For all the Kenpo tech haters

For all the Kenpo tech haters

Joined: January 19th, 2004, 2:11 am

November 6th, 2010, 1:32 am #1

Look, it's really friggin' simple. If you can't do a technique, don't like a technique, don't think a technique will work and drone on and on with vapid invectives about techniques, forms, sets, here's a suggestion.


STFU and quit doing Kenpo.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

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Joined: February 28th, 2004, 1:04 am

November 6th, 2010, 4:07 am #2

Just the stupid ones....

I would still prefer to update the technique, share information,figure out a solution rather than clicking my heels together repeating over and over there's no place like home,LOL !!!!

Rich
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Joined: October 14th, 2005, 5:16 am

November 6th, 2010, 12:26 pm #3

Look, it's really friggin' simple. If you can't do a technique, don't like a technique, don't think a technique will work and drone on and on with vapid invectives about techniques, forms, sets, here's a suggestion.


STFU and quit doing Kenpo.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

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This is a good response to you Clyde, not from a hater, from a reader, from what EPS himself mentioned...

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These have really helped me, from Mr. Parker's Zen of Kenpo:


A true martial artist is not one who fears change, but one who causes it to happen

To live is to change, and to obtain perfection is to change often

Kenpo's true value is not in what you know, but what you do
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EPS mentioned it all the time... Second and third generation students who have not grown, are stuck in a system because the leader died, are the problem with the art I have noticed...

It is one that obviously needs additional discussion, and debate is one of the ways to observe, much more so than meeting a few times a week and doing the same mistakes over and over, IMHO...

If broken down into size, putting each tech in a location where, you are bigger, or smaller, stronger or weaker might be a good start...

5 swords is a perfect example of good, bad and ugly...My congratulations to Michael for getting the discussion going and others for continuing their observations...

I especially want to thank you for this post of yours...

Regards,
Gary





















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Joined: February 4th, 2004, 8:13 pm

November 6th, 2010, 1:36 pm #4

Look, it's really friggin' simple. If you can't do a technique, don't like a technique, don't think a technique will work and drone on and on with vapid invectives about techniques, forms, sets, here's a suggestion.


STFU and quit doing Kenpo.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

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...continue to evolve Kenpo like we are supposed to be doing.

One dimensional thinking isn't good in my opinion.
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November 6th, 2010, 1:44 pm #5

Just the stupid ones....

I would still prefer to update the technique, share information,figure out a solution rather than clicking my heels together repeating over and over there's no place like home,LOL !!!!

Rich
Kenpo is a technique based system, which isn't good in my opinion. It has it's value, but to flip through a rolodex of techniques in the heat of the moment isn't smart. That's why I like Mr. Pick's set based focus rather than techniques. It provides much more resistance and it takes you out of the fantasy street world and puts you into reality street world.

The techniques do serve many purposes, however, in my view. I just laugh when people think they can easily pull all of them off in reality. Too many variables come into play that most people don't add into their training, in my view.

Just observations. Not trying to change anybody's opinion. Obviously, I love Kenpo or I wouldn't be teaching it full-time. There is a reason that it has always been my primary art and always will be. I like it better than anything I've ever done: wrestling, boxing, kickboxing, JLFS, Gracie Jiu-Jitsu (three different lineages), Chin-na, and white crane kung fu. All of my experience in the other systems has greatly enhanced my Kenpo abilities and the ways I view Kenpo.
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November 6th, 2010, 4:27 pm #6

(Notice the subject line left out letters I did not like)

Martial Arts that are set based are still technique based because the set is an isolation of elements within the pre-existing techniques of the system. In the end they all amount to methods of training but what exactly are you training? Some people will reply quickly that you are training your basics and that is correct but those basics belong to a particular martial art method are held to certain standards we call the principles but it may help to consider them keys to reaching your full potential.

In the end you can take a part of a form or a part of a technique and you can create all sort of excellent ways to develop it with or without resistance, with or without partners and I dont see anything wrong with that. The misunderstanding lays in the very design of most martial arts. The techniques that are taught are often for the purpose of teaching and ingraining particular methods they are teaching models and not single word answers to thousands of different questions.

For example in the technique Grasping Sparrows Tail (Lanquewei) is comprised of a number of smaller techniques which can be broken down further into some of the Taiji basics but these can be broken down further into ways of moving according to that martial arts particular principles. When most Taiji students learn this technique it looks fairly ineffective for fighting a fully resistant attacker. Even after they learn the meaning of the moves within the technique it still looks very limited in application. When they drill it in Push Hands they think cool and it fools some people but you still got street fighter types going how the heck is this going to work on someone trying to punch my brain out my arse!

At last they persist in the study of the particular martial art, patiently accepting the guidance of the seniors and instructor and ingraining the correct internals of the art. At last the faithful day comes when the skill manifests its self within the student maybe during sparring or maybe in a self-defense situation but they figure out that the technique was only a direction the teacher pointed for them to walk so that they can reach the same skills the teacher reached by going down that path. If instead the student says screw this worthless technique and runs off to study 10 other martial arts each for a week well you can guess what skill that type of student is going to reach.
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Joined: October 14th, 2005, 5:16 am

November 6th, 2010, 5:15 pm #7

Basics are very important...

Since my main line of defense now is keeping in shape, workingout the major muscle groups with compound movements, and then doing a few that help with special area for strength...Hitting the bags to keep up the speed with hands... All that is now necessary imho...When you get into the sixth decade almost seventh, and wish to stay fairly strong, and active it is a 24/7 thing...

Proper food and diet is a must... Correct amount of protein carbs and fats along with plenty of liquids...
Point is not a lot needs to be done as long as your keep the basics up...

The movements or techs learned and practiced over the years are sitting there, waiting for a time to properly execute...If you need them...

A couple of Kata, or flowing movements, go into it also...

154 is a big number for me I like the simple 5-8-12 or so now...

Regards,
Gary


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Joined: August 27th, 2004, 8:34 am

November 6th, 2010, 5:16 pm #8

Kenpo is a technique based system, which isn't good in my opinion. It has it's value, but to flip through a rolodex of techniques in the heat of the moment isn't smart. That's why I like Mr. Pick's set based focus rather than techniques. It provides much more resistance and it takes you out of the fantasy street world and puts you into reality street world.

The techniques do serve many purposes, however, in my view. I just laugh when people think they can easily pull all of them off in reality. Too many variables come into play that most people don't add into their training, in my view.

Just observations. Not trying to change anybody's opinion. Obviously, I love Kenpo or I wouldn't be teaching it full-time. There is a reason that it has always been my primary art and always will be. I like it better than anything I've ever done: wrestling, boxing, kickboxing, JLFS, Gracie Jiu-Jitsu (three different lineages), Chin-na, and white crane kung fu. All of my experience in the other systems has greatly enhanced my Kenpo abilities and the ways I view Kenpo.
Some have moved away from the tech based system.

Quote from http://www.counterstrikekenpo.com/kenpokarate.html (a LTKKA affiliated school)

..........By focusing on the core concepts, rather than the multitude of techniques devised by Parker, our students learn to understand their own body, how to move efficiently and create power, once these skills are established the techniques start to assemble themselves around the student. This is a more holistic approach that allows each student to tailor the kenpo around their own skill and fitness level meaning that they will not only retain the information more easily, but be able to apply it should the need arise. The result is a constantly evolving, improving and above all practical system of self defence, just the way the late Ed Parker created it and would want it to continue.

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Joined: January 19th, 2004, 2:11 am

November 6th, 2010, 5:52 pm #9

You know, how he designed the system from all the previous systems and knowledge he had and then pared it down from there. Then someone else comes along and thinks they can pare it down even more, to the core.

What I've seen is people that do that, don't know the system well enough to be making those statements, just sayin'. They end up the "partial" artist, a term I love to use, and I don't care whose org. they belong to. If you'll also note, Larry hasn't pared down the system for his students, have you ever wondered why?

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

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Joined: February 28th, 2004, 1:04 am

November 6th, 2010, 6:28 pm #10

Those the techniques were designed to be used against were idiots.....would you grab someones collar with both hands, would you cock your hand before striking, would you grab someones hand and hold it???????

New time, new era..... everyone now has MA training, you can watch everyones expert advice on video, read their Blogs and thoughts....a lot to consider. The techniques might be designed to replace thought and respond like a robot, to make it a living breathing response to stimulus requires more than strong devotion or acts of faith......

"Partial Artist" I don't mind that term....when you get enough parts together you have a whole not a hole system.....

For the die hards all I can say is ......GRACIE JIU JITSU!!!!!

I am sure the answers are in Kenpo, 20 years after Mr. Parkers passing....are you still waiting for the experts to show you how or are you finding answers on your own?????

Rich
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