comfort or exhibitionism??

comfort or exhibitionism??

newbie
newbie

October 4th, 2002, 9:51 pm #1

I have read all of these postings. At first I was excited about reading thought from other braless women. I am just now becoming more comfortable being braless and still cannot leave my house braless. I am working up that this. But more and more, I see folks on this forum who are blatant exhibitionist. This makes me more uncomfortable about being braless.
My view is that a woman has no business being topless unless in an area where this is permitted. I believe this sends the wrong message. Topless women are a very erotic thing for most men and breasts are viewed as sexual. Right or wrong, this is how our society thinks. If you want to be topless in your home, fine. If you want to be topless at a clothing optional beach, fine. But do the rest of us women a favor and leave your clothes on when you leave your home. I wouldn't want my children exposed to partial nudity on anyone's terms but my own. Driving around with no top on is for attention.
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Eefje
Eefje

October 4th, 2002, 11:07 pm #2

Finally a sensible woman on the forum. You are very wellcome! I fully agree with you. I know how you feel. When I was a newbie on BFF it was much worse. There was a clique of exhibitionist posters. Some of them were imposters: maybe they were no women at all but men looking for sexual kicks. We also had a person (Kira) who even was recruiting people for porn activities. After they were discovered the exhibitionistic mails disappeared. We had a good clean up and finally the forum became interesting and useful. But only lately there is a return of these posters. They bear female names but I am not sure about their identities or identity. They always post of their topless activities in public. Nothing else. They don't add much to the discussion. They always react hysterical when someone points them to their exhibitionist nature. Being a woman myself I don't recognize myself in their stories. That's why I suspect them as male fantasies. I know it's pretty irritating, mainly because some members - mostly the male ones, even the webmaster - tend to believe them or maybe want to believe them! Well, my advice is don't let them get to you. Don't believe them and confront them. Laugh at them. They are one of the reasons I keep posting here because it bothers me that these exhibitionists - maybe only one or a few posters - spoil it for everyone. They are no good to the issue of bra- and tofreedom.
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D.K.
D.K.

October 5th, 2002, 2:13 am #3

I have read all of these postings. At first I was excited about reading thought from other braless women. I am just now becoming more comfortable being braless and still cannot leave my house braless. I am working up that this. But more and more, I see folks on this forum who are blatant exhibitionist. This makes me more uncomfortable about being braless.
My view is that a woman has no business being topless unless in an area where this is permitted. I believe this sends the wrong message. Topless women are a very erotic thing for most men and breasts are viewed as sexual. Right or wrong, this is how our society thinks. If you want to be topless in your home, fine. If you want to be topless at a clothing optional beach, fine. But do the rest of us women a favor and leave your clothes on when you leave your home. I wouldn't want my children exposed to partial nudity on anyone's terms but my own. Driving around with no top on is for attention.
Newbie, you miss the point. Breasts are "a very erotic thing for most men" precisely because we keep them hidden- making them a taboo thing. That always sexualizes something. A century ago it was exactly the same with women's legs- they were considered too sexual to be seen in public- so women had to walk around in long dresses, hi-button shoes and wear heavy stockings even at the beach. It was only when a few bold women began exposing their legs in the 1920s that they lost this sexual taboo. It would be the same with breasts.

I'm not saying women should drive around or go to shopping malls bare-breasted- I'm just saying in places where it makes sense for men to be shirtless- like at a beach or swimming pool, women should be able to do that too.

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Anudist
Anudist

October 5th, 2002, 4:51 am #4

I have read all of these postings. At first I was excited about reading thought from other braless women. I am just now becoming more comfortable being braless and still cannot leave my house braless. I am working up that this. But more and more, I see folks on this forum who are blatant exhibitionist. This makes me more uncomfortable about being braless.
My view is that a woman has no business being topless unless in an area where this is permitted. I believe this sends the wrong message. Topless women are a very erotic thing for most men and breasts are viewed as sexual. Right or wrong, this is how our society thinks. If you want to be topless in your home, fine. If you want to be topless at a clothing optional beach, fine. But do the rest of us women a favor and leave your clothes on when you leave your home. I wouldn't want my children exposed to partial nudity on anyone's terms but my own. Driving around with no top on is for attention.
First, I want to congratulate you on your post and welcome you to our little community.

However, what about in Europe where there are several beaches that are NOT nude or c/o beaches but toplessness is allowed.

Are those women "exhibtionists"?


I doubt it.



Now about exhibitionism. IN its truest since exhibitionism is considered "sexual" only when the practioner thereof gets a "sexual" thrill out of the "exposure".

Just being topless and/or brafree is not exhibitionism, per se and a woman should feel free to have the right to do as she chooses.

The main thrust of this discussion always seems to center around the following maxim.

" .... Whereever a man can be "topless" or "topfree" so should a woman have the same right..."

This means that if a man is topfree at a beach, a woman should have the right to choose to be topfree herself if she so desires. The same is true, in a park, playing sports, or just going about daily activities.

Now, I am NOT going to debate that there is also an element of sensuality, NOT SEXUALITY, about being topfree. I believe that men have had this sensation for so long that its not even an issue anymore. Women however, are just begining to enjoy the sensation and the "sensuality" of being brafree.

Another element of these discussions is about the consideration of a woman's breasts as being sexual objects or not. Some believe that a woman's breast ARE sexual and some beleive that they are NOT sexual. IF a woman's breasts are sexual, then why isn't a man's breast considered the same. Physiologically, the same response takes place when stimulated in both sexes. Its just a little more pronounced with a woman than with a man but does that make the breast sexual???

Then there is the continum. Admitedly, at this forum, the women would tend to be more on the leading edge than against the concept. However, here at this forum, there is, and will continue to be, room for differing viewpoints.

Some of the posters may "push the envelope" more than others, but in reality, they are not all that different from the other women who read and/or participate herein.

Again, I welcome you to our discussion(s). This issue will not be "resolved" anytime soon but we are always open to new and interesting viewpoints and welcome yours as well at anytime.

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Anonymous
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October 5th, 2002, 7:01 am #5

I have read all of these postings. At first I was excited about reading thought from other braless women. I am just now becoming more comfortable being braless and still cannot leave my house braless. I am working up that this. But more and more, I see folks on this forum who are blatant exhibitionist. This makes me more uncomfortable about being braless.
My view is that a woman has no business being topless unless in an area where this is permitted. I believe this sends the wrong message. Topless women are a very erotic thing for most men and breasts are viewed as sexual. Right or wrong, this is how our society thinks. If you want to be topless in your home, fine. If you want to be topless at a clothing optional beach, fine. But do the rest of us women a favor and leave your clothes on when you leave your home. I wouldn't want my children exposed to partial nudity on anyone's terms but my own. Driving around with no top on is for attention.
"Topless women are a very erotic thing for most men and breasts are viewed as sexual. Right or wrong, this is how our society thinks."

How do you think that we shoud go about changing that, or do you think we should not change that at all?

"If you want to be topless in your home, fine. If you want to be topless at a clothing optional beach, fine. But do the rest of us women a favor and leave your clothes on when you leave your home."

Than how will things change. Check out this site.

http://www.tera.ca/

It's a topfreedom website and I don't think anyone would accuse those women of being exibitionists, even though they do go into public places topfree. Many times it is places where the law allows it but the public and cops don't realize that. They are doing the same kind of civil disobeadience things the civil rights people did in the 50s & 60s. A black person would go into a place where they were not welcome but legaly allowed to be. Frequently the cops would come but they couldn't do anything once they found out what the law was.

"I wouldn't want my children exposed to partial nudity on anyone's terms but my own."

Playing devil's advocate, who said topfreedom is partal nudity? Do you consider topfree men to be partaly nude?
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melissa
melissa

October 5th, 2002, 7:02 am #6

Damn board. I'm used to posting on boards where you log in first and it will catch you if you try to post without a name.
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Eefje
Eefje

October 5th, 2002, 8:56 am #7

First, I want to congratulate you on your post and welcome you to our little community.

However, what about in Europe where there are several beaches that are NOT nude or c/o beaches but toplessness is allowed.

Are those women "exhibtionists"?


I doubt it.



Now about exhibitionism. IN its truest since exhibitionism is considered "sexual" only when the practioner thereof gets a "sexual" thrill out of the "exposure".

Just being topless and/or brafree is not exhibitionism, per se and a woman should feel free to have the right to do as she chooses.

The main thrust of this discussion always seems to center around the following maxim.

" .... Whereever a man can be "topless" or "topfree" so should a woman have the same right..."

This means that if a man is topfree at a beach, a woman should have the right to choose to be topfree herself if she so desires. The same is true, in a park, playing sports, or just going about daily activities.

Now, I am NOT going to debate that there is also an element of sensuality, NOT SEXUALITY, about being topfree. I believe that men have had this sensation for so long that its not even an issue anymore. Women however, are just begining to enjoy the sensation and the "sensuality" of being brafree.

Another element of these discussions is about the consideration of a woman's breasts as being sexual objects or not. Some believe that a woman's breast ARE sexual and some beleive that they are NOT sexual. IF a woman's breasts are sexual, then why isn't a man's breast considered the same. Physiologically, the same response takes place when stimulated in both sexes. Its just a little more pronounced with a woman than with a man but does that make the breast sexual???

Then there is the continum. Admitedly, at this forum, the women would tend to be more on the leading edge than against the concept. However, here at this forum, there is, and will continue to be, room for differing viewpoints.

Some of the posters may "push the envelope" more than others, but in reality, they are not all that different from the other women who read and/or participate herein.

Again, I welcome you to our discussion(s). This issue will not be "resolved" anytime soon but we are always open to new and interesting viewpoints and welcome yours as well at anytime.
I get really tired of myself but I have to repeat it again and again because the American posters never seem to understand us women. Of course it is allowed an normal to go topless on a beach to bathe in the sun. That is not exhibitionism. The problem with the posters here is that they don't seem to be able to handle that line. They want to cross the line and go topless in cars or whatever. That is either puberistic silly behavior of an un-mature society or sick behavior of male posters who I bet love to watch the Jerry Springer show.
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Jennifer
Jennifer

October 5th, 2002, 9:22 am #8

I have read all of these postings. At first I was excited about reading thought from other braless women. I am just now becoming more comfortable being braless and still cannot leave my house braless. I am working up that this. But more and more, I see folks on this forum who are blatant exhibitionist. This makes me more uncomfortable about being braless.
My view is that a woman has no business being topless unless in an area where this is permitted. I believe this sends the wrong message. Topless women are a very erotic thing for most men and breasts are viewed as sexual. Right or wrong, this is how our society thinks. If you want to be topless in your home, fine. If you want to be topless at a clothing optional beach, fine. But do the rest of us women a favor and leave your clothes on when you leave your home. I wouldn't want my children exposed to partial nudity on anyone's terms but my own. Driving around with no top on is for attention.
Of course I agree with you. However I'm afraid there are only a few of us. I share your concern about the exhibitionistic content of many messages. They are a plague. I have a list in my mind of the suspect mailers. The only thing we can do is show them that we know who they are and that we can see right through them. You recognize them easily: they have no opinion, they never participate in discussions of importance, they are always young women - students - and they only speak of themselves being topless. They fulfill the sexual need of men. Unfortunately they don't visit the regular porn forums but decide to disturb the discussion over here. Fortunately many have left but they pop up from time to time. However it is only a few of us women, exp. Eefje, who fight against them. Hope you can join us. It is definitely my opinion that most of the relevant discussions on BFF like the one about respect for religion is not picked up because of the exhibitionists. And exhibitionists lead to voyeurs on the forum. Neither of them are interested in serious matters.
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Alteior
Alteior

October 5th, 2002, 12:16 pm #9

I get really tired of myself but I have to repeat it again and again because the American posters never seem to understand us women. Of course it is allowed an normal to go topless on a beach to bathe in the sun. That is not exhibitionism. The problem with the posters here is that they don't seem to be able to handle that line. They want to cross the line and go topless in cars or whatever. That is either puberistic silly behavior of an un-mature society or sick behavior of male posters who I bet love to watch the Jerry Springer show.
I fully recognize myself in Kristi's story. Why shoot at her? I did the same in Torrevieja (Spain) - over the distance from my room to the beach. And I am considered as being prudish (here in Europe).

Why declare every bare skin exhibitionist? There are of course (it's the intention), but nobody can know. I believe they deserve the advantage of doubt.

Could we finally stop condemning others? It makes me sick.

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newbie
newbie

October 5th, 2002, 3:09 pm #10

"Topless women are a very erotic thing for most men and breasts are viewed as sexual. Right or wrong, this is how our society thinks."

How do you think that we shoud go about changing that, or do you think we should not change that at all?

"If you want to be topless in your home, fine. If you want to be topless at a clothing optional beach, fine. But do the rest of us women a favor and leave your clothes on when you leave your home."

Than how will things change. Check out this site.

http://www.tera.ca/

It's a topfreedom website and I don't think anyone would accuse those women of being exibitionists, even though they do go into public places topfree. Many times it is places where the law allows it but the public and cops don't realize that. They are doing the same kind of civil disobeadience things the civil rights people did in the 50s & 60s. A black person would go into a place where they were not welcome but legaly allowed to be. Frequently the cops would come but they couldn't do anything once they found out what the law was.

"I wouldn't want my children exposed to partial nudity on anyone's terms but my own."

Playing devil's advocate, who said topfreedom is partal nudity? Do you consider topfree men to be partaly nude?
I hardly see the comparison of being partially nude and the situation with seperation of races. Two totally different things. As a mother, if I had gone to a store and seen a topless woman, my children and myself would have left quickly. Men being topless is not a sexual or sensual thing, although there are instances when this is inappropriate also. I don't see our society changing their views on this point in my lifetime.I still say a woman who goes to a store or wonders the street topless, is an exhibitionist. Sunbathing is not, unless you are on a beach where all other women are keeping their breasts covered.
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