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Joined: June 17th, 2006, 1:33 am

June 18th, 2012, 4:02 am #1

I cant remember the names of all those techs that will never work in the streets. I ask because I was watching some cat try and explain why the ideal for lone kimono would never work in a real situation. Of course he was pretty much asking his uke to make him do destructive twins, so go figure. Then I remembered someone way back saying that DT was impractical, would never work, blah blah blah. You sensing a pattern? I am.

Blinding sacrifice, there's a good one. No one wants use their imagination anymore.

Sigh....

CT

but that's just my opinion I could be wrong.
Dennis Miller
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Joined: January 19th, 2004, 2:11 am

June 18th, 2012, 9:49 am #2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDFzSG8RDpY


Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

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Joined: July 27th, 2004, 1:35 am

June 18th, 2012, 1:22 pm #3

What I find funny is that the person who originally stated that Lone Kimono was dysfuntional and wouldn't work blah, blah, blah. When I pointed out that LK was one of the few techniques that could be traced directly to Prof. Chow (who by all accounts was completely functional in his fighting) and was his response when someone grabbed onto him and broke his arm. It wasn't addressed except that, only a fool would have grabbed Prof. Chow, and that no one else would grab someone like this unless they didn't know what they were doing, so the technique was still invalid.

Kind of some weird circular logic.

As Clyde pointed out, what LK is designed for works. When you start changing the variables of the attack and then say it doesn't work doesn't make sense.
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June 18th, 2012, 3:16 pm #4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDFzSG8RDpY


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Clyde

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Simple and effective, many other applications can be done, but, then would be a variable or another all together.

The video is two men similar in size. If one was much larger or smaller, would not work very well, the smaller as a rule would not be grabbing and trying to pull person around, why so many techs, you have to figure.

I do like the individual names for application.


Regards,
Gary
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June 18th, 2012, 8:25 pm #5

I'm with you, Gary. The "Ideal Phase" techniques weren't designed to be used verbatum. Not saying you couldn't pull some of them off, because I am sure you could. There are several "Ideal" techniques, however, you would never be able to pull off. There are way too many variables that come into play and it's different when someone is actually fighting back. Formulation is what you use on the streets. Simple, effective principles with strong basics.

Kenpo is also a personal art. If you want to believe that the "Ideal Phase" techniques were designed to be used in actual combat, and that you could actually pull all of them off, that is your problem. Enjoy your journey.

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June 19th, 2012, 12:07 am #6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDFzSG8RDpY


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Clyde

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Seeing the clip is just not the same as feeling you repeatedly prove it lol

Thanks Again!
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June 19th, 2012, 12:15 am #7

Yea, it's shame more people don't actually feel me do this sort of thing, they wouldn't question my methods LOL.

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Clyde

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June 19th, 2012, 12:29 am #8

What I find funny is that the person who originally stated that Lone Kimono was dysfuntional and wouldn't work blah, blah, blah. When I pointed out that LK was one of the few techniques that could be traced directly to Prof. Chow (who by all accounts was completely functional in his fighting) and was his response when someone grabbed onto him and broke his arm. It wasn't addressed except that, only a fool would have grabbed Prof. Chow, and that no one else would grab someone like this unless they didn't know what they were doing, so the technique was still invalid.

Kind of some weird circular logic.

As Clyde pointed out, what LK is designed for works. When you start changing the variables of the attack and then say it doesn't work doesn't make sense.
It is however easier to change the variables enough so the technique is out of context with the attack and then blame the technique versus looking at our own basics and finding what areas we need improvement in. Such simple
things as having a poor stance or making contact at the wrong angle is enough to make any technique feel lacking. If you factor in the trend for instant gratification it is not hard to see why so many will dismiss the techniques without ever really putting in the effort to get them.

At last you add the factor that not everyone that teaches Kenpo can manifest the Art so a lot of people do not even get exposed to what it feels like to be caught in a Kenpo Technique done well. You really do
have to feel it, when your really attacking all out and find your
zones canceled and your body set up for some major destruction, a lot of that faith in the art gets restored, more so when they use an ideal technique to do it.
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June 19th, 2012, 12:35 am #9

Yea, it's shame more people don't actually feel me do this sort of thing, they wouldn't question my methods LOL.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

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Clyde I wish I was back in AZ, first chance I get I am moving there.
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