a modern focus now. The exception for me is my P. Bergeron RC collection - luckily he was a rookie before the monopoly so there are several non-UD RCs for me to chase. And I'm not so sure that you can say that these cards won't appreciate, why not ? If Patrice becomes a HOFer, 6-time Stanley Cup champion (indulge me), are you telling me that his "best" RCs won't be worth big $$$ in 40 or 50 years ? That's not the primary reason I bought them and I would agree that you are taking your chances with "investing" in modern cards but I think that if you focus on limited print runs that there is a good chance that you will see a return.
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Joined: March 31st, 2006, 2:33 am

February 20th, 2007, 2:37 pm #5

I think modern cards suck for the following reasons:

1) Remember when card companies started producing short-prints? I thought it was a great idea not to mass-produce cards, especially rookies. I remember when UD had their SP Authentic cards starting around 1998 - they had so many great rookie cards that were hard to get and demand was very high. Now how many damn SP sets does UD have? There must be over 500 different Lebron James rookie cards. Around after 2003, card companies have gone crazy with SP cards.

2) Crappy game jersey cards. Again, just like above around the late 90s game jersey cards were new and nearly impossible to find. Now we have a billion of them , and they aren't worth sh*t. So what do card companies do? That's right, DESTROY MORE stuff! Now we have game-used sticks, gloves, skates etc. Expect to see a game-worn jockstrap card soon!
Too many issues and too many SP/limited/insert/gimicky stuff.
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Joined: January 17th, 2007, 8:33 pm

February 20th, 2007, 3:06 pm #6

I think modern cards suck for the following reasons:

1) Remember when card companies started producing short-prints? I thought it was a great idea not to mass-produce cards, especially rookies. I remember when UD had their SP Authentic cards starting around 1998 - they had so many great rookie cards that were hard to get and demand was very high. Now how many damn SP sets does UD have? There must be over 500 different Lebron James rookie cards. Around after 2003, card companies have gone crazy with SP cards.

2) Crappy game jersey cards. Again, just like above around the late 90s game jersey cards were new and nearly impossible to find. Now we have a billion of them , and they aren't worth sh*t. So what do card companies do? That's right, DESTROY MORE stuff! Now we have game-used sticks, gloves, skates etc. Expect to see a game-worn jockstrap card soon!
anytime company's man make rarity like short prints/jersey/parallels/numbered cards etc....etc... it sucks!!! in the good old vintage days it was all about simplicity. cards with gum and a wax wrapper or a card with your pack of cigarettes. all the kids/adults are missing out on this today, also give me a break on those $100 man made short printed rare packs. the only thing i still like about todays modern stuff is the autographed cards you can pull. i personally like to collect these auto's as i feel good knowing they will be authentic forever and down the road if i want to resell them,others feel comfertable buying them as they know they are authentic. ever try selling an 8x10 signed that you got in person-the first ? i always get is---are you shure that is a real auto. it seems like you have to psa/dna to sell them,which costs more money. signed donald.
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Joined: February 19th, 2007, 3:32 am

February 20th, 2007, 4:15 pm #7

I think modern cards suck for the following reasons:

1) Remember when card companies started producing short-prints? I thought it was a great idea not to mass-produce cards, especially rookies. I remember when UD had their SP Authentic cards starting around 1998 - they had so many great rookie cards that were hard to get and demand was very high. Now how many damn SP sets does UD have? There must be over 500 different Lebron James rookie cards. Around after 2003, card companies have gone crazy with SP cards.

2) Crappy game jersey cards. Again, just like above around the late 90s game jersey cards were new and nearly impossible to find. Now we have a billion of them , and they aren't worth sh*t. So what do card companies do? That's right, DESTROY MORE stuff! Now we have game-used sticks, gloves, skates etc. Expect to see a game-worn jockstrap card soon!
James your point about destroying stuff for those patch cards and game used stick and glove cards is what gets me. I thinks its disgusting to see all those amazing pieces of memorbilia being chopped up to put on a card. The perfect example of this type travesty is the George Vezina pad card that was in one of those sets. Chopping up a pair of his pads that date back to the early days of hockey history and are such a rarity is just not right.
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Joined: June 26th, 2006, 8:21 pm

February 20th, 2007, 5:07 pm #8

I think modern cards suck for the following reasons:

1) Remember when card companies started producing short-prints? I thought it was a great idea not to mass-produce cards, especially rookies. I remember when UD had their SP Authentic cards starting around 1998 - they had so many great rookie cards that were hard to get and demand was very high. Now how many damn SP sets does UD have? There must be over 500 different Lebron James rookie cards. Around after 2003, card companies have gone crazy with SP cards.

2) Crappy game jersey cards. Again, just like above around the late 90s game jersey cards were new and nearly impossible to find. Now we have a billion of them , and they aren't worth sh*t. So what do card companies do? That's right, DESTROY MORE stuff! Now we have game-used sticks, gloves, skates etc. Expect to see a game-worn jockstrap card soon!
Because they are modern, of course. Old cardboard rules!!!
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Joined: December 29th, 2006, 11:56 pm

February 20th, 2007, 5:27 pm #9

I think modern cards suck for the following reasons:

1) Remember when card companies started producing short-prints? I thought it was a great idea not to mass-produce cards, especially rookies. I remember when UD had their SP Authentic cards starting around 1998 - they had so many great rookie cards that were hard to get and demand was very high. Now how many damn SP sets does UD have? There must be over 500 different Lebron James rookie cards. Around after 2003, card companies have gone crazy with SP cards.

2) Crappy game jersey cards. Again, just like above around the late 90s game jersey cards were new and nearly impossible to find. Now we have a billion of them , and they aren't worth sh*t. So what do card companies do? That's right, DESTROY MORE stuff! Now we have game-used sticks, gloves, skates etc. Expect to see a game-worn jockstrap card soon!
Modern cards stink as they have WAY too many brands! I like the good old days of wax-packs with gum. I think it would be great if Upper Deck started to put gum in their packs! It would also be great if they stopped all the SP crap and went back to bascis.

I also don't understand how a Crosby RC can be worth $12,000.00! He has only played for 2 years - come on give me a break! How can his rookie be worth more than a Gordie Howe or a Maurice Richard!! I don't understand people that will pay that much for a "new" player - but when it comes time to buy a Richard people frek out that $1500.00 is too much.

Paul
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Joined: November 21st, 2006, 3:43 pm

February 20th, 2007, 5:49 pm #10

I think modern cards suck for the following reasons:

1) Remember when card companies started producing short-prints? I thought it was a great idea not to mass-produce cards, especially rookies. I remember when UD had their SP Authentic cards starting around 1998 - they had so many great rookie cards that were hard to get and demand was very high. Now how many damn SP sets does UD have? There must be over 500 different Lebron James rookie cards. Around after 2003, card companies have gone crazy with SP cards.

2) Crappy game jersey cards. Again, just like above around the late 90s game jersey cards were new and nearly impossible to find. Now we have a billion of them , and they aren't worth sh*t. So what do card companies do? That's right, DESTROY MORE stuff! Now we have game-used sticks, gloves, skates etc. Expect to see a game-worn jockstrap card soon!
The Crosby is worth $12,000 because that's what people are willing to pay for it. Just like some people are willing to pay 100K for a Vezina RC. The reason people are willing to pay that much for those cards is the same - to own a rare card of a famous / HOF player (true there is a certain amount of risk inherent in assuming this for Crosby but when Wayne comes out and says that he is going to break his records then you could say it is fairly mitigated). Think about the early 90s and collecting (yecchhh); Jagr, Modano, Fedorov - these guys RCs will never be worth anything, even 100 years from now, just too much product produced. Limiting print runs was IMO a brilliant business decision, you know have rare cards of current players, instant value and enticing products.

There's clearly a line that runs through the hobby, love of / passion for the game on one side; economics/gambling/chest thumping on the other. I think it's a mistake to say the the former equates to vintage and the latter to modern collecting; it's obviously not true and smacks of snobbery. You can still collect modern cards and have a passion for the game and the players you collect; you can still collect vintage with $$$ as your primary motivator. The one good thing about the deluge of modern products is that it allows one to pursue either path.
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