Attention Crosman

Attention Crosman

Joined: January 25th, 2006, 3:24 am

January 12th, 2011, 3:53 pm #1

I have been a proponent of your company for years. The Marauder is a game changing product for American airgunning. Your company is pro customer. Your warranty and customer service is outstanding. Now to my question.......

Why don't you ask "us" about design possibilities particularly stock design? Who designed the Marauder stock and what school of art did they graduate from? I'm very sure they were a local carpenter who really likes 2x4's. The checkering is awful......I put all my guns into silicone "socks", and the Marauder checkering flakes off every time I remove it from the sock. Here is a link to the Yellow forum where a notable stock maker makes a simple change in the design of the Marauder stock, and the improvement is amazing

http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/me ... Lighten+up.......

Are you listening? How hard would it be to put several designs out on this forum and the Yellow for us to vote on which one we liked best. We can help you! We know what is good and what is not. The blocky, heavy, goofy looking stock that you now offer is hurting your sales (in my opinion). Take some of the wood off, and look at European designs and some of the designs of "our own". We know that cost is a major player in all corporate decisions. Less wood = cost savings. Less checkering (unless you can fix it) = cost savings. Better looking stock = more sales. We all win!

WHAT, CROSMAN, DO YOU THINK?

Bill Dempsey

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Joined: April 12th, 2002, 5:26 am

January 12th, 2011, 4:47 pm #2

it's tough to design a good looking stock with as tall a cheekpiece as is needed for good cheek weld with that high a sight line. Add in that it has to have some FT utility(deep bellied stock) and ambi(even fatter in the butt)and machinable on high production stock duplicators, (and probably not the extremely sophisticated ones SILE uses as a specialist stock maker)... it's little surprise the M-rod stock isn't pretty.
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January 12th, 2011, 5:11 pm #3

I don't agree with your conclusion that the Marauder "has" to have an ugly stock. We are better than that. Please understand that I'm not saying "I'm" better. I don't have a artistic bone in my body, but I do recognize it when I see it. It can be done. It should be done. The stock is a major road block to wider acceptance of this great ground breaking gun.

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January 12th, 2011, 5:41 pm #4

or at least read these forums. Many of their ideas come right from these pages.
I have seen it happen lots of times.
They do have to execute in such a way that their products have the broadest appeal. They also cut corners wherever possible to make the most profit.
Some of the places they cut these corners really confound me though......
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January 12th, 2011, 6:37 pm #5

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January 12th, 2011, 6:38 pm #6

I don't agree with your conclusion that the Marauder "has" to have an ugly stock. We are better than that. Please understand that I'm not saying "I'm" better. I don't have a artistic bone in my body, but I do recognize it when I see it. It can be done. It should be done. The stock is a major road block to wider acceptance of this great ground breaking gun.

Bill Dempsey
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Many of you folk will badmouth it and want a custom one in it's place. Stocks are a subjective thing.

Frankly, though its a little "clubby" to me, I think overall, the gun is a really great design that fits the objectives, and for a first effort, has few issues.

I see lots of replacement designs for various Crosman/Benjamin airgun stocks, and to me, 90% of them look bad, with grish swoops and bulges that have no useful purpose, and thus, don't really belong on an airgun ... but obviously SOME folks like em, judging by the oohs an aaahs .... different strokes.

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January 12th, 2011, 7:37 pm #7

for Crosman to give us a chance for input prior to product release. I'm not expecting everyone to like anything. I do know that most posts about the Marauder are very positive (I love mine).......EXCEPT for the stock. The link I posted showed an idea of how to take the same stock and make it different. Why not let us vote on whether we like it or the current design better?

I love Crosman. I think it is the best airgun company out there. Saying that, why not get out of the corporate box with the forum input making a difference in the product? Wouldn't GM have been better off asking customers if they liked the design of the Aztek bomb they produced? Wouldn't AMC have rather not introduced the Gremlin? Crosman, are you hiding thousands of positive comments about the Marauder stock somewhere?

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January 12th, 2011, 7:39 pm #8

or at least read these forums. Many of their ideas come right from these pages.
I have seen it happen lots of times.
They do have to execute in such a way that their products have the broadest appeal. They also cut corners wherever possible to make the most profit.
Some of the places they cut these corners really confound me though......
that confound you. Lay it out. Any company that is worth its salt will want to know what you think. Crosman, jump in here and share.

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January 12th, 2011, 7:43 pm #9

I have been a proponent of your company for years. The Marauder is a game changing product for American airgunning. Your company is pro customer. Your warranty and customer service is outstanding. Now to my question.......

Why don't you ask "us" about design possibilities particularly stock design? Who designed the Marauder stock and what school of art did they graduate from? I'm very sure they were a local carpenter who really likes 2x4's. The checkering is awful......I put all my guns into silicone "socks", and the Marauder checkering flakes off every time I remove it from the sock. Here is a link to the Yellow forum where a notable stock maker makes a simple change in the design of the Marauder stock, and the improvement is amazing

http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/me ... Lighten+up.......

Are you listening? How hard would it be to put several designs out on this forum and the Yellow for us to vote on which one we liked best. We can help you! We know what is good and what is not. The blocky, heavy, goofy looking stock that you now offer is hurting your sales (in my opinion). Take some of the wood off, and look at European designs and some of the designs of "our own". We know that cost is a major player in all corporate decisions. Less wood = cost savings. Less checkering (unless you can fix it) = cost savings. Better looking stock = more sales. We all win!

WHAT, CROSMAN, DO YOU THINK?

Bill Dempsey

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January 12th, 2011, 8:36 pm #10

for Crosman to give us a chance for input prior to product release. I'm not expecting everyone to like anything. I do know that most posts about the Marauder are very positive (I love mine).......EXCEPT for the stock. The link I posted showed an idea of how to take the same stock and make it different. Why not let us vote on whether we like it or the current design better?

I love Crosman. I think it is the best airgun company out there. Saying that, why not get out of the corporate box with the forum input making a difference in the product? Wouldn't GM have been better off asking customers if they liked the design of the Aztek bomb they produced? Wouldn't AMC have rather not introduced the Gremlin? Crosman, are you hiding thousands of positive comments about the Marauder stock somewhere?

Bill Dempsey
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