And Oklahoma will lead them . . .

And Oklahoma will lead them . . .

Bob
Bob

December 20th, 2009, 4:57 pm #1

I received this from a friend and decided to check out the links at the bottom. Turns out it is true. I hope other states follow Oklahoma's lead and enact similar legislation, before it is too late to save our country. Funny how some business owners claim they can't find any Americans to work for them . . . maybe if they would pay American wages instead of third-world, slave labor wages . . . .

An update from Oklahoma :
>
> Oklahoma law passed, 37 to 9, had a few liberals in the
> mix, an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the
> front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in D.C.,
> along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a
> conservative state, based on Christian values...! HB 1330
>
> Guess what.......... Oklahoma did it anyway.
> Oklahoma recently passed a law in the state to
> incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to
> where they came from unless they want to get a green card
> and become an American citizen. They all scattered. HB 1804. Hope we
> didn't send any of them to your state. This was against
> the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they
> said it would be a mistake.
>
> Guess what.......... Oklahoma did it anyway.
>
> Recently we passed a law to include DNA samples from any
> and all illegal's to the Oklahoma database, for criminal
> investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was
> unconstitutional.
> SB 1102
>
> Guess what........ Oklahoma did it anyway.
>
> Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma
> as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government
> directives. Joining Texas, Montana and Utah as the only
> states to do so. More states are likely to follow:
> Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, the Carolina's, Tennessee,
> Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, Mississippi,
> Florida. Save your confederate money, it appears the South
> is about to rise up once again. HJR 1003
>
> The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our
> guns. Oklahoma, a
> week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have
> the right to bear arms and transport them in their
> vehicles. I'm sure that was a set back for the
> criminals (and Obamaites). Liberals didn't like it -- But ...
>
>
> Guess what........... Oklahoma did it
> anyway.
>
> Just this month, my state has voted
> and passed a law that ALL driver's license exams will be
> printed in English, and only English, and no other language.
> We have been called racist for doing this, but the fact is
> that ALL of our road signs are in English only. If you want
> to drive in Oklahoma, you must read and write English.
> Really simple.
>
> By the way, Obama does not like any of this..
> Guess what....who cares... Oklahoma is doing it
> anyway.
>
> To Verify:
>http://newsok.com/oklahoma-state-capito ... le/3370730
>
>http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... over_N.htm
>
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Nat
Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

December 21st, 2009, 6:43 am #2

A lot of bluster but I remember when Arkansas said they were "a sovereign state not under the Federal Government directive" and were NOT going to desegregate their schools!! That was answered by umpteen thousand National Guard troups. A few years later Gov. George Wallace tried the same gig in Alabama and got his ass handed to him. No state has ever stood up to Federal government and gotten away with it. And federal government power is stronger today than ever.
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Bob
Bob

December 21st, 2009, 1:47 pm #3

At least with regard to the immigration statutes, I think any state is within its rights to enact stronger legislation than the Federal statutes. I agree that states can't enact laws contrary to Federal law, or with provisions less stringent than Federal law, but illegal immigrants are still ILLEGAL, correct? A state should be allowed to take a tougher stance than the Feds in enforcing existing laws.

I agree with you re succession of individual states, being discriminatory in the ways prohibited by law, and maybe even the public display of religious symbols (though in the latter case, I think states should be allowed to permit traditional religious symbols such as the Ten Commandments . . otherwise we are truly living in a dictatorship under Washington D.C.)

As I've said previously, I think the various regions of this country are too different, too diverse one from another, for all laws to apply everywhere. I think in time there will be a push to break up the U.S. into smaller entities. Whether they collaborate on things such as mutual defense, we will see, but I think (and hope) that the time will come when people will rise up against the tyranny of the U.S. Federal govt and either severely restrict its powers or break away into smaller, self-governing multi-state regions.
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cool beans boi
cool beans boi

December 21st, 2009, 3:40 pm #4

I received this from a friend and decided to check out the links at the bottom. Turns out it is true. I hope other states follow Oklahoma's lead and enact similar legislation, before it is too late to save our country. Funny how some business owners claim they can't find any Americans to work for them . . . maybe if they would pay American wages instead of third-world, slave labor wages . . . .

An update from Oklahoma :
>
> Oklahoma law passed, 37 to 9, had a few liberals in the
> mix, an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the
> front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in D.C.,
> along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a
> conservative state, based on Christian values...! HB 1330
>
> Guess what.......... Oklahoma did it anyway.
> Oklahoma recently passed a law in the state to
> incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to
> where they came from unless they want to get a green card
> and become an American citizen. They all scattered. HB 1804. Hope we
> didn't send any of them to your state. This was against
> the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they
> said it would be a mistake.
>
> Guess what.......... Oklahoma did it anyway.
>
> Recently we passed a law to include DNA samples from any
> and all illegal's to the Oklahoma database, for criminal
> investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was
> unconstitutional.
> SB 1102
>
> Guess what........ Oklahoma did it anyway.
>
> Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma
> as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government
> directives. Joining Texas, Montana and Utah as the only
> states to do so. More states are likely to follow:
> Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, the Carolina's, Tennessee,
> Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, Mississippi,
> Florida. Save your confederate money, it appears the South
> is about to rise up once again. HJR 1003
>
> The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our
> guns. Oklahoma, a
> week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have
> the right to bear arms and transport them in their
> vehicles. I'm sure that was a set back for the
> criminals (and Obamaites). Liberals didn't like it -- But ...
>
>
> Guess what........... Oklahoma did it
> anyway.
>
> Just this month, my state has voted
> and passed a law that ALL driver's license exams will be
> printed in English, and only English, and no other language.
> We have been called racist for doing this, but the fact is
> that ALL of our road signs are in English only. If you want
> to drive in Oklahoma, you must read and write English.
> Really simple.
>
> By the way, Obama does not like any of this..
> Guess what....who cares... Oklahoma is doing it
> anyway.
>
> To Verify:
>http://newsok.com/oklahoma-state-capito ... le/3370730
>
>http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... over_N.htm
>
Remind me never to move to that backward state!
What am I talking about, here in NJ we are not much better, we just elected a Republican conservative!
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Nat
Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

December 22nd, 2009, 1:10 am #5

At least with regard to the immigration statutes, I think any state is within its rights to enact stronger legislation than the Federal statutes. I agree that states can't enact laws contrary to Federal law, or with provisions less stringent than Federal law, but illegal immigrants are still ILLEGAL, correct? A state should be allowed to take a tougher stance than the Feds in enforcing existing laws.

I agree with you re succession of individual states, being discriminatory in the ways prohibited by law, and maybe even the public display of religious symbols (though in the latter case, I think states should be allowed to permit traditional religious symbols such as the Ten Commandments . . otherwise we are truly living in a dictatorship under Washington D.C.)

As I've said previously, I think the various regions of this country are too different, too diverse one from another, for all laws to apply everywhere. I think in time there will be a push to break up the U.S. into smaller entities. Whether they collaborate on things such as mutual defense, we will see, but I think (and hope) that the time will come when people will rise up against the tyranny of the U.S. Federal govt and either severely restrict its powers or break away into smaller, self-governing multi-state regions.
Well there is a grass-roots rebellion going on- and it's rooted in the economy. People don't like the way things are going and they are looking for a boogie man to hang- rather it's immigrants or the Federal government. Unfortunately, the real root of our economic problem is much more complex and there is no easy answer. Basically the US no longer has the competitive advantage in the world that we enjoyed years ago. Virtually everything can be made cheaper elsewhere so the good paying factory jobs that made our middle class prosperous have left the country. Today we are becoming a dichotomy of a well educated professionals who make good money- and the average joe who works his tail off and still can't pay his bills.

The wage disparity between high income and low income has become way too great. When executes make hundreds of times the wages of the people who work for him things have become too skewed. It didn't use to be like this- and it shouldn't be like this. The strange thing to me is that the people who are up in arms about this worship people like Limbaugh and Hannity who make more in a day then they do in a year preaching edicts to resist everything that would help reduce this wage disparity. We have seen this recently demonstrated in the healthcare reforms where the things like single-payer and medicare buy-in have been stripped out. The real winners now are the insurance, pharmaceutical and medical industries.
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Bob
Bob

December 22nd, 2009, 2:15 pm #6

Remind me never to move to that backward state!
What am I talking about, here in NJ we are not much better, we just elected a Republican conservative!
That is what I was trying to point up in my reference to different parts of the U.S. holding differing views on things, such that it is unrealistic to expect one law to reflect the wishes of people in all 50 states. Certainly the Northeast is known for its liberal stances, while the so-called Bible Belt folks generally think much different. I don't think it helps to call some "backward" because they disagree with you. Isn't that what America is supposed to be about . . being able to hold and express disparate views? My preference would be to limit the Feds authority to those areas it can do best or only, such as national defense, and to leave to the states the myriad of decisions that greatly affect citizens' everyday lives. Otherwise, if this stranglehold on power by the Feds continues, I think we will see a trend toward breaking this country up into smaller segments based upon shared interests and beliefs (then the Northeast could choose things like unlimited access to abortion, minimal restrictions upon entry of foreigners into the country, allowing gay marriage or other arrangements, multi-lingual education and services, a whole European-like network of cradle-to-grave social services, etc. And other parts of the country could enact something different).

Nat, I don't put all blame on any one problem. Illegal immigration is part of the overall mess and needs to be addressed and controlled. We have to identify and prioritize problems, and we as Americans have to stop bickering over details and come together for the common good of our country. In several respects (not all), I agree with your points.
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Nat
Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

December 22nd, 2009, 5:28 pm #7

While there are certainly regional differences on moral issues I think our major problems- jobs, wages, crime and health are pretty national and are going to require national solutions. I'm as nostalgic as you when it comes to turning back the clock in many ways but we have to accept that its a very different world now and we have to find solutions that will work in today's global economy. I would like to hear where you disagree with me Bob and your solution for solving these problems.
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Cool beans boi
Cool beans boi

December 23rd, 2009, 6:54 pm #8

That is what I was trying to point up in my reference to different parts of the U.S. holding differing views on things, such that it is unrealistic to expect one law to reflect the wishes of people in all 50 states. Certainly the Northeast is known for its liberal stances, while the so-called Bible Belt folks generally think much different. I don't think it helps to call some "backward" because they disagree with you. Isn't that what America is supposed to be about . . being able to hold and express disparate views? My preference would be to limit the Feds authority to those areas it can do best or only, such as national defense, and to leave to the states the myriad of decisions that greatly affect citizens' everyday lives. Otherwise, if this stranglehold on power by the Feds continues, I think we will see a trend toward breaking this country up into smaller segments based upon shared interests and beliefs (then the Northeast could choose things like unlimited access to abortion, minimal restrictions upon entry of foreigners into the country, allowing gay marriage or other arrangements, multi-lingual education and services, a whole European-like network of cradle-to-grave social services, etc. And other parts of the country could enact something different).

Nat, I don't put all blame on any one problem. Illegal immigration is part of the overall mess and needs to be addressed and controlled. We have to identify and prioritize problems, and we as Americans have to stop bickering over details and come together for the common good of our country. In several respects (not all), I agree with your points.
("then the Northeast could choose things like unlimited access to abortion, minimal restrictions upon entry of foreigners into the country, allowing gay marriage or other arrangements, multi-lingual education and services, a whole European-like network of cradle-to-grave social services, etc."

Don't forget strong gun control.

Where can I sign up for such a country!!

I never liked the "rope of sand" idea of the federal government. I think it shatters the country into too many small pieces. I believe in a big, activist Federal government.
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Nat
Joined: January 1st, 1970, 12:00 am

December 23rd, 2009, 7:55 pm #9

I think most European countries and even Canada would suit your requirements.
The United States is actually quite aberrational among democratic countries- most of which have always been more federalistic and socialistic than the US.

Yet we (conservatives at least) are so convinced that we are right and all those other countries are wrong.
Yet in many respects- amount of crime, poverty, education, divorce, healthcare, gun deaths, we compare badly with them.
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Brandon
Brandon

December 24th, 2009, 2:04 am #10

Some of us like freedom over security.

I would prefer to be able to live my life the way I want to live it as long as I'm not hurting others or society as a whole. Others want a government that takes care of them from cradle to grave. It is impossible to have both.

What has made America great is the freedom that we have to make something out of ourselves based on our talent and willingness to work hard.

Very few scientific, business, or even artistic advances are made in socialist countries.

I prefer constitutional government which means following the 10th Amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The racist governors of the 1960s are often thrown at those of us who advocate states rights, but it is not a valid argument as they deserved to have the federal government come down on them because they were violating black citizen's constitutional rights.
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