Super sear/TKO trigger

Super sear/TKO trigger

Joined: June 9th, 2016, 11:17 pm

April 21st, 2017, 11:26 pm #1

Anyone used the Archer Airguns 13/22 SuperSear with a TKO 1911 style trigger?
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Joined: November 28th, 2002, 6:26 pm

April 23rd, 2017, 2:58 am #2

...to work with the full unobstructed travel of the stock Crosman trigger...

http://www.archerairguns.com/1322-Super ... ersear.htm

...since it looks like the TKO trigger reduces trigger travel (especially if the optional engagement-reducing screw is installed), chances are that this would NOT be a "marriage made in heaven."

So I can't recommend it.
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Joined: April 27th, 2008, 10:28 pm

April 23rd, 2017, 10:42 am #3

Anyone used the Archer Airguns 13/22 SuperSear with a TKO 1911 style trigger?
When two designers separately make their trigger enhancement products, they may change the sear contact points, angles of surfaces, travel, fulcrum positions, etc. to achieve what they want.

If, when the gun is cocked, the supersear locates the sear/trigger nose contact point differently from the factory position, the TKO 1911 trigger probably won't work.

The sear contact point of the TKO trigger is closer to the trigger pivot point, therefore the 1911 trigger actually slightly increases the trigger blade travel before release... when used with a factory profile sear part. It also positions the finger slightly lower and further away from the trigger pivot point, thereby increasing leverage.

If the optional sear engagement set-screw mod is performed in conjunction with the 1911 trigger, I doubt you would be happy with it and a supersear in place.

Here I'll toss in my self-serving promotional link... TKO22.com (Order section 8) (Order section 8)



I recall quite a kurfuffle about a similar question a few years ago.

Steve, I'd be glad to send you a 1911 trigger if you send me a supersear, and we can compare notes.

MIke T.
TKO22.com

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Edited to correct spelling.
Last edited by TKO22 on April 23rd, 2017, 10:50 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Joined: November 28th, 2002, 6:26 pm

April 23rd, 2017, 8:10 pm #4

...on your site: sales@tko22.com

...to contact you and exchange snailmail addresses for trigger and sear?
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Joined: April 27th, 2008, 10:28 pm

April 24th, 2017, 12:26 pm #5

My address is on my website: www.tko22.com

Thanks!
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Joined: November 28th, 2002, 6:26 pm

April 24th, 2017, 2:24 pm #6

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Joined: June 9th, 2016, 11:17 pm

April 24th, 2017, 4:33 pm #7

Gentlemen, I look forward to your assessments. This is an outstanding example of cooperation, and I hope it benefits you both in the end. And to put my money where my mouth is, I will order one of each, regardless of whether they are compatible or not. This may mean I'll need another gun to put one or the other in if it turns out they don't play well together, but that's not a bad thing, right? lol

Thanks to you both.
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Joined: April 12th, 2013, 11:15 am

April 24th, 2017, 8:59 pm #8

Anyone used the Archer Airguns 13/22 SuperSear with a TKO 1911 style trigger?
can't see the point buying the super sear just buy a p-rod trigger unit and challenger hammer/or mod your original
the tko trigger is nice but would be better with a wider finger contact area
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Joined: November 28th, 2002, 6:26 pm

April 24th, 2017, 10:28 pm #9

Gentlemen, I look forward to your assessments. This is an outstanding example of cooperation, and I hope it benefits you both in the end. And to put my money where my mouth is, I will order one of each, regardless of whether they are compatible or not. This may mean I'll need another gun to put one or the other in if it turns out they don't play well together, but that's not a bad thing, right? lol

Thanks to you both.
...just waiting for Mike to respond to my email.
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Joined: April 27th, 2008, 10:28 pm

April 24th, 2017, 11:15 pm #10

Anyone used the Archer Airguns 13/22 SuperSear with a TKO 1911 style trigger?
We made the first batch of the 1911 triggers in the narrow version about 4 years ago. Sold or gave away the 100 we made in about 4-5 months. Previous to the 1911 style, we made a batch of 50 wide blade triggers that more followed the factory profile, with a more upright finger blade. Those were anodized in several colors and sold out pretty fast.

This is a picture of the 2-stage trigger we came up with that has a early wide blade TKO trigger. (Note the similarity of the original TKO design of the drop sear and primary sear and the current Marauder pistol trigger. We made and sold 25 sets of the TKO 2-stage parts about 2 years before the Marauder pistol was introduced.



We also made a small batch of 25 of the 2-piece adjustable wide blades:




They sold well but were labor intensive, and this is a hobby for me, and I would rather go golfing or trap shooting than work any more!

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We then made a batch of wide blade versions and sold those 50 in about 6 months.

We had several comments that the narrow blade version actually "felt" better.

Comparison photo:


(The black stuff on the wideblade is a machining wax)

We can cut and finish 100 of the narrow 1911 triggers in the time it takes to cut, machine, finish 10 of the wide blade versions. The wide blade version also required a wire EDM'd fixture to clamp the triggers to the mill to machine the flats. Since we don't have EDM equipment, the fixture was around $600 to have produced. (We traded out some contract work for the tooling.) The fixture is an amazing piece of engineering, as the triggers are only clamped once, and the CNC mill flips the fixture over when finishing each side. The time on the mill was slowing more profitable work because of the long setup time. And we would scrap 6-7 triggers before it was ready to run production.

Also ... 1/8" 5052 is about 1/3 the cost of 1/4" 5052 plate aluminum. If you have ever watched 52,000 psi water and garnet cut plate aluminum, you will know that 1/8" aluminum will "flutter" less that 1/4" plate when cutting the same profile. That flutter causes the part to move around during the last few mm of the cutting process. So the 1/4" part must be cut slower. When running 52K psi with an abrasive water slurry, the ceramic nozzles wear a bit. The faster you can cut and still have the required surface finish the better.

So... We regressed to the narrow blade. I play more golf, and sell just as many triggers!



Thanks guys.

Steve and I will post up our results... hoping they are compatible.

MIke T.
TKO22.com

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