HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE - How far is it from your church?

HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE - How far is it from your church?

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August 4th, 2003, 9:30 am #1

How can an act described in the Bible as an abomination be sanctified by the church?


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August 4th, 2003, 1:53 pm #2

It can't be sactified by the body of Christ. It is an abominal sin.

It can be sanctified by decieved men however.
The Bible prophecies such a falling away from
proclaimed believers before Jesus return.
So it comes as no real suprise for those who
watchful and expecting the return of the Lord.

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Kenneth Sublett
Kenneth Sublett

August 4th, 2003, 9:34 pm #3

How can an act described in the Bible as an abomination be sanctified by the church?


Episcopal News
New same-sex rites resolution emerges
Blessing may appear in Enriching Our Worship

http://snurl.com/1ylx
I just heard a Canadian "gay bishop" (a Biblical oxymoron: is another bearded guy a wife?) being interviewed. John Gipson asked if the CHURCH was the agenda of the "gay" community and specificially about the "civil agreement" which is probably going to be the COMPROMISE in the USA. He said "It is a good STEP ON THE WAY." And one tiny step is enough until next year.

I have lost my quoted authority but I read one site which said that homosexuals had control of all media including MUSICIANS even if they call themselves "christians" and THE NEXT STEP is the church.

I don't make AUTOMATIC judgments about dress designers or singers but isn't it strange that our churches suddenly need $90.000 song leaders. For now, we call them Worship Ministers to aid the more expensive OUTREACH minister? I can think of no better SIGN to head for the hills.

But the world has always seen singer and musician just the way we see them as they increasingly get caught or die. This is why the people perhaps without knowing why suddenly run with the hair raised on the back of their neck when "males" stand in the presumed Holy Places, sing, clap, sway and do "body worship."

It is a fact that the PLAGUES of Revelation with weeping sores and more will characterize the end. The medical prophecy is that things are getting worse and who will bury the plagued:

Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

Rev 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

The growing Whore known as CIRCE or "church" to John is already BIG in the GNP and the restructure into VENUES FOR ROCK AND ROLL or "Theaters for holy entertainment" is growing as we speek. $50K to make a Franklin church CIRCE-ready? Shortly, the growth of GAY churches will divert all of the money into high ticket items and the sudden demise of the CLERGY SYSTEM could wreck everone who has not run from the falling "towers." There is no better TARGET for the plague than the churches which are the ONLY logical gathering places for the plague- ridden entertainment industry.

Is that what it means when they pray for the ROCKS to fall on them? Just kidding. (:-{

The "gay" on his way to infiltrating an already gay priesthood has been momentarily checked by his PORNO history. Right at this moment he is talking to "god."

Ken Sublett
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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

August 10th, 2003, 6:36 am #4

How can an act described in the Bible as an abomination be sanctified by the church?


Episcopal News
New same-sex rites resolution emerges
Blessing may appear in Enriching Our Worship

http://snurl.com/1ylx
As the Church enters the 21st century, it's no surprise that homosexual "marriage" has become the newest heresy for the Church to condone.

The problem began in the late 20th century when the Church decided that she needed a new purpose, a new appearance, and a new sound. The Church's purpose today is to pack the pews with "seekers" looking for fun, excitement, and self-esteem. The Church's appearance today is a "worship center" that duplicates the theatre and the concert hall with high-tech, multi-million-dollar sound and lighting equipment that showcases performers. The Church's sound today is lively, loud, and raucous, much like the din of carnivals and rock concerts.

Gone are the reverence, dignity, and holiness of worship services today, for artists and the spirit of entertainment have put God on the back row in the last chair.

So it should be no surprise that the next step down this miserable road of apostasy would be for the Church to condone homosexual "unions." The Church has opened her arms and invited the world, the proverbial wolf, and ultimately the prince of darkness himself to step into her midst. And we all know where that fateful road ends.
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David K
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August 12th, 2003, 4:14 pm #5

Actually the common Episcopal service seems more like a funeral compared to the Church of Christ, so in this case it certainly isnt the entertainment aspect.
They have the eucheristic mass and have all the trappings of a Catholic Church.
From a Biblical standpoint the Catholic Church and Episcopal church both add works and the sacraments to the Finished work of the Lord, for salvation.
The services are very austere and dignified and seem reverent ect., but they have a false sacrifice over and over week after week, when instead the sacrifice of the Lord was ONCE for ALL time.
In this manner it seems both Church's would be a hinderance from one have a true saving faith in the risen Christ.
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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

August 13th, 2003, 1:33 am #6

Perhaps the Episcopal and Roman Catholic services retain some formality, but generally most protestant churches are moving away from that in preference for services that are more entertaining. When I was a member of the American Guild of Organists, periodically the chapter's monthly newsletter included advertisements for available positions. I often noted Presbyterian, Methodist, and Lutheran churches that wanted someone to head up a contemporary "praise team," because they wanted to be more "diverse" (translation: "appealing and entertaining"). Oddly, not many Baptist churches advertised for organists, not because their musicians were a stable lot, but because Baptists seemed to be the #1 denomination that were ditching formality for entertainment. My own personal experience with a Southern Baptist church would support this. Finally, Rick Warren's book, "The Purpose Driven Church," has markedly influenced thousands of churches of all denominations across the USA to incorporate entertainment in worship.
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David K.
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August 13th, 2003, 5:00 pm #7

Yes, the Purpose Driven model is a worry to me too.
I'm no preacher, but I have taken the time to go through the model they use for a Purpose Driven Church.

I will say a Church COULD use the model and get some out of the practical part of it. It has some decent advise.

However, I dont agree with designing a Church to meet the desires of the Unchurched. When you are born again, you take on a new life and a new purpose.

The old desires, more money, more entertainment, more pleasure etc., should only remind you of old mind of sinful man, and you should flee from it.
Of course you will never be perfect, but you cant wallow in the old way either.


A Church designed to meet the needs of more, more, more I feel have often missed the mark, Paul himself said to live is Christ and to die is gain.

He never said to live is to "get everything you want right here on earth and Jesus will facilitate you getting it here and now". No this should never be the focus of any Church.

Unfortunatly, it often is today. And the masses never meet the true Christ.

We do have to keep in mind "that in the final days they will gather teachers together to say what their itching ears want to hear". No longer being able to put up with sound doctrine they will turn aside to myths".
You do have to examine each and every teaching.

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Angelo Muñoz
Angelo Muñoz

August 18th, 2003, 5:26 pm #8

I just heard a Canadian "gay bishop" (a Biblical oxymoron: is another bearded guy a wife?) being interviewed. John Gipson asked if the CHURCH was the agenda of the "gay" community and specificially about the "civil agreement" which is probably going to be the COMPROMISE in the USA. He said "It is a good STEP ON THE WAY." And one tiny step is enough until next year.

I have lost my quoted authority but I read one site which said that homosexuals had control of all media including MUSICIANS even if they call themselves "christians" and THE NEXT STEP is the church.

I don't make AUTOMATIC judgments about dress designers or singers but isn't it strange that our churches suddenly need $90.000 song leaders. For now, we call them Worship Ministers to aid the more expensive OUTREACH minister? I can think of no better SIGN to head for the hills.

But the world has always seen singer and musician just the way we see them as they increasingly get caught or die. This is why the people perhaps without knowing why suddenly run with the hair raised on the back of their neck when "males" stand in the presumed Holy Places, sing, clap, sway and do "body worship."

It is a fact that the PLAGUES of Revelation with weeping sores and more will characterize the end. The medical prophecy is that things are getting worse and who will bury the plagued:

Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

Rev 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

The growing Whore known as CIRCE or "church" to John is already BIG in the GNP and the restructure into VENUES FOR ROCK AND ROLL or "Theaters for holy entertainment" is growing as we speek. $50K to make a Franklin church CIRCE-ready? Shortly, the growth of GAY churches will divert all of the money into high ticket items and the sudden demise of the CLERGY SYSTEM could wreck everone who has not run from the falling "towers." There is no better TARGET for the plague than the churches which are the ONLY logical gathering places for the plague- ridden entertainment industry.

Is that what it means when they pray for the ROCKS to fall on them? Just kidding. (:-{

The "gay" on his way to infiltrating an already gay priesthood has been momentarily checked by his PORNO history. Right at this moment he is talking to "god."

Ken Sublett
We do not have to change what our God left in the Bible. This is not ours to have, nor if it wants we must think about that. Otherwise, we would be breaking what its word says. How he is that we, having known the truth, now want to fall in the lie? Perhaps he will be correct that? I do not create it. We must thank to God of which we have reached the salvation by means of its Word. The modernthings, is something that has come affecting to the true church of Christ in these times. This of which the homosexuals want to marry, is something new in ours was. The Divine principles prohiben it. The Bible condemns the homosexuality and still it condemns to which they have effeminate conducts. Why we must let to us influence by the doctrines that other churches that are not of Christ practice? We know that that is not well. We must order to us to only do what he is sent to us in his Word. We, do not have in addition, to let to us guide reason why we like. Perhaps or, we will be saved to make the things that we like. Or, it is the will of Christ, or, it is our will. One of two. You in truth love Christ? You remembers, he came to this one world to die in a cross by you, he suffered what you had not suffered.

We, we must order us to take care of the children, to the young people, because they are the next generation, they will be those that will speak from Christ to others. We do not damage the future of them, we we try to maintain our testimony in the hight.
Please brothers, publish this small article and to place it in an informative mural of the Church. If you have some commentary they can write me.

I´m Angelo Munoz
I´m 19 years old.
young member and leader in the church of Christ in Santiago, Panamá.

Write me by:
Angelo Munoz
Iglesia De Cristo
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Santiago, Veraguas
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Olivia
Olivia

December 27th, 2003, 12:56 am #9

How can an act described in the Bible as an abomination be sanctified by the church?


Episcopal News
New same-sex rites resolution emerges
Blessing may appear in Enriching Our Worship

http://snurl.com/1ylx
It is sad when we even have to ask the question: Can a Christian be a homosexual. Anyone who dilegently searches the Scriptures, will see the answer is no. God burned Sodom and Ghommorah because of homosexuality.
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Andy
Andy

November 1st, 2004, 6:34 pm #10

True, God does not condone the sin of homosexuality and Christians shouldn't either. But it sickens me to see some so-called Christians carrying signs and shouting statements that homosexuals all have AIDS and that they are going to burn in hell. First of all, not all homosexuals have HIV and there are some heterosexuals who have the disease, so it's not an exclusively "gay" disease. Second, it is not within our rights as human beings to condemn anyone to hell, regardless of their sin. Only God has the right to judge. Yes, I can say that the sin of homosexuality can cause one to lose his/her eternal soul, but I can never be so presumptuous to point the finger at a person and tell him/her that they are hell-bound. Scripture tells us time and again that we are to love the sinner, yet hate the sin. Hating sin does NOT mean hating the sinner. If God hated sinners, we'd all be in big trouble! Unless we extend God's love to sinners and share the Gospel of Christ with them (yes, even the gay community), then we have broken the command of the Great Commission to go into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature.
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