Kenpo~Karate~ and Language Reality

Kenpo~Karate~ and Language Reality

Joined: February 25th, 2009, 8:54 am

May 20th, 2012, 8:50 am #1

Sometimes kenpo karate reminds me of a foreign language class that we tool in high school. All these kids take the language for years. They study all about it. All its grammatical rules. All the usages, verbs structures and more. You know the game. But then virtually nobody ends up being able to speak the language. Hey, I flunked all foreign languages in school. My friends, well some of them got As. But it doesnt matter because really none of them ever learned to speak the language to any functional extent. So really what they studied were things about the language but not the language at all. Conversely, I am a pretty good talker when it comes to American. I can usually get what I want pretty well with my American talk. But I literally flunked every English class I ever took so I dont know anything really about the rules of the language. But I can talk it to achieve a goal. And believe me I can talk it a lot better than my friends that took it at Ivy League schools. Well maybe they could talk fancy queens English but I can talk American English. And believe me those educated friends could not just go take a college course in American dialect and make it work in a neighborhood.

You really cannot learn a language until you need to conversationally apply it. The same is true for martial arts. Now with respect to martial arts what I see is a lot of people getting along without really being positioned in such a way where their skill is imbedded. The average black belt is so fraught with fundamental errors I cannot even begin to tell you. Now remember I said average, not all. But seriously with all the technical jargon and syntax. With all the classifications it is pretty sad when you can walk up to most of them and just punch them in the face. Or just walk into a sparring class and not have to throw one strike. You just keep walking into them and crowding them and they dont know how to process that. And then after they pontificate on technique they will go on to elaborate on why sparring is not very important. Hey and I am a slow, fat, sick bum, so how would they handle a fighter in their prime, or even an young street educated fighter?

And you know people only really know what they are taught. And along with that comes the fact that teaching karate is more than just moves or strategy. You have all kinds of students with all kinds of motives and even those that are humble need the crap beaten out of them, or at least stung pretty good a lot and on a regular basis to beat them down so they can build themselves up correctly. Hell, I need that right now myself. And a school owner is just not going to take the time to do that or the interest most of the time. Also there is liability and retention. And human beings are totally messed up in terms of self importance and ego and all that must be battered down like a Maryland Beaten Bisquet while preserving some rudimentary thread of self worth. So I guess you just give some information and let only the best students seek their path to excellence and resolve yourself that the others will have some fun and pay the rent.

And from a Taoist energetic perspective students can really damage you. I mean if you go hog wild tossing out full information and bust your back side molding people you will be energetically drained. You end up blowing out your pancreas, liver or heart from damage to the energy body. But on the other side we clearly understand that an older teacher can pull energy from His younger followers and get great benefit for his energy body. So one must walk a fine line. Best thing is possibly bleed off energy to the students at a slow trickle and absorb more of theirs than you put out.

And of course then I see these videos of George Dillman and I ask myself how impressionable can people be? I mean this no touch knockout nonsense. But then I see that really within the kenpo world of respected people and offspring of them equally absurd lunacy is uncovered. You guys know that crap dont work.. Right? .. Right?? But along the same lines quackery should not only be defined by extreme digression from functionality but buy those concepts that seem very orthodox but have less understandable intrinsic error. I mean that if I walk into a punch going the wrong way but am within the confines of base syntax it is a Fail. If I think I can just float up to a person and touch a meridian to knock them out and I get pulverized it is a Fail either way. Both are fails.

Look. I do not sugar coat things. I am a long time practitioner of esoteric occult knowledge and shamanism. I am here to tell you right now that the Dillman stuff and the questionable kenpo stuff no matter whose name is one it works shamanically. So when you see someone doing something in kenpo that looks impossible from a kinetic standpoint you are correct. It is impossible and will not work. When these guys do make it appear to work it is based on things that you have no hope to master since it is all very advanced manipulation of the Will. Yes you can make your will work for you but keep it on a level where you have a fighting chance. Meaning force levels that you DO have a hope to manipulate. And even Dillman is not going to make this stuff work in the street and neither are the kenpo guys pushing their cool looking and enticing extreme low force manipulations.

Ah and people say I am crazy because I am an occultist, astrologer and energy healer. Well at least even I have the brains to realize that all the low force, meridian, passive redirection is going to get you killed in a real fight. And also I kind of get very upset with the guys pushing it. I mean when people are lead to think it is a working self defense method. But as stated those people teaching flawed orthodox movement are equally culpable.

Oh and as usual. None of this really matters. Simply because nothing matters. This is all a fluke. A deception and a falsehood. Love is not real. Nothing is real. And what seems important will not be when we are all dead after we die from old age or get in an accident. So karate is just something to do while we wait for death to take us. There is no YOU. All you are is a bunch of mashed up brains after an asteroid bashed you to pieces. So enjoy yourself by all means.

Shanti!
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Joined: October 14th, 2005, 5:16 am

May 20th, 2012, 2:23 pm #2

Took some time

Not safe for street!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC7AMrhtNNw

Regards,
Gary
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May 20th, 2012, 3:12 pm #3

Yeah I am involved in Asian Healing and I am around a lot of people in it. I do believe Chi energy is real but it is not what most people think. Actually one level it functions on is the microcurrent range. However. In the New Age arena everyone claims that "masters" can just knock people down and control them. But I am yet to have satisfaction. Sure I have seen some Chinese guy moving people around but I have never seen them directly respond to challenges in the form of civil respectful requests. If I in any way bring up the fact that nobody will prove themselves I am always chastised for being disrespectful. Or I am told that a master simply does not do demonstrations like I ask for.

I will say that I do believe that WILL can influence consciousness and consciousness creates all things. But I just do not believe that Dillman and others can do it. And Dillman claims to knock people out in Starbucks (LOL) and says he has "Flatlined" people, What complete absurdity. Hey I know Shamans that have a lot of power but it ain't Dillman or these guys on Youtube. But you know this crap really does bother me because it will not work for self defense and people are led into believing that it will. That puts folks at risk. Sad..

But on the other side of the coin will and intent are important shamanic powers that when nurtured and used accurately can influence reality. I mean our entire world comes from them in my teachings. Confidence is also tied into them. The old saying is that Kenpo does not work, YOU work Kenpo and that comes back to intent, will and confidence.

But these "knockouts" are unrealistic and totally outside the limits of practicality.
However... Important lessons can be derived from them relative to will, intent and confidence and when you have those things coupled with RATIONALITY mountains can be negotiated.

And with that I leave you this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z0_n7tG ... re=related

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Joined: October 14th, 2005, 5:16 am

May 21st, 2012, 2:54 pm #4

Pure and simple

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagus_nerve
It is a very good thing to understand and why striking it can produce trauma.
Elementary to be honest


Regards,
Gary

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May 21st, 2012, 3:59 pm #5

Striking the Vagus nerve or any cranial or peripheral nerve will not do what Dillman proposes. A theoretical pathway or an anatomical location does not a principal make. So it has little to do with neuroanatomy/neurophysiology. It has everything to do with suggestion, will and the impressionability of the subject.

Many people over the years claim mechanisms for sickness based on anatomy and physiology of the body. And cases can be made based on these things. But the problem is that they do not include the entire picture. For example it is fine to say that a nerve goes from A to B. It is also fine to say that there are neurological principals. But it is a big jump to say that tapping the nerve causes certain results. The bottom line is that it does not.

Man is impressionable. You have more than half the country that believes some 2000 year old guy rose from the dead after 3 days and is coming back. So for Dillman to claim these things is pretty easy comparatively. But also for people to believe that Kenpo is some magic elixir to self defense whereby if you just get the techniques and sequencing right you will always succeed is equally as ludicrous.

Man has a desire for faith and faith to be real.
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May 22nd, 2012, 3:52 pm #6

The impressionistic folks are flakes as a rule.
In real fighting and striking if you concentrate,
on a few locations, quick in the street (not a gym)
Vagus Nerve is a good start groin is another given...
Striking seems to be frowned on by some, evasion first is best.
IMHO
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Gary
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May 22nd, 2012, 9:45 pm #7

Well there are different ways to look at things. For me usually the thing is that my training really does not target areas that are speculative. It is taking chances and making assumptions. The vagus nerve deal is way too much of a gamble for me. I am a pretty esoteric guy but not in a fight. I simply cannot make assumptions like some nerve deal is gonna work. It is not to say that I am disregarding things like fitting and contouring, however I cannot make something like some nerve spell a goal, even if it did work.

In a fight Ireally do not think you as a martial artist should have preselected targets for the most part because that kind of takes the art out of it. I suppose for someone with very little training it might be a plausible strategy. But my experience in fights is that things just unfold and creativity happens. But the vagus nerve spell is just risky indulgence as least for me. Hey but if you have mastered these things and are confident so be it. I will try and drop him the old fasioned way like I have trained.

But seriously Gary Ireally believe the entire nerve strike stuff is nonsense and even if it did work it would be self indulgent assumptive risk taking at least from my perspective. As in the show "The X Files", there is a poster that says "I want to believe". But Ijust don't
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May 22nd, 2012, 9:49 pm #8

i lost your e mail when my account was destroyed. Shoot me one to this one so i can send you one back and i have yours..

Wolfnagual@gmail.com
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May 23rd, 2012, 2:06 pm #9

Well there are different ways to look at things. For me usually the thing is that my training really does not target areas that are speculative. It is taking chances and making assumptions. The vagus nerve deal is way too much of a gamble for me. I am a pretty esoteric guy but not in a fight. I simply cannot make assumptions like some nerve deal is gonna work. It is not to say that I am disregarding things like fitting and contouring, however I cannot make something like some nerve spell a goal, even if it did work.

In a fight Ireally do not think you as a martial artist should have preselected targets for the most part because that kind of takes the art out of it. I suppose for someone with very little training it might be a plausible strategy. But my experience in fights is that things just unfold and creativity happens. But the vagus nerve spell is just risky indulgence as least for me. Hey but if you have mastered these things and are confident so be it. I will try and drop him the old fasioned way like I have trained.

But seriously Gary Ireally believe the entire nerve strike stuff is nonsense and even if it did work it would be self indulgent assumptive risk taking at least from my perspective. As in the show "The X Files", there is a poster that says "I want to believe". But Ijust don't
Similar to head and body shots in boxing. The liver is a great one to hit or kick.
Similar to the spleen, certain shots and angle of attack is/are very important.
So, yes, you are not always being specific, but there are better spots than others.
Boxing with gloves, lots of padding and ability to hide behind them, barehand much different...

I feel best locations are the eyes, neck, groin for a first quick attack.
Nerves close to surface also (healing, will teach more about nerves in one session, buy a book on anatomy)

If you miss, then as you say your training and creativity comes into play.
Following up with an elbow, backfist is effective, must perfect, striking bags imho...
Based on what your opponent does or fails to do, is when you can react or act...
Think high low high low, knees (muay thai) very effective, Duh it is a given...

In fighting with a sharp instrument, club, etc...
You know more than not you are going to get cut, or hit, so, protecting vital locations are a must.
Not always successful, but the more you know in the art the better, to survive...

So sure training is really a must, short course of basics, say intense 6 months much better.
Those who go a couple of nights a week for 45 minutes and don't do homework for a few hours in between.
Losers imho...
Similar to going to a class of concentration to bend spoons (bs knockouts using chi, no contact) go home bend them by hand one lie deserves another...
Unable to reproduce, or replicate, shows in science experiment, liar liar
Need strong legs to move fast and take angles, best to keep them in great shape.

Regards,
Gary

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May 23rd, 2012, 2:16 pm #10

i lost your e mail when my account was destroyed. Shoot me one to this one so i can send you one back and i have yours..

Wolfnagual@gmail.com
OK I'll contact you, my e-mail is above.
Two old guys exchanging info and ideas...
Those who listen and practice are going to be ahead of class...
The problem is so many instruction is by those, who are in it for material gain...
More you pay the more you learn or not

The gym I go to is about 30 a month to do strength exercise, can go as much as I want.
Go home work on the bags and arnis (sticks) good stuff...
It is person not art that is important, been said by many who really know...
I have only been into it since 1955 LOL... Still hitting those bags, makes for fast hands, even at 70...

Regards,
Gary
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