Are 'breasts' nudity? : Mixed Messages

Are 'breasts' nudity? : Mixed Messages

Joined: April 11th, 2004, 7:40 pm

June 26th, 2004, 12:33 am #1

I know this has come up before but it is woth revisiting from time to time.

If you go to a perfectly legitimate spa and massage therapy website, which includes a section on breast health, should you have to see this notice:

"Please Notice! If you are easily offended, consider women's breasts to be indecent, or if you are under the age of 18 years old, then please leave this page immediately. This page contains specialized treatments designed for women's health and due to the nature of the content, parental discretion is advised. If you scroll down from here there will be photos of women's exposed breasts, so please be advised."

What sort of message are we giving out here - some people might consider this notice offensive in itself.

I mean to say, you might have to look at this:



and be traumatised for life, particularly if you are 17.

I was not picking on anyone in particular, but if you want to hold your nose, re the above advisory, and bookmark or favouritise this URL it is quite handy (Alteior I know you have it already):

http://www.divine-interventions.net/BreastHealth.html

Anyway, if you really want to look at breasts, or need an image to illustrate an article, try the Spanish language Latin American URL that Alteior and I have mentioned before:

http://www.geocities.com/marianomaky/18.htm


You don't need to to be able read Spanish, just click on the button for the age you are interested in from 18-50+, it will give you an idea of the range of sizes and shapes. Unfortunately society (and some plastic surgeons) seem to think everyone should look 'perky' like a few of the 18 year olds, for ever, hence bras.

Michael



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Jodi
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June 26th, 2004, 1:06 pm #2


Nudity to one person might have different meanings depending on their point of view.

At this forum the general consus would likely be that being topfree for women is acceptable where ever it is for men.

At most places the old double standard applies, it is acceptable for men but not women.

I know that there are a lot of women here that are pushing the envelope a bit in the name of breast health and equality by wearing sheer shirts, mesh shirts, bib overalls and even going top free whenever possible. I have done all of these and have encouraged other women to do the same. It is amazing what the power of an exposed or partially exposed breast carries.

We need to support and encourage these example setters as well as help the other women that have been brain washed into a life of discomfort and possible health conditions.

Nudity for me is confined to a very small area just above and below the pelvic area for both men and women.
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michaela
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June 26th, 2004, 4:14 pm #3

I know this has come up before but it is woth revisiting from time to time.

If you go to a perfectly legitimate spa and massage therapy website, which includes a section on breast health, should you have to see this notice:

"Please Notice! If you are easily offended, consider women's breasts to be indecent, or if you are under the age of 18 years old, then please leave this page immediately. This page contains specialized treatments designed for women's health and due to the nature of the content, parental discretion is advised. If you scroll down from here there will be photos of women's exposed breasts, so please be advised."

What sort of message are we giving out here - some people might consider this notice offensive in itself.

I mean to say, you might have to look at this:



and be traumatised for life, particularly if you are 17.

I was not picking on anyone in particular, but if you want to hold your nose, re the above advisory, and bookmark or favouritise this URL it is quite handy (Alteior I know you have it already):

http://www.divine-interventions.net/BreastHealth.html

Anyway, if you really want to look at breasts, or need an image to illustrate an article, try the Spanish language Latin American URL that Alteior and I have mentioned before:

http://www.geocities.com/marianomaky/18.htm


You don't need to to be able read Spanish, just click on the button for the age you are interested in from 18-50+, it will give you an idea of the range of sizes and shapes. Unfortunately society (and some plastic surgeons) seem to think everyone should look 'perky' like a few of the 18 year olds, for ever, hence bras.

Michael


With signs and notices like these it is clear that people have the wrong idea about breasts. They just don't get it.
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Nat
Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

June 26th, 2004, 4:15 pm #4

Nudity to one person might have different meanings depending on their point of view.

At this forum the general consus would likely be that being topfree for women is acceptable where ever it is for men.

At most places the old double standard applies, it is acceptable for men but not women.

I know that there are a lot of women here that are pushing the envelope a bit in the name of breast health and equality by wearing sheer shirts, mesh shirts, bib overalls and even going top free whenever possible. I have done all of these and have encouraged other women to do the same. It is amazing what the power of an exposed or partially exposed breast carries.

We need to support and encourage these example setters as well as help the other women that have been brain washed into a life of discomfort and possible health conditions.

Nudity for me is confined to a very small area just above and below the pelvic area for both men and women.
>"Nudity for me is confined to a very small area just above and below the pelvic area for both men and women."

Exactly right Jodi! Nudity should relate to sex organs.
Breasts are not sex organs. They are milk glands for feeding babies.
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michaela
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June 26th, 2004, 4:24 pm #5

...If I had the chance to be breast feeding again today with what I now know about breast health issues, and discrimination, i would be out and about all over town, and everywhere I could think of, feeding my little ones in public places. Why would I do this, you ask? So that it would be seen. So that people get to see the breast used in the way it was designed. I wish I'd known to do this when I had the chance all those years ago.
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Joined: April 11th, 2004, 7:40 pm

June 26th, 2004, 10:16 pm #6

So what did you do, Michaela?

Michael
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Joined: April 11th, 2004, 7:40 pm

June 26th, 2004, 10:28 pm #7

With signs and notices like these it is clear that people have the wrong idea about breasts. They just don't get it.
Michaela,

Two possibilities come to mind:

(a) The owners of the website are afraid of being prosecuted for pornography or obscenity, or a civil suit from someone who claims to have been traumatised by seeing a breast - their lawyer told them to do it.

(b) It is the problem that Nat keeps referring to that the owner of the website or ISP will delete them for obscenity.

In either case, it is a very unfortunate state of affairs.

Michael
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Nat
Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

June 27th, 2004, 1:00 am #8

This is exactly the mindset we are trying to change. A century ago we couldn't have shown photos of women's bare legs here.

I have no doubt that in fifty years bare female breasts will be as accepted as male breasts. But it is going to take those brave enough to challenge the fatuous dogma that exist today just like the bold women who rolled up their bloomers in the 1920s to bare their legs!
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Joined: April 11th, 2004, 7:40 pm

June 27th, 2004, 3:16 am #9

Doubtless why that popular breast health website, 007, made sure this young lady's legs were covered so that they could put her photograph there without a warning to those under 18.


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elijah
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June 27th, 2004, 3:29 am #10

This is exactly the mindset we are trying to change. A century ago we couldn't have shown photos of women's bare legs here.

I have no doubt that in fifty years bare female breasts will be as accepted as male breasts. But it is going to take those brave enough to challenge the fatuous dogma that exist today just like the bold women who rolled up their bloomers in the 1920s to bare their legs!
i say that in 50 yrs, not only will female breasts still be sexualized, but so will male. in big cities, you hardly see male nipples anymore.
it's been quite hot here lately. on time, i was hungry and didn't want to put on a shirt to get some food. i went to a fast food drive thru and the young girl behind the window was startled to see me without a shirt in the car. maybe i looked naked because you couldn't see my legs from outside the car or maybe it was because my chest was showing. i noticed that however hot it is, most men don't step outside without a shirt, even for a cigarette or to take in the trash or what not. i sometimes leave the house witout a shirt but i'm uncomfortable because i feel people stare at me.

i admit: i do feel kinda guitly though. sometimes when it's hot i feel bad that girls can't do it.

i think that our attitude toward male chest could be because of the metrosexual thing that's been happening lately. i notice that guys are trying to become "sexy" these days. this hasn't happened before. with humans, it was thought that girls put the effort to physically attract guys. i know some guys that spend as much time picking out clothes and getting dressed or in the bathroom as females. more men are accentuating their chest with tight shirts. if this keeps up, men's chest could be socially unacceptable to be seen because it'll be sexual. we're probably a long way from it being illegal though.
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