They sung a hymn and went out

They sung a hymn and went out

Joined: July 29th, 2010, 2:32 pm

July 4th, 2011, 6:01 pm #1

Matthew 26:30 And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.

http://www.piney.com/Matthew.26.Sung.Hymn.Went.Out.html

Or maybe not. Those willing to sow discord and damage God's children by appealing to often one-time events and then conduct what they call a worship service (service means hard bondage) prove that they cannot define "disciple" or "ekklesia."

The command for the church was to PREACH the word of god by READING IT. Paul issued this command to timothy including defining any doctrinal content and using Scripture to comfort one another. That simple "pattern" is repeated so many times to prove why Jesus didn't speak to the clergy without parables and Paul's letters are set-ups to fool the foolish who USE them rather than

Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them,
.....Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem,
..... be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers,
.....because they knew him not,
..... nor yet the voices of the prophets
.....which are read every sabbath day,
.....they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city
..... them that preach him,
.....being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Ephesians 3:4 Whereby, when ye read,
.....ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Colossians 4:16 And when this epistle is read among you,
.....cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans;
.....and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.

1Thessalonians 5:27 I charge you by the Lord
.....that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren.

1Timothy 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to [public] reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.

Revelation 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy
.....to open and to read the book
.....neither to look thereon.

Too bad that God was not competent to define HOW He wanted His inspired message delivered to the churches.

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July 4th, 2011, 8:12 pm #2

How sad it is.

Ken can't be his own man. Ken, if singing is wrong, just tell it like it is brother. Are you afraid to ruffle Brother Bill's feathers?
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July 4th, 2011, 8:18 pm #3

I'm not into right and wrong, can and can't but you cannot be a so called New Testament church demanding commands, examples and inferences to be the one true church if you cannot find a direct command to Sing one to another.

None of us are aware of any qahal, synagogue, ekklesia school of the Word of God.
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July 4th, 2011, 8:31 pm #4

Just as I thought!
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July 4th, 2011, 11:22 pm #5

Matthew 26:30 And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.

http://www.piney.com/Matthew.26.Sung.Hymn.Went.Out.html

Or maybe not. Those willing to sow discord and damage God's children by appealing to often one-time events and then conduct what they call a worship service (service means hard bondage) prove that they cannot define "disciple" or "ekklesia."

The command for the church was to PREACH the word of god by READING IT. Paul issued this command to timothy including defining any doctrinal content and using Scripture to comfort one another. That simple "pattern" is repeated so many times to prove why Jesus didn't speak to the clergy without parables and Paul's letters are set-ups to fool the foolish who USE them rather than

Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them,
.....Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem,
..... be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers,
.....because they knew him not,
..... nor yet the voices of the prophets
.....which are read every sabbath day,
.....they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city
..... them that preach him,
.....being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Ephesians 3:4 Whereby, when ye read,
.....ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Colossians 4:16 And when this epistle is read among you,
.....cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans;
.....and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.

1Thessalonians 5:27 I charge you by the Lord
.....that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren.

1Timothy 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to [public] reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.

Revelation 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy
.....to open and to read the book
.....neither to look thereon.

Too bad that God was not competent to define HOW He wanted His inspired message delivered to the churches.
There is no greater message from Jesus Christ than the massed multitude has always been addicted to the use of music to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter. If you listen to the Levites making exorcism in a church near you, the word anathema means that you have been set up and dedicated to be worshipped in your temple: you cannot be redeemed and must be burned.




Further proof is that the clear evidence can and will become invisible before your eyes.
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July 5th, 2011, 8:20 am #6

Just as I thought!
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Just a few brief comments:

1. Who's said that singing is wrong? Provide an exact quote.
2. Is there a difference between "sing" and "sing to one another"?
3. Can you find a scripture where "sing" is a command?
4. Can you find a scripture where "sing to one another" is a command?
5. Can you find examples of those who "sang" although "sing" was not a command?

Please note the usage of each word or expression stated above: (a) sing, (b) singing, (c) sang, (d) sing to one another, (e) sang to one another.

Ken is correct in asserting that there is no direct command to "sing one to another" [be careful about this expression] found in Scripture as a command to NT believers. I haven't found one. Maybe it's been overlooked [didn't search well enough].

Would you immediately inform us when you find such a direct command as "sing one to another"?[/color]
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July 5th, 2011, 12:51 pm #7

Matthew 26:30 And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.

http://www.piney.com/Matthew.26.Sung.Hymn.Went.Out.html

Or maybe not. Those willing to sow discord and damage God's children by appealing to often one-time events and then conduct what they call a worship service (service means hard bondage) prove that they cannot define "disciple" or "ekklesia."

The command for the church was to PREACH the word of god by READING IT. Paul issued this command to timothy including defining any doctrinal content and using Scripture to comfort one another. That simple "pattern" is repeated so many times to prove why Jesus didn't speak to the clergy without parables and Paul's letters are set-ups to fool the foolish who USE them rather than

Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them,
.....Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem,
..... be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers,
.....because they knew him not,
..... nor yet the voices of the prophets
.....which are read every sabbath day,
.....they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city
..... them that preach him,
.....being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Ephesians 3:4 Whereby, when ye read,
.....ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Colossians 4:16 And when this epistle is read among you,
.....cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans;
.....and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.

1Thessalonians 5:27 I charge you by the Lord
.....that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren.

1Timothy 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to [public] reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.

Revelation 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy
.....to open and to read the book
.....neither to look thereon.

Too bad that God was not competent to define HOW He wanted His inspired message delivered to the churches.
Keep dancing boys, but when the Word says that Jesus sung, it is good enough for me.
And YES, Ken, and Donnie, Ephesians 5:19 is a command to sing to one another (meaning vibration of the vocal cords). SPEAKING to one another is using the song to communicate through the heart. People can sing songs all day and not consider the meaning of the words or have them come through the Spirit. It is STILL a song that utilizes the vocal cords.
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July 5th, 2011, 4:38 pm #8

God is pretty smart: why is there no direct command:

When you come together you shall sing that which is written for your learning.

Or:

When you come together you may sing whatever you wish in whatever way you wish.

Paul speaks in parallelism to FOOL those with no right to know. The second part of a verse may be ANTITHETICAL to the first part: makes sense since SPEAKING and SINGING are defined as mutually exclusive.

Here is a reason why Paul told people to HOLD IT or keep silent that which NEGATES the first art:



ALL (as in ALL musical terms and names of instruments are rooted in destructive of a spiritual mind.

This may be wrong, but making a sound and smiting something is NOT conducive to SPEAKING that which is written for our learning with one mind and one mouth. Early people like Calvin could never stretch that beyond unison singing of the Bible text.
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Dr. Bill Crump
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July 5th, 2011, 4:45 pm #9

Keep dancing boys, but when the Word says that Jesus sung, it is good enough for me.
And YES, Ken, and Donnie, Ephesians 5:19 is a command to sing to one another (meaning vibration of the vocal cords). SPEAKING to one another is using the song to communicate through the heart. People can sing songs all day and not consider the meaning of the words or have them come through the Spirit. It is STILL a song that utilizes the vocal cords.
Dave wrote: "Keep dancing [sic] boys, but when the Word says that Jesus sung [sic], it is good enough for me."

That should be: "Keep dancing, boys, but when the Word says that Jesus SANG [past tense], it is good enough for me."

Since there is no mention of IM in Eph. 5:19, only singing should be good enough for Dave as well.

Dave also wrote: "And YES, Ken, [sic] and Donnie, Ephesians 5:19 is a command..."

That should be: "And YES, Ken and Donnie, Ephesians 5:19 is a command..." Only use a comma to separate three or more elements in a series, including the last two. If there are only two elements in the series connected by "and," drop the comma.

Here's an example of proper usage: "And YES, Ken, Donnie, Jimmy, and Dr. Crump, Ephesians 5:19 is a command..."
Reference: http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/commas.htm

Dave continues to dance around grammar. He also dances around Donnie's questions in other threads.

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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

July 5th, 2011, 4:49 pm #10

Matthew 26:30 And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.

http://www.piney.com/Matthew.26.Sung.Hymn.Went.Out.html

Or maybe not. Those willing to sow discord and damage God's children by appealing to often one-time events and then conduct what they call a worship service (service means hard bondage) prove that they cannot define "disciple" or "ekklesia."

The command for the church was to PREACH the word of god by READING IT. Paul issued this command to timothy including defining any doctrinal content and using Scripture to comfort one another. That simple "pattern" is repeated so many times to prove why Jesus didn't speak to the clergy without parables and Paul's letters are set-ups to fool the foolish who USE them rather than

Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them,
.....Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem,
..... be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers,
.....because they knew him not,
..... nor yet the voices of the prophets
.....which are read every sabbath day,
.....they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city
..... them that preach him,
.....being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Ephesians 3:4 Whereby, when ye read,
.....ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Colossians 4:16 And when this epistle is read among you,
.....cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans;
.....and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.

1Thessalonians 5:27 I charge you by the Lord
.....that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren.

1Timothy 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to [public] reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.

Revelation 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy
.....to open and to read the book
.....neither to look thereon.

Too bad that God was not competent to define HOW He wanted His inspired message delivered to the churches.
Try this: They SANG a Hymn and Went Out.
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