Keith D. Stanglin P.hd: Harding weaving about Instrumental Music

Keith D. Stanglin P.hd: Harding weaving about Instrumental Music

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August 25th, 2010, 3:11 am #1

Wayne Jackson Jesus in the form of God.

http://www.piney.com/Wayne.Jackson.Jesu ... f.God.html

The Spirit OF Christ defined the meaning of GOD: nothing which the New Testament writers in any way disturbs the facts:



Keith D. Stanglin at Harding seems to follow the "navigating the winds of change scheme."

http://www.piney.com/Keith.D.Stanglin.H ... Music.html

He weaves back and forth by defending 'a cappella' and then weaves to the Instrumental Worship groups denying that there is any command against instruments.

This is material supplied with an "exam" and it is pretty certain that no student is going to challenge his wavering views. He endorses the Stone-Campbell Movement which seeks UNITY but fails to mention that this is the old Leroy Garrett folly begun just after the NACC finally got delisted from the Disciples in 1971.

Mark E. Powell at Harding Graduate School will present a Seminar on the TRINITY.

http://www.piney.com/Mark.E.Powell.Semi ... inity.html

My first part of the review will be looking at the PROOF TEXTS from "scholarly" published world and then quote the ACTUAL church father to prove that they did not think of a trinity.

There is GOD and God has a SPIRIT or WISDOM or breath and when He speaks wordS those spoken wordS are always called the preexisting SON of God. He builds on the Foundation of John Mark hicks the major sowing of discord in the community church idea and musical worship teams


He uses his co-conspirator John Mark Hicks and a host of books on the Trinity. I



David was an unwitting prophet in some Messianic Psalms. Psalm 51 contrary to original sin is prophetic of Baptism in the kingdom of the Spiritual kingdom.

http://www.piney.com/Psalm.51.conceived.in.sin.html

Psalm 51 also defines the Spirit as OUR spirit made right, just and holly.


Wayne Jackson is one of many "conservatives" who have accepted the idea that the Spirit OF Christ is another "person" and is therefore to be worshipped.

Of course, there is only one God the Father who is to be worshipped. Unfortunately, those who believe in the Holy Spirit often believe that "he" is speaking to or through them. They love to boast about keeping a set of rules proven to be superior to other people's set of rules. That is because everyone can hear the Spirit making sure that what they think is what God thinks.

This is a quick review:

http://www.piney.com/Wayne.Jackson.Is.H ... rship.html

To be continued.
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Ray
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August 25th, 2010, 3:33 pm #2

"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19, ESV)

"I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you." (John 14:16-17, ESV)

"the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." (John 14:26, ESV)

"when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me." (John 15:26, ESV)

"I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged." (John 16:7-11, ESV)

"When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you." (John 16:13-15, ESV)

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Donnie
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August 25th, 2010, 5:45 pm #3

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Not so fast, Ray.

So, in John 14, the Father will send ... will give....

But in John 16:7ff, "I [Jesus] will send...."

If you study John chapters 14-16 very, very carefully, you will notice that it is not the Person No. 3 of the Trinity Doctrine as you think.

Pay very close attention to the pronouns [I, he, me, etc.] used in those chapters. (For one thing, in NT Greek, in the absence of a pronoun, translators have been guilty of substituting a "he" for an "it" because of a preconceived notion especially in the case of God's holy Spirit to designate a male gender.)

There are more references to the spirit of God as "it" or "which" than "he" or "whom." Again, a translation issue.

A list of 3 entities does not necessarily make it 3 persons.

This will be explained in detail in the next posts.[/color]
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August 25th, 2010, 6:01 pm #4

"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19, ESV)

"I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you." (John 14:16-17, ESV)

"the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." (John 14:26, ESV)

"when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me." (John 15:26, ESV)

"I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged." (John 16:7-11, ESV)

"When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you." (John 16:13-15, ESV)
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Ray,

We know you set aside time to worship our Father in heaven.

When do you worship the Spirit of Christ (Rom. 8:9; I Peter 1:11)?[/color]
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August 25th, 2010, 7:55 pm #5

"I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you." (John 14:16-17, ESV)

I don't know why no writer in the church of Christ can even SEEwhat follows!

John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you

"the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." (John 14:26, ESV

1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.
And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Advocate is a Comforter is "I WILL COME TO YOU" and in Spirit form I will be IN MY NAME

1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him
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August 25th, 2010, 8:30 pm #6

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Not so fast, Ray.

So, in John 14, the Father will send ... will give....

But in John 16:7ff, "I [Jesus] will send...."

If you study John chapters 14-16 very, very carefully, you will notice that it is not the Person No. 3 of the Trinity Doctrine as you think.

Pay very close attention to the pronouns [I, he, me, etc.] used in those chapters. (For one thing, in NT Greek, in the absence of a pronoun, translators have been guilty of substituting a "he" for an "it" because of a preconceived notion especially in the case of God's holy Spirit to designate a male gender.)

There are more references to the spirit of God as "it" or "which" than "he" or "whom." Again, a translation issue.

A list of 3 entities does not necessarily make it 3 persons.

This will be explained in detail in the next posts.[/color]
[color=#FF0000" size="3" face="times]-- "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit OF God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit OF Christ, he is none of his." (Rom. 8:9)

-- "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow." (I Peter 1:11)

-- "For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit OF Jesus Christ...." (Phil. 1:19)[/color]

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Ray,

The "Holy Spirit" is synonymous with:

-- the spirit OF the Lord
-- the spirit OF the Father
-- the spirit OF him
-- the spirit OF God
-- the spirit OF the Lord God
-- the spirit OF the living God
-- the spirit OF Christ
-- the spirit OF Jesus Christ
-- the holy spirit OF God
-- etc.

How does the Trinitarian come up with "the spirit OF the living God" as another PERSON, a different PERSON, from the living God (being) Himself?[/color]
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August 26th, 2010, 10:47 pm #7

Wayne Jackson Jesus in the form of God.

http://www.piney.com/Wayne.Jackson.Jesu ... f.God.html

The Spirit OF Christ defined the meaning of GOD: nothing which the New Testament writers in any way disturbs the facts:



Keith D. Stanglin at Harding seems to follow the "navigating the winds of change scheme."

http://www.piney.com/Keith.D.Stanglin.H ... Music.html

He weaves back and forth by defending 'a cappella' and then weaves to the Instrumental Worship groups denying that there is any command against instruments.

This is material supplied with an "exam" and it is pretty certain that no student is going to challenge his wavering views. He endorses the Stone-Campbell Movement which seeks UNITY but fails to mention that this is the old Leroy Garrett folly begun just after the NACC finally got delisted from the Disciples in 1971.

Mark E. Powell at Harding Graduate School will present a Seminar on the TRINITY.

http://www.piney.com/Mark.E.Powell.Semi ... inity.html

My first part of the review will be looking at the PROOF TEXTS from "scholarly" published world and then quote the ACTUAL church father to prove that they did not think of a trinity.

There is GOD and God has a SPIRIT or WISDOM or breath and when He speaks wordS those spoken wordS are always called the preexisting SON of God. He builds on the Foundation of John Mark hicks the major sowing of discord in the community church idea and musical worship teams


He uses his co-conspirator John Mark Hicks and a host of books on the Trinity. I



David was an unwitting prophet in some Messianic Psalms. Psalm 51 contrary to original sin is prophetic of Baptism in the kingdom of the Spiritual kingdom.

http://www.piney.com/Psalm.51.conceived.in.sin.html

Psalm 51 also defines the Spirit as OUR spirit made right, just and holly.


Wayne Jackson is one of many "conservatives" who have accepted the idea that the Spirit OF Christ is another "person" and is therefore to be worshipped.

Of course, there is only one God the Father who is to be worshipped. Unfortunately, those who believe in the Holy Spirit often believe that "he" is speaking to or through them. They love to boast about keeping a set of rules proven to be superior to other people's set of rules. That is because everyone can hear the Spirit making sure that what they think is what God thinks.

This is a quick review:

http://www.piney.com/Wayne.Jackson.Is.H ... rship.html

To be continued.
1Cor. 8:1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge.
......Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth
1Cor. 8:2 And if any man think that he knoweth anything,
......he knoweth nothing yet as he OUGHT to know.
1Cor. 8:3 But if any man love God,
......the same is known of him.
1Cor. 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols,
......we know that an idol is nothing in the world,
......and that there is none other God but ONE.
1Cor. 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth,
......(as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Cor. 8:6 But to US
......there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things,
............ and we in him;
......and one Lord Jesus Christ,
............by whom are all things, and we by him.

1Cor. 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish,
......for whom Christ died?
1Cor. 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren,
......and wound their weak conscience,
......ye sin against Christ.

1John 2:21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth,
......but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
1John 2:22 Who is a liar
...... but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
...... He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son,
......the same hath not the Father:
...... (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
1John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you,
......which ye have heard from the beginning.
...... If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you,
......ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
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Dave
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September 6th, 2010, 4:15 pm #8

Do you guys really expect an answer???
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September 6th, 2010, 6:47 pm #9

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Dave,

So, let me pose the same question to you (Ray may still be searching for the correct answer -- give him time).

We know you set aside time to worship our Father in heaven -- during "worship services" or at a family gathering or when you're alone, etc.

When do you worship the [holy] Spirit of Christ (Rom. 8:9; I Peter 1:11; Phil. 1:19)?

You must prove your point or your credibility will be questioned.

I feel strongly that you may be rejecting the truth that there is the holy spirit OF Jesus Christ. Or that you weren't aware that there is such as the spirit OF Jesus Christ. And your lack of awareness may be due to the fact that you hear only about "the spirit OF God" and possibly never hear about "the spirit OF Jesus Christ"?

Think about that for a minute: "the holy spirit OF Jesus Christ" ... and then think about it more often from now on. Jesus Christ HAS a spirit that is holy, just as God or the Father (Matt. 10:20] HAS a holy spirit.

I'm willing to help you understand "the holy spirit OF Jesus Christ" by just quoting the IGNORED passages from Scripture:[/color]
  • [color=#FF0000" size="3" face="times]"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit OF God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit OF Christ, he is none of his." (Romans 8:9)[/color]

    </li>
  • [color=#FF0000" size="3" face="times]"Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit OF Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow." ( I Peter 1:11)[/color]

    </li>
  • [color=#FF0000" size="3" face="times]"For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit OF Jesus Christ." (Phil. 1:19)[/color]

    </li>
  • [color=#FF0000" size="3" face="times]"But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit OF your Father which speaketh in you. (Matt. 10:19-20)[/color]

    </li>
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]I'm really not making it complicated. And that's not my intention. I'm just presenting the truth that you may not have known or heard of before.

So, when do you worship the [holy] Spirit of Christ?[/color]
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Dave
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September 8th, 2010, 12:56 am #10

Do you guys really expect an answer???
All I heard in that tirade of yours was...."You must prove your point or your credibility will be questioned."

I must?!?!

Son, I don't MUST do anything that you request. You, oh irrational one, do NOT have the right to make requests of anyone.
Comprende?
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