Why space exploration is about over

Why space exploration is about over

Late 21st Century Man
Late 21st Century Man

January 15th, 2004, 6:36 am #1

Despite Bush's bold but unfundable proposal today, there isn't going to be any new "space age" for a fundamental physical reason:

Has Humanity Already Shot Their (Space) Bolt?
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Bryan
Bryan

January 15th, 2004, 7:22 am #2

Our future in Inter Space, not Outer Space.
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January 15th, 2004, 2:44 pm #3

What do you mean?
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January 15th, 2004, 2:58 pm #4

Despite Bush's bold but unfundable proposal today, there isn't going to be any new "space age" for a fundamental physical reason:

Has Humanity Already Shot Their (Space) Bolt?
Jay's opening joke was about Bush's announcement of going to the moon. "That would be great!", he quipped, "if this were the 1960's", and then gave a dumb look pushing his mouth sideways. He had a similar quip when China announced they put a man in orbit. It was definitely funny. We've all seen newsreels of Kennedy announcing the manned mission to the moon in 1963 and Bush is certainly no Kennedy.

Now, to the point about oil. There is a lot to be said on the article 21CMan posted and I won't deal with it at the moment. Cryonicists, in my view, would do well to NEVER ever mention energy "problems" with at least making passing reference to "solutions". WE all know that increasing energy throughput is essential to what WE think of as progress. Just because oil isn't as cheap and as plentiful as it was before does NOT imply anything other than the next stage of human civilizational advance through the development of the harnessing of fusion power. The single best point of reference for this is DAVID LERNER'S "BBNH" book (The Big Bang Never Happened) where the history and future of our energy creation is surveyed in an awesome panoramic way. While we're working on fusion and plasma, we need to build the new-technology fission reactors for direct electricity production and for indirect power transfer through hydrogen and for desalination. The oil problem is guaranteed to be used by so-called "environmentalists" and other "anti-population-growth" dupes and lackies to convince people that we need to stop our quest to exercise our Capax Dei (capacity to be like God). I'll look at this article again this coming week. Thanks 21CMan for the link.


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January 16th, 2004, 1:45 pm #5

Despite Bush's bold but unfundable proposal today, there isn't going to be any new "space age" for a fundamental physical reason:

Has Humanity Already Shot Their (Space) Bolt?
In the Superman story, Jor-el, Superman's father, arranges to have his son shot off into space toward Earth before Krypton explodes. Taking a cue from that, perhaps human colonization of Mars wouldn't require a new space age as much as a handful of supermen to do the job. If we start planning genetic enhancements to toughen man up, now, we might be able to prepare a crew for Mars by the end of this century. The spin-offs from that research and develoment would be incalculable and would probably include solving ageing.

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January 16th, 2004, 1:47 pm #6

Despite Bush's bold but unfundable proposal today, there isn't going to be any new "space age" for a fundamental physical reason:

Has Humanity Already Shot Their (Space) Bolt?
Real men terraform planets. Exploration is for boys.
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January 16th, 2004, 1:56 pm #7

Despite Bush's bold but unfundable proposal today, there isn't going to be any new "space age" for a fundamental physical reason:

Has Humanity Already Shot Their (Space) Bolt?
...and realistic. I think Bush, if he were a real thinker and not some sort of political puppet, would have been more presidential if he had said that we want a Mars Colony by the end of the century. That would have put him in the history books instead of on the front page of newspapers for a day. 21cman has a good point about the oil problem and moving off planet, but he should really say something about energy and power solutions, in the same breath. The Age of Fusion beckons. The moon landing was just a taste of the possibilities, a kind of junior high school for mankind in terms of the effort. Now, the freshman university level for mankind will indeed be the more difficult problem of colonizing Mars, which will require new power systems, new materials, and new genetic enhancements to create a breed of supermen that can withstand the mission stress. Bush's recent announcement proves beyond a doubt that he has zero-vision because it's so unrealistic-- the way he put it. He sounds like a boy saying he wants to be a fireman when he grows up. A real man-president would have helped mankind envision a Mars colony by the end of the century, given form and framework to the entire hundred years ahead of us, expanding the vision of the citizens of all nations in a realistic way. Bush proves, with this Mars drivel of his, that he's a con artist and opportunist.
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John B. Krug
John B. Krug

January 16th, 2004, 2:51 pm #8

Hi: Back when I wasn't such a semi-retired spacer (shorthand for human space development advocate) we preferred the term "settlement" or "base" instead of "colony". Colony
brings forth images of foreign invaders subjugating the local residents into slavery, etc...Since there's no evidence yet of the little green people on Mars, it's easier on my mind to not use "colony" in these discussions. Because of this negative inclination to be conquerers, I'm doubtful that we're qualified at this early point to be admitted to the Federation...
There's work to be done. Later, John B. Krug
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January 16th, 2004, 2:52 pm #9

I hadn't thought of colony in that way, but I'll consider your advice.
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j.t. searcy
j.t. searcy

January 18th, 2004, 12:58 am #10

Despite Bush's bold but unfundable proposal today, there isn't going to be any new "space age" for a fundamental physical reason:

Has Humanity Already Shot Their (Space) Bolt?
Oil, oil, oil, oil,...ad nausium! We already have a compact, power-packed alternative to oil. Unfortunately it is currently too expensive to mass produce and the large infrastructure necessary to make it common is lacking. Those two problems require only time and engineering talent to overcome.

This wonderful, plentiful, you-can't hog-it, energy source is the hydrogen fuel cell! Within a few decades it WILL replace oil as an energy source. It will be "about time" too. Oil has many more valuable uses than burning and turning into smog! It is used anywhere hydrocarbons are required. Let your imagination run wild!

This is a very pessimistic article. It demonstrated absolutely NO imagination. One would get the impression from reading this article that the entire universe runs on oil! WRONG! It runs on hydrogen!

As far as Bush's "space initative" is concerned...it is silly! It currently cost about $10,000.00 to launch ONE POUND into orbit. As long as this situation exist, space travel will remain a government program, subject to the whims of congress.

What Bush should have done is give NASA the "initative" (spelled $$$$) to build a fully reusable launch vehicle. Not a vertical rocket but a machine that takes off on an ordinary runway, flys into orbit, unloads its cargo (which will include paying tourist) and returns to an airport to repeat the process.

That will allow the private sector (those dirty words again) to profit (uugg-how horrible) from space industrialization. This and only this is the key to our becoming a true space faring civilization!
Jerry

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