why not a 1377 for Rabbits???

why not a 1377 for Rabbits???

Joined: December 13th, 2007, 6:05 pm

December 28th, 2007, 2:28 pm #1

Hi all,.......my question is:.....why is a Crosman 1377,that is 600 fps not suitable to shoot Rabbits???....the .177,wth that power will go straight through the target ,where as a .22 will knock it down...i have been told i ca use a rifle for Rabbits ,but not my 1377????...but the rifles fps are much lower fps than my 1377...also its ok to shoot rabbits with a rifle thaT 600FPS.........Yup bit confused here,but im sure you my friend`s can put my straight
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Joined: December 10th, 2005, 10:37 pm

December 28th, 2007, 2:57 pm #2


you hear & only half of what you see.

I'm sure Skyler from PSP  & many others here can fill you in on that question. Shot placement is paramount as with all hunting.

Happy New Year.

DEW
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Joined: May 28th, 2007, 10:40 pm

December 28th, 2007, 4:11 pm #3

Hi all,.......my question is:.....why is a Crosman 1377,that is 600 fps not suitable to shoot Rabbits???....the .177,wth that power will go straight through the target ,where as a .22 will knock it down...i have been told i ca use a rifle for Rabbits ,but not my 1377????...but the rifles fps are much lower fps than my 1377...also its ok to shoot rabbits with a rifle thaT 600FPS.........Yup bit confused here,but im sure you my friend`s can put my straight
, But with head shots its not out of the question.

Thanks....Buck
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Joined: May 17th, 2004, 4:36 pm

December 28th, 2007, 4:24 pm #4

Hi all,.......my question is:.....why is a Crosman 1377,that is 600 fps not suitable to shoot Rabbits???....the .177,wth that power will go straight through the target ,where as a .22 will knock it down...i have been told i ca use a rifle for Rabbits ,but not my 1377????...but the rifles fps are much lower fps than my 1377...also its ok to shoot rabbits with a rifle thaT 600FPS.........Yup bit confused here,but im sure you my friend`s can put my straight
In my teens, my primary hunting rig was a Benji 347. I killed more squirrels and rabbits with it than any kid in my hunting party. I also did more target shooting than any of them and relied on head shots, whenever afforded one.

A .177 of sufficient power is more than enough with a well placed shot. You have a slightly larger margin of error with a .22 plus more energy at the same velocity for greater knockdown power on larger game.

"but I'll be needin' that gun, fer squirrels and such."
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Joined: November 19th, 2004, 12:51 am

December 28th, 2007, 4:27 pm #5

Hi all,.......my question is:.....why is a Crosman 1377,that is 600 fps not suitable to shoot Rabbits???....the .177,wth that power will go straight through the target ,where as a .22 will knock it down...i have been told i ca use a rifle for Rabbits ,but not my 1377????...but the rifles fps are much lower fps than my 1377...also its ok to shoot rabbits with a rifle thaT 600FPS.........Yup bit confused here,but im sure you my friend`s can put my straight
It is not just the speed, but for the kinetic energy that you bring to the target, what counts.

You can easy calculate this yourself.
speed (fps) x speed (fps) x mass (grain) / 450240 = fpe

600 X 600 X 7,87 / 450240 = 6,29 fpe
This is at the muzzle.

About 5 fpe is requert for a clean kill on a rabbit.
So, this does limit your distance. But a basic 1377 should do just fine.

If you worry about over penetration, you could use Gamo expander pellets.
But good shot placement in the kill zone comes first if you asked me.
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Joined: October 15th, 2007, 3:26 pm

December 28th, 2007, 4:34 pm #6

Hi all,.......my question is:.....why is a Crosman 1377,that is 600 fps not suitable to shoot Rabbits???....the .177,wth that power will go straight through the target ,where as a .22 will knock it down...i have been told i ca use a rifle for Rabbits ,but not my 1377????...but the rifles fps are much lower fps than my 1377...also its ok to shoot rabbits with a rifle thaT 600FPS.........Yup bit confused here,but im sure you my friend`s can put my straight
only produce 500 fps MV with say CPLs (7.9 gr) on 10 pumps or
a little more or a little less. Some get near mid 500s - that's
probably when they are about 'right' as in sealed, lubed, tight
between cup and valve head, etc.

Power is pretty 'thin' for shooting rabbits even with well placed
shot at close range. One may or may not get a kill at 10 yds. Sure
there have been kills at 20 yds. or so with 5ish FPE airguns but
it's a gamble - a kid shootin' kinda thing.

I've read some results performancewise about a few of the Benji
HB pumper pistols some folks have recently purchased new and it
appears Crosman is "watering these guns down". Maybe they're doing
the same with the 1377s. Maybe the guns are just dry, leaking and/or
sloppy in tolerances.

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Joined: October 15th, 2007, 3:26 pm

December 28th, 2007, 4:39 pm #7

It is not just the speed, but for the kinetic energy that you bring to the target, what counts.

You can easy calculate this yourself.
speed (fps) x speed (fps) x mass (grain) / 450240 = fpe

600 X 600 X 7,87 / 450240 = 6,29 fpe
This is at the muzzle.

About 5 fpe is requert for a clean kill on a rabbit.
So, this does limit your distance. But a basic 1377 should do just fine.

If you worry about over penetration, you could use Gamo expander pellets.
But good shot placement in the kill zone comes first if you asked me.
few get to 6 FPE. Some are high 4s FPE out of the box.
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Joined: October 8th, 2007, 12:55 am

December 28th, 2007, 5:08 pm #8

only produce 500 fps MV with say CPLs (7.9 gr) on 10 pumps or
a little more or a little less. Some get near mid 500s - that's
probably when they are about 'right' as in sealed, lubed, tight
between cup and valve head, etc.

Power is pretty 'thin' for shooting rabbits even with well placed
shot at close range. One may or may not get a kill at 10 yds. Sure
there have been kills at 20 yds. or so with 5ish FPE airguns but
it's a gamble - a kid shootin' kinda thing.

I've read some results performancewise about a few of the Benji
HB pumper pistols some folks have recently purchased new and it
appears Crosman is "watering these guns down". Maybe they're doing
the same with the 1377s. Maybe the guns are just dry, leaking and/or
sloppy in tolerances.
I've killed rabbits with a slingshot before. Not the toughest critters in the woods for sure. I'd limit the distance to inside 20 yards and only take head shots with the 1377.
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Joined: November 19th, 2004, 12:51 am

December 28th, 2007, 5:27 pm #9

few get to 6 FPE. Some are high 4s FPE out of the box.
dump all of the air in one shot. You assume 10 pumps is max. If you are not happy or secure with the power output, modify youre 1377.

Stronger hammerspring, more pumping and a longer barrel will increase youre power output. I am sure there are other things you could improve on the 1377.

That is already half of the fun is it not?

But still, a basic 1377 could do the job. It has.
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Joined: February 4th, 2006, 8:11 pm

December 28th, 2007, 9:42 pm #10

Hi all,.......my question is:.....why is a Crosman 1377,that is 600 fps not suitable to shoot Rabbits???....the .177,wth that power will go straight through the target ,where as a .22 will knock it down...i have been told i ca use a rifle for Rabbits ,but not my 1377????...but the rifles fps are much lower fps than my 1377...also its ok to shoot rabbits with a rifle thaT 600FPS.........Yup bit confused here,but im sure you my friend`s can put my straight
Those kinds of pellets will help transfer the most energy into the rabbits head. My HB 22(<6fpe) went in and out of a cottontails' head at 10-15yds.
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