Substitute for Pellgun Oil

Substitute for Pellgun Oil

Joined: February 2nd, 2009, 3:52 am

February 5th, 2009, 9:30 pm #1

Well, I forgot to order some pellgun oil recently from an online retailer. I looked at the stores here and they don't carry it. The guy on the Pyramyd Air blog (B.B. Pelletier) said that you can substitute Automatic Transmission Fluid for Pellgun Oil. Anyone know if this is accurate, or recommend another substitute?

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Joined: April 25th, 2005, 2:36 am

February 5th, 2009, 10:02 pm #2

A Quart of it costs about the same as a 1/2 Oz.of Pellgum oil, but without the the red dye.

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Joined: February 21st, 2006, 6:43 pm

February 5th, 2009, 11:06 pm #3

Well, I forgot to order some pellgun oil recently from an online retailer. I looked at the stores here and they don't carry it. The guy on the Pyramyd Air blog (B.B. Pelletier) said that you can substitute Automatic Transmission Fluid for Pellgun Oil. Anyone know if this is accurate, or recommend another substitute?

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Mostly seen not so positive posts about it and that it's, as said, motor oil at a substantially higher cost/quart. The ATF has been recommended where synthetic seals and o-rings are involved as it's not supposed to degrade them. I'm not sure what kind of gun PellGun Oil or ATF is supposed to be used in.

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Joined: August 16th, 2004, 7:32 am

February 5th, 2009, 11:41 pm #4

Well, I forgot to order some pellgun oil recently from an online retailer. I looked at the stores here and they don't carry it. The guy on the Pyramyd Air blog (B.B. Pelletier) said that you can substitute Automatic Transmission Fluid for Pellgun Oil. Anyone know if this is accurate, or recommend another substitute?

Thanks
The concern is not to destroy O-rings with your lubricant. I don't know what type of material Crosman's O-rings are comprised of but so far(6 months?) they have not been adversly affected. Most O-rings are tolerant of petroleum based lubricants but some are harsher than others. I would be careful with ATF.


Tri-flo according to the MSDS:

Heavy Aliphatic Solvent. 29 Not Established 1.00
64742-96-7
Naphthenic Oil. 23 5 MG/M3 as Mist 0.00
64742-63-8
Heavy Naphthenic Petroleum Oil. 2 5 5 MG/M3 as Mist 0.00
64742-52-5
Highly refined Naphthenic Oil. 4 5 5 MG/M3 as Mist 0.00
64742-53-6
Heavy Mineral Oil. 23 5 5 MG/M3 as Mist 0.10
64741-96-4
Distillates, petroleum, solvent-degr. 4 5 5 MG/M3 as Mist 0.00
64742-65-0
2-Methoxymethylethoxypropanol 2 100 100 PPM (Skin) 0.40
34590-94-8 STEL 150 150 PPM (Skin)
Amyl Acetate. 3 100 100 PPM 4.00
628-63-7
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Barium (as Ba; total) 0.9

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Joined: May 10th, 2008, 12:40 pm

February 5th, 2009, 11:42 pm #5

Mostly seen not so positive posts about it and that it's, as said, motor oil at a substantially higher cost/quart. The ATF has been recommended where synthetic seals and o-rings are involved as it's not supposed to degrade them. I'm not sure what kind of gun PellGun Oil or ATF is supposed to be used in.
... I've used ATF in my 2100 for 19 years, and it shoots just like the first day if not better. All original seals. Also used ATF for less than a year on my co2 guns and I haven't had any seal deterioration problems to date.

Pellgun is WAY over priced, and many persons have stated it's no more than 30wt ND oil with some coloring added. I will be mixing some ATF and 30wt ND soon and see what happens...




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Joined: May 10th, 2008, 12:40 pm

February 5th, 2009, 11:51 pm #6

The concern is not to destroy O-rings with your lubricant. I don't know what type of material Crosman's O-rings are comprised of but so far(6 months?) they have not been adversly affected. Most O-rings are tolerant of petroleum based lubricants but some are harsher than others. I would be careful with ATF.


Tri-flo according to the MSDS:

Heavy Aliphatic Solvent. 29 Not Established 1.00
64742-96-7
Naphthenic Oil. 23 5 MG/M3 as Mist 0.00
64742-63-8
Heavy Naphthenic Petroleum Oil. 2 5 5 MG/M3 as Mist 0.00
64742-52-5
Highly refined Naphthenic Oil. 4 5 5 MG/M3 as Mist 0.00
64742-53-6
Heavy Mineral Oil. 23 5 5 MG/M3 as Mist 0.10
64741-96-4
Distillates, petroleum, solvent-degr. 4 5 5 MG/M3 as Mist 0.00
64742-65-0
2-Methoxymethylethoxypropanol 2 100 100 PPM (Skin) 0.40
34590-94-8 STEL 150 150 PPM (Skin)
Amyl Acetate. 3 100 100 PPM 4.00
628-63-7
-------------------------------------
Barium (as Ba; total) 0.9

... all automatic transmission equipped cars would be in deep doo-doo, since they have a bunch of o-rings permanently dipped in heated ATF and under constant pressure... I use BUNA 90 for all my co2 o-rings and haven't had one fail due to ATF attack.

Can't guarantee the stock Crosman seals are not cheap o-rings, but they do seem softer, and kind of porous under a magnifying glass...
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Joined: August 3rd, 2008, 2:29 pm

February 5th, 2009, 11:57 pm #7

The concern is not to destroy O-rings with your lubricant. I don't know what type of material Crosman's O-rings are comprised of but so far(6 months?) they have not been adversly affected. Most O-rings are tolerant of petroleum based lubricants but some are harsher than others. I would be careful with ATF.


Tri-flo according to the MSDS:

Heavy Aliphatic Solvent. 29 Not Established 1.00
64742-96-7
Naphthenic Oil. 23 5 MG/M3 as Mist 0.00
64742-63-8
Heavy Naphthenic Petroleum Oil. 2 5 5 MG/M3 as Mist 0.00
64742-52-5
Highly refined Naphthenic Oil. 4 5 5 MG/M3 as Mist 0.00
64742-53-6
Heavy Mineral Oil. 23 5 5 MG/M3 as Mist 0.10
64741-96-4
Distillates, petroleum, solvent-degr. 4 5 5 MG/M3 as Mist 0.00
64742-65-0
2-Methoxymethylethoxypropanol 2 100 100 PPM (Skin) 0.40
34590-94-8 STEL 150 150 PPM (Skin)
Amyl Acetate. 3 100 100 PPM 4.00
628-63-7
-------------------------------------
Barium (as Ba; total) 0.9

i Know it will gum up and collect dust and dirt so for using it for airguns might not be a good idea.
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Joined: August 16th, 2004, 7:32 am

February 6th, 2009, 12:33 am #8

... all automatic transmission equipped cars would be in deep doo-doo, since they have a bunch of o-rings permanently dipped in heated ATF and under constant pressure... I use BUNA 90 for all my co2 o-rings and haven't had one fail due to ATF attack.

Can't guarantee the stock Crosman seals are not cheap o-rings, but they do seem softer, and kind of porous under a magnifying glass...
the newer ATF is silcone based and not harmful, the older type is the stuff to stay away from, Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Most O-rings can withstand solvents according to the descriptions on sites like http://www.mcmaster.com/#o-rings/=h5cq6

the trick is to match up the O-ring and solvent; better safe than sorry.

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Joined: August 16th, 2004, 7:32 am

February 6th, 2009, 12:34 am #9

i Know it will gum up and collect dust and dirt so for using it for airguns might not be a good idea.
I think it is petroleum based with a Teflon additive. I thought I read somewhere that the base was mineral oil.

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Joined: August 3rd, 2008, 2:29 pm

February 6th, 2009, 12:44 am #10

I woundn't use it in MY airguns
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