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shawn
shawn

November 8th, 2002, 10:50 pm #1

well, the watch collector (ramon) came through for me again and just arrived was an "as is" but all original 2205-0769. I believe the serial number dates this to 1980 because, I do not believe, but may be quite wrong, that this model was not made in 1970 or 1990.
I have seen some later 2205 models that do not say "professional" and chronograph.com has a same sized one that is a 4205 movement (not to mention the larger two sizes available in 4205).
anyways, crystal is dinged and buffed to stink, readbale at most angles:), hands look all original and dial is ok, but overall both need new lume and cleaing. bezel turns fine, but the insert is rough! orginal pins but not band, now this size is hard to find a band for!
dialis marked japan and case back is japan-a stamped. this is not marked "daineisokha" or whatever some of the earlier 2205 ladies professionals are marked. this runs like a champ... but- way too fast, I mean like 10 to 15 seconds fast a minute!
I think someone messed with the regulator arm us mortals are not supposed to touch. playing with the ok to touch arm ranges me from 6 to 12 seconds fast a minute full trial of postions. some postions stop the movement. I even played with the taboo arm, and still cannot get a good accuarcy out of it. but, correct me if I am wrong, but running too fast beats not running, running to slow, and start and stop respectively, does it not. based on previous recent dealings, "movement repair" and regulation at coserve should run me 67 to 81 dollars. this also gets a free cleaning, gaskets, and pressure test. if available, nos hands and bezel insert would be about 20$ total. that still would leave me with an ugly dial, good thing lots in our cliche are good at relume!
anyways, this goes into my huge pile of vintage needing service. I am a 600m vintage auto, a 6306, and a "water proof" dialed 6105 away from stopping collecting (hah- that is my plan, but man, these trade forums and ebay are hard to resist, let alone japan yahoo!) I want another of these or two so each kid (third is on the way) will have a diver to start with and then start at least their first kid with.
I figure 100-175 bucks total for a working to primo piece when all is said and done. I know a new 4205 this size is 150 from lee, but gosh darn it, its not vintage and does not say "professional".
please add scans, models, info on the 2205 series to this post, as I consider it the start of our 2205 database.
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petew
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November 8th, 2002, 10:54 pm #2

I just wish they were bigger so I could wear one.....I think they have the coolest hands of all the Seiko divers though...

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shawn
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November 8th, 2002, 11:15 pm #3

well, the watch collector (ramon) came through for me again and just arrived was an "as is" but all original 2205-0769. I believe the serial number dates this to 1980 because, I do not believe, but may be quite wrong, that this model was not made in 1970 or 1990.
I have seen some later 2205 models that do not say "professional" and chronograph.com has a same sized one that is a 4205 movement (not to mention the larger two sizes available in 4205).
anyways, crystal is dinged and buffed to stink, readbale at most angles:), hands look all original and dial is ok, but overall both need new lume and cleaing. bezel turns fine, but the insert is rough! orginal pins but not band, now this size is hard to find a band for!
dialis marked japan and case back is japan-a stamped. this is not marked "daineisokha" or whatever some of the earlier 2205 ladies professionals are marked. this runs like a champ... but- way too fast, I mean like 10 to 15 seconds fast a minute!
I think someone messed with the regulator arm us mortals are not supposed to touch. playing with the ok to touch arm ranges me from 6 to 12 seconds fast a minute full trial of postions. some postions stop the movement. I even played with the taboo arm, and still cannot get a good accuarcy out of it. but, correct me if I am wrong, but running too fast beats not running, running to slow, and start and stop respectively, does it not. based on previous recent dealings, "movement repair" and regulation at coserve should run me 67 to 81 dollars. this also gets a free cleaning, gaskets, and pressure test. if available, nos hands and bezel insert would be about 20$ total. that still would leave me with an ugly dial, good thing lots in our cliche are good at relume!
anyways, this goes into my huge pile of vintage needing service. I am a 600m vintage auto, a 6306, and a "water proof" dialed 6105 away from stopping collecting (hah- that is my plan, but man, these trade forums and ebay are hard to resist, let alone japan yahoo!) I want another of these or two so each kid (third is on the way) will have a diver to start with and then start at least their first kid with.
I figure 100-175 bucks total for a working to primo piece when all is said and done. I know a new 4205 this size is 150 from lee, but gosh darn it, its not vintage and does not say "professional".
please add scans, models, info on the 2205 series to this post, as I consider it the start of our 2205 database.
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2205-0760
2205-4090
orange dial. 2205-131 lr\0760.

and, from combing the search site, these 2205 ladies divers may have been made as early as 1970, but my guess is the 2205-0769 dates to 1980. any further info much appreciated.
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shawn
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November 8th, 2002, 11:16 pm #4

I just wish they were bigger so I could wear one.....I think they have the coolest hands of all the Seiko divers though...

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Paul M.
Paul M.

November 8th, 2002, 11:58 pm #5

well, the watch collector (ramon) came through for me again and just arrived was an "as is" but all original 2205-0769. I believe the serial number dates this to 1980 because, I do not believe, but may be quite wrong, that this model was not made in 1970 or 1990.
I have seen some later 2205 models that do not say "professional" and chronograph.com has a same sized one that is a 4205 movement (not to mention the larger two sizes available in 4205).
anyways, crystal is dinged and buffed to stink, readbale at most angles:), hands look all original and dial is ok, but overall both need new lume and cleaing. bezel turns fine, but the insert is rough! orginal pins but not band, now this size is hard to find a band for!
dialis marked japan and case back is japan-a stamped. this is not marked "daineisokha" or whatever some of the earlier 2205 ladies professionals are marked. this runs like a champ... but- way too fast, I mean like 10 to 15 seconds fast a minute!
I think someone messed with the regulator arm us mortals are not supposed to touch. playing with the ok to touch arm ranges me from 6 to 12 seconds fast a minute full trial of postions. some postions stop the movement. I even played with the taboo arm, and still cannot get a good accuarcy out of it. but, correct me if I am wrong, but running too fast beats not running, running to slow, and start and stop respectively, does it not. based on previous recent dealings, "movement repair" and regulation at coserve should run me 67 to 81 dollars. this also gets a free cleaning, gaskets, and pressure test. if available, nos hands and bezel insert would be about 20$ total. that still would leave me with an ugly dial, good thing lots in our cliche are good at relume!
anyways, this goes into my huge pile of vintage needing service. I am a 600m vintage auto, a 6306, and a "water proof" dialed 6105 away from stopping collecting (hah- that is my plan, but man, these trade forums and ebay are hard to resist, let alone japan yahoo!) I want another of these or two so each kid (third is on the way) will have a diver to start with and then start at least their first kid with.
I figure 100-175 bucks total for a working to primo piece when all is said and done. I know a new 4205 this size is 150 from lee, but gosh darn it, its not vintage and does not say "professional".
please add scans, models, info on the 2205 series to this post, as I consider it the start of our 2205 database.
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Hi Shawn
I too have one of these models and also love it. It has "professional" on the dial as well as "150m" and the Seiko rotor symbol. The lume is somewhat discoloured but the dial is in good condition otherwise, the hands look new, even the second hand. The bezel is stiff to turn, but the insert is in pretty good nick. I got mine from "watchco@vicnet.net.au" on Ebay (a fine company to deal with, based in Australia). The winding rotor, and the plate it attaches to, is loose in the back of the watch (!) but the watch still works fine and keeps time when you wind it manually! At the moment it's going to stay that way as I can't afford to repair it. I don't wear it anyway (it's way too small for me). The numbers on the back are: 2205-0760 and 760568.
You say you got yours from "thewatchcollector"? Well he is sending me some parts for my 2205, so he should be able to help you get some spares for yours. He's also sending in the same package a mid-size 4205 which will go with my other Seiko 150m divers - 6105, 6309, 7002 & 2205.
Enjoy the watch and good luck with the restoration
Cheers
Paul
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petew
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November 9th, 2002, 1:35 am #6

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Steve V.
Steve V.

November 9th, 2002, 4:04 am #7

I just wish they were bigger so I could wear one.....I think they have the coolest hands of all the Seiko divers though...

and I am looking for an orange dial and hands for it. It's my daughter's school color and I want to give the watch to her. Mine came with a slightly rusty movement but I have already purchased another movement for it. Yours is a fine example of the orange dialed one.


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2205 fan
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November 9th, 2002, 4:09 am #8

I just wish they were bigger so I could wear one.....I think they have the coolest hands of all the Seiko divers though...

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Steve V.
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November 9th, 2002, 4:10 am #9

well, the watch collector (ramon) came through for me again and just arrived was an "as is" but all original 2205-0769. I believe the serial number dates this to 1980 because, I do not believe, but may be quite wrong, that this model was not made in 1970 or 1990.
I have seen some later 2205 models that do not say "professional" and chronograph.com has a same sized one that is a 4205 movement (not to mention the larger two sizes available in 4205).
anyways, crystal is dinged and buffed to stink, readbale at most angles:), hands look all original and dial is ok, but overall both need new lume and cleaing. bezel turns fine, but the insert is rough! orginal pins but not band, now this size is hard to find a band for!
dialis marked japan and case back is japan-a stamped. this is not marked "daineisokha" or whatever some of the earlier 2205 ladies professionals are marked. this runs like a champ... but- way too fast, I mean like 10 to 15 seconds fast a minute!
I think someone messed with the regulator arm us mortals are not supposed to touch. playing with the ok to touch arm ranges me from 6 to 12 seconds fast a minute full trial of postions. some postions stop the movement. I even played with the taboo arm, and still cannot get a good accuarcy out of it. but, correct me if I am wrong, but running too fast beats not running, running to slow, and start and stop respectively, does it not. based on previous recent dealings, "movement repair" and regulation at coserve should run me 67 to 81 dollars. this also gets a free cleaning, gaskets, and pressure test. if available, nos hands and bezel insert would be about 20$ total. that still would leave me with an ugly dial, good thing lots in our cliche are good at relume!
anyways, this goes into my huge pile of vintage needing service. I am a 600m vintage auto, a 6306, and a "water proof" dialed 6105 away from stopping collecting (hah- that is my plan, but man, these trade forums and ebay are hard to resist, let alone japan yahoo!) I want another of these or two so each kid (third is on the way) will have a diver to start with and then start at least their first kid with.
I figure 100-175 bucks total for a working to primo piece when all is said and done. I know a new 4205 this size is 150 from lee, but gosh darn it, its not vintage and does not say "professional".
please add scans, models, info on the 2205 series to this post, as I consider it the start of our 2205 database.
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2manywatches
2manywatches

November 9th, 2002, 5:07 am #10

well, the watch collector (ramon) came through for me again and just arrived was an "as is" but all original 2205-0769. I believe the serial number dates this to 1980 because, I do not believe, but may be quite wrong, that this model was not made in 1970 or 1990.
I have seen some later 2205 models that do not say "professional" and chronograph.com has a same sized one that is a 4205 movement (not to mention the larger two sizes available in 4205).
anyways, crystal is dinged and buffed to stink, readbale at most angles:), hands look all original and dial is ok, but overall both need new lume and cleaing. bezel turns fine, but the insert is rough! orginal pins but not band, now this size is hard to find a band for!
dialis marked japan and case back is japan-a stamped. this is not marked "daineisokha" or whatever some of the earlier 2205 ladies professionals are marked. this runs like a champ... but- way too fast, I mean like 10 to 15 seconds fast a minute!
I think someone messed with the regulator arm us mortals are not supposed to touch. playing with the ok to touch arm ranges me from 6 to 12 seconds fast a minute full trial of postions. some postions stop the movement. I even played with the taboo arm, and still cannot get a good accuarcy out of it. but, correct me if I am wrong, but running too fast beats not running, running to slow, and start and stop respectively, does it not. based on previous recent dealings, "movement repair" and regulation at coserve should run me 67 to 81 dollars. this also gets a free cleaning, gaskets, and pressure test. if available, nos hands and bezel insert would be about 20$ total. that still would leave me with an ugly dial, good thing lots in our cliche are good at relume!
anyways, this goes into my huge pile of vintage needing service. I am a 600m vintage auto, a 6306, and a "water proof" dialed 6105 away from stopping collecting (hah- that is my plan, but man, these trade forums and ebay are hard to resist, let alone japan yahoo!) I want another of these or two so each kid (third is on the way) will have a diver to start with and then start at least their first kid with.
I figure 100-175 bucks total for a working to primo piece when all is said and done. I know a new 4205 this size is 150 from lee, but gosh darn it, its not vintage and does not say "professional".
please add scans, models, info on the 2205 series to this post, as I consider it the start of our 2205 database.
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Hi Shawn.

The clue is that you say in some of the positions of the regulator, the watch stops. Although that could be a messed up beat causing it, I suspect that the hair spring is buggered up, and in some positions of the curb pins, its being forced against itself, thereby stopping.

I would guestimate that the buggered up HS and/or probably other contributing factors, such as lack of service and the need for oil, that your amplitude is such that you can see the balance move, and its arch is around or less then a half swing, meaning half of 360 deg, or more easier, half a circle. If you can clearly see the arms of the balance moveing to and fro, its bad. When a watch with good amplitude vibrates, the balance arms will be pretty much a blur, except at their end of travel. Its this lack of amplitude that cuases the escape wheel to move much faster than its suposed to,IE: it escapes much faster than it suposed to, which translates into a higher rate. This is why the regulator pins have no affect on its timing.

Best regards, and have fun.
Randall
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