Bra=freedom and feminism

Bra=freedom and feminism

Boreas
Boreas

March 14th, 2006, 3:14 am #1

This board has been somewhat heated/tense lately. It has made me think about things like: How do we discuss issues intelligently, even when we disagree? What role does feminism play in bra-freedom? What is feminism today? WHY does the issue of feminism even have to be discussed in 2006?

So, I wonder what you folks think? In the 60's and 70's women burned their bras as a statement. Now women are wearing super engineered bras and are getting implants. Sometimes I think there is a counter movement to most movements, so I hope that more natural and honest will replace breast implants and padded bras. Is it happening?

I am also seeing a big difference between Canada and the US. I suspect that Europe is also much different than the US. What is going on down there these days? It seems the US is going crazy with Puritanism!

I want to be able to discuss this issue with my sisters and my brothers in an intelligent manner. I would like my brothers to be supportive and to resist the old temptations to objectify women and our breasts. Is this possible?

I'd love to hear your feedback.

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Nat
Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

March 14th, 2006, 4:27 am #2

Boreas, you raise a interesting point about feminists and breasts. Not only do virtually all feminist wear bras these days but they want to re-write history and deny that bra-burnings ever happen. I once got into quite a discussion with a young modern-day feminist who swore up and down that the bra-burning thing was all a big myth. How I wish I could have shown her the numerous photos I have of many such bra-burnings. In fact there was scarcely a college campus in the country that didn't have a bra-burning at some point in the late 1960s. And ofcourse the most famous of them all- at the 1968 Miss America pageant. And as you say, we have gone from the free-hanging "natural" breasts of the 1970s to the pumped up "miracle-bra" encased silicone boobs of today. And amazingly today's feminists apparently think that's just fine. Is it any wonder with this thinking that feminism is dead in the water now?
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Boreas
Boreas

March 14th, 2006, 5:04 am #3

Feminism is more than bra burning. I do not believe it is dead in the water. In fact, there is a resurgance. It just does not involve breast freedom.

I think it is sad that we should even need feminism in the year 2006. Stats Canada released stats that said that women still only make 71% of men's income. The percentage of women in management positions is decreasing, partly because (they think) tradtional women's jobs have taken a big hit with cost cutting and right-winged governments that do not value social services. Canada's parliament is abysmal with the percentage of women in elected positions. I don't remember the stats, but we are pretty darned low on the list.

We won't need feminism anymore when it truly does not matter whether it is a woman or a man in the White House, when women can breast feed (even discreetly) in public without getting flak, and our women and children can live safely without being beaten by those closest to them.

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Nat
Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

March 14th, 2006, 6:50 am #4

Ofcourse feminism is more than bra-burning, but their rejection of unnatural hoisted-up breasts was a ideal symbol for their rejection of enslavement. Now they really have nothing symbolic. And I don't know what feminists are doing in Canada, but down here the feminist movement is practically non-existent. I never even hear the term anymore. I use to know all the feminist leaders like Gloria Steinem, Betty Friedan, Germaine Greer- they were always in the news. Today- I couldn't name a single one. I have no idea who the current president of NOW is and I doubt anyone else does either. That's how much of a non-thing feminists have become.
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Boreas
Boreas

March 14th, 2006, 2:51 pm #5

We will hear of certain women up here on occasion. It is first thing in the morning, so I don't really have names.

I don't think it is a case of feminism being a non-issue. The media has changed dramatically since the 60's and 70's and is now controlled by big corporations with another agenda. It seems that the media (more American than Canadian - we get both) is more interested in telling us about terrorists, Janet's "Wardrobe Malfunction" and things like that. I don't think there is time of inclination in the current structure for feminist or even social justice issues.

A lot of women who would have been in the movement in the 60's and 70's are now championing peace and justice and environmental issues.
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Boreas
Boreas

March 14th, 2006, 2:56 pm #6

Ofcourse feminism is more than bra-burning, but their rejection of unnatural hoisted-up breasts was a ideal symbol for their rejection of enslavement. Now they really have nothing symbolic. And I don't know what feminists are doing in Canada, but down here the feminist movement is practically non-existent. I never even hear the term anymore. I use to know all the feminist leaders like Gloria Steinem, Betty Friedan, Germaine Greer- they were always in the news. Today- I couldn't name a single one. I have no idea who the current president of NOW is and I doubt anyone else does either. That's how much of a non-thing feminists have become.
I happened to be looking at another site when I posted my last. Interestingly enough, there was an article from a young feminist on it.

http://www.rabble.ca/in_her_own_words.s ... 5cd8&rXn=1&

This is an indication of what is happening in Canada anyway.

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Nat
Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

March 14th, 2006, 3:18 pm #7

We will hear of certain women up here on occasion. It is first thing in the morning, so I don't really have names.

I don't think it is a case of feminism being a non-issue. The media has changed dramatically since the 60's and 70's and is now controlled by big corporations with another agenda. It seems that the media (more American than Canadian - we get both) is more interested in telling us about terrorists, Janet's "Wardrobe Malfunction" and things like that. I don't think there is time of inclination in the current structure for feminist or even social justice issues.

A lot of women who would have been in the movement in the 60's and 70's are now championing peace and justice and environmental issues.
>"A lot of women who would have been in the movement in the 60's and 70's are now championing peace and justice and environmental issues."

Well isn't this an indication that feminism is dead? I really think it died in '84 when conservative groups led by the likes of Phyllis Schlafly and Jerry Farwell totally defeated feminists efforts to pass the ERA. Feminist have never recovered from this humiliation.
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Nat
Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

March 14th, 2006, 3:25 pm #8

I happened to be looking at another site when I posted my last. Interestingly enough, there was an article from a young feminist on it.

http://www.rabble.ca/in_her_own_words.s ... 5cd8&rXn=1&

This is an indication of what is happening in Canada anyway.
Well you just can't relate anything in Canada with the US. They are just totally different countries.
The US is far more conservative in every way. By US standards Canada is a socialists country.
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Boreas
Boreas

March 14th, 2006, 5:59 pm #9

Well, then that just makes me more glad to be Canadian and afraid for what the current mood in the US will bring to the world.

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Nat
Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

March 14th, 2006, 7:53 pm #10

Well if it wasn't so cold up there I might join you.
But that's a pretty hard change for a Florida boy to make.
What I'd really like is to go back about 30 years when 'liberal' wasn't a dirty word in the US.
I suppose that time will come again but I may not last long enough to see it.
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