Promises, Promises

Promises, Promises

Bob
Bob

September 30th, 2011, 12:56 pm #1


Quote
Share

Nat
Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

September 30th, 2011, 1:50 pm #2

When did Obama ever promise anyone FREE housing, clothing and healthcare?

Why do you post right-wing bullshit that simply isn't true?
. . . . .
Quote
Like
Share

Bob
Bob

September 30th, 2011, 3:18 pm #3

So that I can watch Liberal Democrats like you blow a gasket. Mission Accomplished!
Quote
Share

Nat
Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

September 30th, 2011, 3:25 pm #4

Bob, I'm happy to debate politics and policy anytime you like- but why don't we stick to true facts- not made up propaganda?


. . . . .
Quote
Like
Share

Bob
Bob

September 30th, 2011, 4:21 pm #5

And referring to Blue's "War Tax" thread: Nat, you are always so quick to blame everything that occurred during the Bush Jr. Administration on the President. But the President, powerful as he may be, is just one man, one office. Without the cooperation of Congress, the President's wishes go nowhere. Even a Presidential veto can be over-ridden by Congress. And, much of the time that Bush was in office, at least one House of Congress was majority Democrat. So, how is it that Bush forced all these evil things upon America . . unless a lot of Democrats in Congress went along in voting for them?

And now, in your defense of Obama, you not only keep going back to the Bush days, but you now blame Congress (OK, just the Republican members of Congress) for thwarting Obama's good intentions and continuing to foist evil upon America despite the presence of "Hope" in the White House?

So, which is it? Is the Prez an omnipotent force that dictates, for good or evil, the fate of the country . . or is the President held captive by the evil motives of members of Congress (noting again that a lot of that Congress is and has been Democrat)?

Consistency is obviously not your strong suit, Mr. Nat.
Quote
Share

Nat
Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

September 30th, 2011, 4:52 pm #6

These wars came soon after "9/11" when everyone was hopped up on retaliating the attack- and even I supported going after Bin Laden in Afghanistan- although now I think this could have been done better and cheaper in a covert operation- as it eventually was done.

As for the Iraq war- Congress was fed a pack of lies about the threat of Saddam, but in the wake of 9/11, Congress assumed the things they were being told were true in which case it would have been irresponsible if they had not given the President what he said was necessary to defend the country.




. . . . .
Quote
Like
Share

Bob
Bob

September 30th, 2011, 5:10 pm #7

Wow . . you mean anything Congress is told, they have to believe? There is no effort at independent confirmation . . . that if a President wishes to deceive Congress, all he need do is instruct the entire intelligence aparatus . . not to mention British intelligence, which also claimed that Saddam was a threat . . and going back to the Clinton days, when some in his Administration, including Clinton himself, claimed Saddam was a threat . . . all one need do is arrange to have ALL THESE PEOPLE AND AGENCIES involved in the deception, and viola!, Congress (actually just the Democrats) are absolved of any wrong-doing and needn't take any responsibility for their voting?

So simply . . why didn't someone think of this before!
Quote
Share

Brandon
Brandon

September 30th, 2011, 6:01 pm #8

Bush and previous administrations and Congress and whoever for getting the country into the mess we are currently in, but that solves nothing.

The U.S. is facing serious long term economic problems that must be addressed or we are going to be living in a very different country in the next decade.

It is obvious that President Obama has no clue, so it is vital that he be replaced with a Republican in 2012.
Quote
Share

Nat
Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

September 30th, 2011, 6:15 pm #9

Wow . . you mean anything Congress is told, they have to believe? There is no effort at independent confirmation . . . that if a President wishes to deceive Congress, all he need do is instruct the entire intelligence aparatus . . not to mention British intelligence, which also claimed that Saddam was a threat . . and going back to the Clinton days, when some in his Administration, including Clinton himself, claimed Saddam was a threat . . . all one need do is arrange to have ALL THESE PEOPLE AND AGENCIES involved in the deception, and viola!, Congress (actually just the Democrats) are absolved of any wrong-doing and needn't take any responsibility for their voting?

So simply . . why didn't someone think of this before!
In another time Congress probably would have been more questioning- but given 9/11- it would be treasonous and political suicide to go against the president- who was sky high in the polls at the time. And you can be sure if the Democrats had denied the president's request and there was another attack- they would have gotten full blame for it.
. . . . .
Quote
Like
Share

Nat
Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

September 30th, 2011, 6:22 pm #10

Bush and previous administrations and Congress and whoever for getting the country into the mess we are currently in, but that solves nothing.

The U.S. is facing serious long term economic problems that must be addressed or we are going to be living in a very different country in the next decade.

It is obvious that President Obama has no clue, so it is vital that he be replaced with a Republican in 2012.
Ironic that you think the Republicans have the answer Brandon when they are dogmatically opposed to what's necessary- and that's to raise taxes back to a rational level that is adequate to operate the government. By all historic standards taxes are too low now- The government can't operate- let alone retired the deficit on a starvation diet.
. . . . .
Quote
Like
Share