Davy Crockett orange back cards

Joined: April 6th, 2009, 12:17 am

May 20th, 2017, 10:06 pm #11

Every collector knows of the two different Davy Crockett orange back cards. The NSB calls them
gray stock or white stock. But what about the third type, which I call the bright orange cards?
I have had only one of these for a few years, but in the group shown in my May pickups post I got
two more of them. Have these cards been discussed before? Does anyone else have some of
these cards? How scarce or rare are they?
Ken
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Frank:
Do you know Tony Cimo? I am curious why you would call the set he has on the Registry a "supposed" orange/tan back set? I looked at his listing and all of the cards, except 1 I think, have a comment that the card has a tan back. I know that PSA does not comment on the color of the card backs but I cannot imagine why someone would lie about something that would be so easy to confirm or deny if challenged. Also, why would someone put up a comparatively low graded set like this on the registry if it was not special in some way.

In following this board I have noticed a number of complaints from members who feel that PSA ignores back differences on some sets and, if I remember rightly, at the same time they recognize them for other sets. Those sets are, as I remember, mostly older sets and the differences lie in what is printed on the back. It seems that some cards with certain back features are much more scarce. This makes them harder to obtain and adds, for the collector, value and usually cost.

If you find the printing figures I mentioned for the DCOB card colors to be reasonable, that gives the these cards a legitimate difference without, because of the refusal of PSA to recognize that difference, a distinction. From a card collectors point of view, I cannot see the lack of distinction by the PSA as negating the real collecting questions of scarcity and value differences for the different card colors. Assuming no other varieties (beside back color) exist, a master set of DCOB cards would consist of 240 cards- a complete set of each color. Again, if you agree the printing figures given before, that produce a scarcity ratio of 16-3-1. Good luck to any completest collectors who collect DCOB cards. You have a big challenge.
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Joined: September 16th, 2008, 1:43 am

May 20th, 2017, 11:26 pm #12

Every collector knows of the two different Davy Crockett orange back cards. The NSB calls them
gray stock or white stock. But what about the third type, which I call the bright orange cards?
I have had only one of these for a few years, but in the group shown in my May pickups post I got
two more of them. Have these cards been discussed before? Does anyone else have some of
these cards? How scarce or rare are they?
Ken
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All these theories are interesting but if you cite PSA as a resource for information on non sports cards you believe in the tooth fairy.
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Joined: January 13th, 2013, 2:35 am

May 21st, 2017, 12:44 am #13

Every collector knows of the two different Davy Crockett orange back cards. The NSB calls them
gray stock or white stock. But what about the third type, which I call the bright orange cards?
I have had only one of these for a few years, but in the group shown in my May pickups post I got
two more of them. Have these cards been discussed before? Does anyone else have some of
these cards? How scarce or rare are they?
Ken
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"Frank:
Do you know Tony Cimo? I am curious why you would call the set he has on the Registry a "supposed" orange/tan back set? I looked at his listing and all of the cards, except 1 I think, have a comment that the card has a tan back. I know that PSA does not comment on the color of the card backs but I cannot imagine why someone would lie about something that would be so easy to confirm or deny if challenged. Also, why would someone put up a comparatively low graded set like this on the registry if it was not special in some way."

Mr. Anonymous...First of all it's Cino. I know Tony and I have dealt with him many times. I have no beef with him. I never accused him of lying. My point was that since PSA does not recognize colored back variations in this set, there really can be no official tan back set. Tony is retired with plenty of free time on his hands. He could easily post back scans of the cards in this set, but he has chosen not to do that. Perhaps he's calling some gray or white cards tan and he's mistaken. I don't know. Nor do I care.
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Joined: October 9th, 2016, 12:36 am

May 21st, 2017, 4:43 am #14

Every collector knows of the two different Davy Crockett orange back cards. The NSB calls them
gray stock or white stock. But what about the third type, which I call the bright orange cards?
I have had only one of these for a few years, but in the group shown in my May pickups post I got
two more of them. Have these cards been discussed before? Does anyone else have some of
these cards? How scarce or rare are they?
Ken
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Hi Frank, what does Tony Cino or Time have to do with the question at hand?
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Joined: January 13th, 2013, 2:35 am

May 21st, 2017, 5:57 am #15

Every collector knows of the two different Davy Crockett orange back cards. The NSB calls them
gray stock or white stock. But what about the third type, which I call the bright orange cards?
I have had only one of these for a few years, but in the group shown in my May pickups post I got
two more of them. Have these cards been discussed before? Does anyone else have some of
these cards? How scarce or rare are they?
Ken
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See the posts made by Anonymous
(Login bvb5366)

He brought Cino into the mix.
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Joined: November 20th, 2006, 7:37 pm

May 22nd, 2017, 2:42 am #16

Every collector knows of the two different Davy Crockett orange back cards. The NSB calls them
gray stock or white stock. But what about the third type, which I call the bright orange cards?
I have had only one of these for a few years, but in the group shown in my May pickups post I got
two more of them. Have these cards been discussed before? Does anyone else have some of
these cards? How scarce or rare are they?
Ken
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Hi all,

For what it's worth, I have always held that Topps, for some unknown reason, used three different card stocks to produce the first Davy Crockett card series: a grey stock, a tan stock, and a whitish stock. The appearance of the backs reflected the application of the same ink to the different card stocks. I saw no reason for Topps to experiment with their ink, but I could imagine reasons they might change card stock, such as shortages.

However, I have no documentation to support this. I don't place much of a premium on the two brighter backs, as I don't remember them from childhood collecting days. As a result, they always appear a bit strange to me. although I don't criticize anyone who wants to collect them. My primary DC set consists of all grey-backed stock, while my "Superset", which blends the green and orange backs, has all three varieties in it.

Is anyone aware of green-backed Crockett cards printed on other than grey stock? Now, that would be a find!

Best in collecting,

Bill Bengen
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Joined: March 15th, 2011, 5:18 pm

May 22nd, 2017, 7:51 pm #17

Every collector knows of the two different Davy Crockett orange back cards. The NSB calls them
gray stock or white stock. But what about the third type, which I call the bright orange cards?
I have had only one of these for a few years, but in the group shown in my May pickups post I got
two more of them. Have these cards been discussed before? Does anyone else have some of
these cards? How scarce or rare are they?
Ken
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Thanks to all who responded to my post, with information on these cards. I believe the three
different card stocks does account for the three types. Why it was done we will probably never
know. Although I have never actively sough out the bright orange cards I believe that they are
quite scarce. In checking a few hundred orange back cards that I have had or seen, I only had
2 of them. With the addition of 2 cards that were in the 93 cards that I posted in the May pickups,
I now have a total of 4 out of several hundred cards. It may be that I just have not been in the right
place at the right time.
Nobody posted that they collected them or how many they had. I am sure that all of the cards
in the set were printed on the white stock, creating the bright orange cards, but as of now my
check list is cards number 14,18,46 and 60.
Ken
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Joined: April 6th, 2009, 12:17 am

May 22nd, 2017, 9:30 pm #18

Every collector knows of the two different Davy Crockett orange back cards. The NSB calls them
gray stock or white stock. But what about the third type, which I call the bright orange cards?
I have had only one of these for a few years, but in the group shown in my May pickups post I got
two more of them. Have these cards been discussed before? Does anyone else have some of
these cards? How scarce or rare are they?
Ken
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Ken:
If you wish to contact me, I might be able to put you in contact with someone who might be able to give you more information about the "white back" DCOB cards. He says he knows people with complete "white back" sets. Email me at bvb5366@Hotmail.com if you wish to so. Joe Marciano- (otherwise known as Mr. Anonymous.)
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Joined: November 8th, 2006, 2:37 am

May 22nd, 2017, 10:07 pm #19

Every collector knows of the two different Davy Crockett orange back cards. The NSB calls them
gray stock or white stock. But what about the third type, which I call the bright orange cards?
I have had only one of these for a few years, but in the group shown in my May pickups post I got
two more of them. Have these cards been discussed before? Does anyone else have some of
these cards? How scarce or rare are they?
Ken
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Ken,
I am working on all 3 backs (I bet everyone is surprised!). The white backs are by far the scarcest. However, not many people care so prices remain pretty much the same. I have managed over the years to acquire 21 different and I take them in any condition I find them in. (the tan backs I have managed to find 55 diff so far)

Of the same ink printed on different stocks I still need a little convincing on. For example, here are 3. Which version is the one in the middle?

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Joined: January 13th, 2013, 2:35 am

May 22nd, 2017, 11:40 pm #20

Every collector knows of the two different Davy Crockett orange back cards. The NSB calls them
gray stock or white stock. But what about the third type, which I call the bright orange cards?
I have had only one of these for a few years, but in the group shown in my May pickups post I got
two more of them. Have these cards been discussed before? Does anyone else have some of
these cards? How scarce or rare are they?
Ken
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Todd, that's my whole point about a "complete" tan set. It's not an easy call. I would call the middle card tan.

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