non sport card market dead?

Joined: May 2nd, 2008, 4:35 am

December 9th, 2016, 2:12 am #21

Been watching the bay & it appears only rare & scarce cards are selling. Maybe
it is me, I'm wondering what you guys are thinking. People are talking about the
T51 college set, but it looks like people can't give them away. Is it worth the
time & effort to sell a card for a buck or $2. I am very curious as to what you guys
are seeing. Like I said maybe it is me. I hope a few guys respond so I can get
a feeling as to what is actually going on. Thank you!
Rhett sez: "...With sports cards there is a finite number of sets that were produced and they have been cataloged to death and only the most active of collectors actually make "New" discoveries. With non-sports the array of items is never-ending...we will NEVER catalog everything .."

This is the 1 constant truth for the NonSportsMan.

No matter how many things you collect..must admit..NON SPORTS is kinda like Deep Sea or Deep Space...always something new.
There are many on this board and former board members who have Crazy Good, Unusual Stuff (non sports). It brings me back refreshed time and again.




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Joined: May 23rd, 2007, 2:52 pm

December 9th, 2016, 1:49 pm #22

Been watching the bay & it appears only rare & scarce cards are selling. Maybe
it is me, I'm wondering what you guys are thinking. People are talking about the
T51 college set, but it looks like people can't give them away. Is it worth the
time & effort to sell a card for a buck or $2. I am very curious as to what you guys
are seeing. Like I said maybe it is me. I hope a few guys respond so I can get
a feeling as to what is actually going on. Thank you!
And the "never catalog everything" is a true double-edged sword!

When much younger, I was intimidated by the lack of documentation on the non-sports genre which I collect (I still find it somewhat annoying at times).

But as I have grown older, I find this lack of documentation less intimidating, and more of a challenge; and obviously many on this forum feel the same way. Reference the various threads where we take a set that is either totally or partially undocumented, and among us all, are able to, if not totally document, then at least add to the existing documentation.

And while it has been said MANY times (never enough), Dan C.'s efforts have gone a long way in helping the documentation issue. The "picture is worth a thousand words" cliche is so true.

If documentation were more complete, we might have more younger individuals in the non-sport hobby, which, or course, would change the current pricing structure.

And while on the subject of documentation, would like to present an idea. I have thought for decades that "price guides" should be absent of prices! The printed prices are out of date by the time the book is published anyway. Rather, I would like to see the documentation guides list a "scarcity value" from 1 (overprinted, sold at discount, and so common you can wallpaper your den) to maybe 100 (so uncommon you have a better chance of winning an argument with the IRS than finding a type card).

With such a figure, collectors could decide on their own personal challenges; AND how much the set/cards are worth to them.

Jon.
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Joined: May 20th, 2012, 3:06 pm

December 9th, 2016, 3:24 pm #23

Been watching the bay & it appears only rare & scarce cards are selling. Maybe
it is me, I'm wondering what you guys are thinking. People are talking about the
T51 college set, but it looks like people can't give them away. Is it worth the
time & effort to sell a card for a buck or $2. I am very curious as to what you guys
are seeing. Like I said maybe it is me. I hope a few guys respond so I can get
a feeling as to what is actually going on. Thank you!
Lack of documentation just makes it harder to price things. I'm very careful when I see things of which I'm unfamiliar in antique stores. Will often put something on hold until I can figure out if it is truly undocumented, or just requires a bit more of a dig than usual.

That being said, I've been looking around for a book on E cards like the Bob Forbes one on tobacco issues. I remember a few years back a guy posted something (may've been the Net54 baseball board) on his own forthcoming E card book. But I never saw a follow up and haven't been able to find it through my own searches.
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December 9th, 2016, 6:31 pm #24

Been watching the bay & it appears only rare & scarce cards are selling. Maybe
it is me, I'm wondering what you guys are thinking. People are talking about the
T51 college set, but it looks like people can't give them away. Is it worth the
time & effort to sell a card for a buck or $2. I am very curious as to what you guys
are seeing. Like I said maybe it is me. I hope a few guys respond so I can get
a feeling as to what is actually going on. Thank you!
Hi Brian:

Yes, I know what you mean about the 'E' book that was coming out..

It is frustrating..

I have heard that the author is somewhat lazy and irresponsible...

I have also heard that he has a medical condition where he is wasting away and is threatening to be close to only half his body weight..
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December 9th, 2016, 6:35 pm #25

Been watching the bay & it appears only rare & scarce cards are selling. Maybe
it is me, I'm wondering what you guys are thinking. People are talking about the
T51 college set, but it looks like people can't give them away. Is it worth the
time & effort to sell a card for a buck or $2. I am very curious as to what you guys
are seeing. Like I said maybe it is me. I hope a few guys respond so I can get
a feeling as to what is actually going on. Thank you!
I have met the enemy......and he is I
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December 24th, 2016, 9:47 am #26

Been watching the bay & it appears only rare & scarce cards are selling. Maybe
it is me, I'm wondering what you guys are thinking. People are talking about the
T51 college set, but it looks like people can't give them away. Is it worth the
time & effort to sell a card for a buck or $2. I am very curious as to what you guys
are seeing. Like I said maybe it is me. I hope a few guys respond so I can get
a feeling as to what is actually going on. Thank you!
Non-Sports is most certainly not dead, my instagram @filmcardstar gets alot of traffic and directs collectors to non-sport film star cards. The main problem I've seen is lack of visibility as the sports cards record prices make all of the headlines. I know we live in a capitalist society that worships the dollar, and without the $3 million dollar figure none of the newspapers or magazines wouldve wrote about the T206 Wagner.

This is why non-sports is making a comeback. Thousands of uncatalogued sets of cards that can be picked up on ebay for a few bucks. This is how I got started collecting non-sports stuff. I was never one to be able to afford one of the major investment RCs (Even the 89 Upper Deck Griffey, at the height of baseball card mania), and my dad had a amazing knowledge for old movie and tv stars. Off I went...

Follow me on Instagram @filmcardstar

Sincerely,
THE JOKER

PS: PAY ATTENTION! THERE WILL BE A QUIZ DAMNIT! HAHA!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOV7HEgFE1S
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December 24th, 2016, 6:15 pm #27

Been watching the bay & it appears only rare & scarce cards are selling. Maybe
it is me, I'm wondering what you guys are thinking. People are talking about the
T51 college set, but it looks like people can't give them away. Is it worth the
time & effort to sell a card for a buck or $2. I am very curious as to what you guys
are seeing. Like I said maybe it is me. I hope a few guys respond so I can get
a feeling as to what is actually going on. Thank you!
Tony!

Do I detect a fellow socialist round these parts, on this board? Solidarity!!

FYI, I sort of did myself in one time when I was hired by PSA to write an article on "power cards" for their publication, and told Joe Orlando, the editor, that I personally take all of the graded cards I buy out of their slabs and put them into old-school plastics. He cancelled my story and didn't even pay a kill-fee, which we journalists consider not only unethical but punishable through certain civil mechanisms. In my case, I submitted a complaint to the Labor Board and two weeks later got a small pittance for both efforts (the article and the complaint).

Ah, well, we all have our ideals. I suppose mine center around the idea that not every pleasure, nor every human endeavor, can be boiled down to dollars and cents. Sorry Donald Trump. Apologies Karl Marx. I'll pay for things, as we all must; but my cabinet of curiosities goes beyond mere ventures in investing.

I have no interest whatsoever in getting cards that everyone has, just because they have high numbers on their placards up top. Would rather find something truly scarce every time.
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Joined: November 12th, 2012, 1:46 pm

December 25th, 2016, 1:08 am #28

Been watching the bay & it appears only rare & scarce cards are selling. Maybe
it is me, I'm wondering what you guys are thinking. People are talking about the
T51 college set, but it looks like people can't give them away. Is it worth the
time & effort to sell a card for a buck or $2. I am very curious as to what you guys
are seeing. Like I said maybe it is me. I hope a few guys respond so I can get
a feeling as to what is actually going on. Thank you!
Brian, you are sounding like some of the dealers I encountered at the Philly Non-Sport show!

One seller, who at the beginning of the convention was thrilled to find a booth of vintage film star cards and vowed to return with his want list of Peerless Fortune cards, expressed disappointment that all of mine for sale were gasp PSA graded followed by the memorable remark "Oh, I don't do graded".

I started grading and selling non-sports around 2008-2009. In that time I've had several thousand dollars in sales, a guest spot on Antiques Roadshow, auditioned for AMC's Comic Book Men. Bugged the Harrison family about these cards so much I dont blame them for ignoring me. Some really great opportunities, yet the fact that other than wonderful publications like The Wrapper and Non-Sports Update, these cards remain unknown to most collectors.

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December 25th, 2016, 4:45 am #29

Been watching the bay & it appears only rare & scarce cards are selling. Maybe
it is me, I'm wondering what you guys are thinking. People are talking about the
T51 college set, but it looks like people can't give them away. Is it worth the
time & effort to sell a card for a buck or $2. I am very curious as to what you guys
are seeing. Like I said maybe it is me. I hope a few guys respond so I can get
a feeling as to what is actually going on. Thank you!
I'll buy a graded card if it is an issue I really want. I just don't care that it's graded, that's all.
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Joined: November 12th, 2012, 1:46 pm

December 26th, 2016, 4:01 am #30

Been watching the bay & it appears only rare & scarce cards are selling. Maybe
it is me, I'm wondering what you guys are thinking. People are talking about the
T51 college set, but it looks like people can't give them away. Is it worth the
time & effort to sell a card for a buck or $2. I am very curious as to what you guys
are seeing. Like I said maybe it is me. I hope a few guys respond so I can get
a feeling as to what is actually going on. Thank you!
Brian, I understand your frustration and have had my own trouble communicating with PSA. From Mr. Orlando's perspective, selling PSA graded material is in the best interest of the company. When your dealing in items valued over $500 investor collectors rely on 3rd Party grading companies to guarantee authenticity. In the past, the industry has seen its share of fraudulent practices. I'm going to discuss these problems in future videos. Like the time a Monsters of Filmland #1 put me in the middle of a husband/wife duel (D... but this is a reason I support companies like PSA, SGC, Beckett..

That being said, I can also see why vintage collectors like to jailbreak cards out of their scientific slabs (:
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