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August 25th, 2002, 5:25 am #1

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August 25th, 2002, 11:52 am #2

So this means university students aren't allowed to develop software for profit (i.e. to pass exams). What a load of F***ing Bulls***. The RIAA should be destroyed. People won't spend any more money on their products for this.

In fact, these kind of stunts only hurt organisations like the RIAA as they only get consumers off-side and waste money on legal fees.

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August 25th, 2002, 5:54 pm #3

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Disclaimer: I neither condone nor condemn privacy. I work in the creation of intellectual properties myself so I do want to see my FAIR share of fame and fortune for my blood, sweat and tear, but this has gone too far.

Just a couple of random thoughts:
I don't know what the latest status is, but a few years ago it was estimated that software piracy in the order of 60-70% (over 50% anyway). Now, I have lost count how many hundred billions Mr Gates and his cohort are worth. It's such an obscene astronomical number that I doubt it has any real meaning to the owners themselves.

Do these people deserve (more than) double their worth? (granted that if everyone has to pay for every piece of software, the majority of the pirates have no use for, and would not buy those software anyway.)

Piracy has always been the number one excuse software companies use for the high cost of softwares. So, how many more hundred/thousand billions does M$ have to make before we see prices drops?

Hehe, if piracy is already included in the price of softwares, does that mean each individual should have a fair share of pirated collection since we paid for it already. And since we paid for it already, is it piracy?

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August 25th, 2002, 10:15 pm #4

First off, I'd like to say that I agree with you. I don't think the software companies deserve a dime more than they have. They proved a couple years ago that they were incapable of sustaining real growth, and were just speculation bait, which happened to provide some helpful programs once in awhile.

But that's not the point, unfortunately. In a market economy, the quantitiy of money someone deserves has no bearing on what they have. It's all just what people are willing to pay for it.

The game theory model would be a hydra; it's a defect strategy that's based on cooperation against a party who is necessary, but only insofar as they keep alive and somewhat profitable, but will seek greater profits if at all possible... ah, my head hurts trying to think about actually modelling the damn thing. So many conflicting interests.

Maybe we should just nationalize the damn stuff. Buy out useful public software, and make it freely available. Developers could compete for the contracts. It couldn't possibly get any more innefficient than it already is...

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August 26th, 2002, 12:02 pm #5

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I will risk the flames in order to use my right to free speech.

America, Land of the Free, has had to have been one of the biggest bold faced lies ever made.

Lets see, we have a country found on rape, theft, murder, slavery, and the ordered genocide of an entire race of people. Only recently was that presidential order lifted and an apology made to the people who lost everything.

In this country your freedom and equality depends on two things, and, two things only. The colour of your skin and the colour of your money. Hell, with enough money, the skin colour issue can even become a moot point.

Does this surprise me? No. I saw this coming a long time ago. It is merely a paving stone for a whole road that is yet to be. Heck, with the way things are going, pretty soon our mail men and meter readers will start spying on us... Oh whoops, that's already happening. My bad. Beware... Your postman might narc you off for using Linux. My years of government paranoia is paying off, so many of the things I predicted years ago, hell, decades ago, are starting to happen.

Don't get me wrong. I fell in love a long time ago with the ideals of what this country should represent, and, I can't leave till I do my part to help clean it up. I will defend to my last breath the ideals laid down long ago in our beloved Constitution, and, will do everything within my power to fight this sickening corruption, this sick cancer that seems to have invaded this experiment in Democracy.

Power lies in the hands of the people. Use it wisely. Defend. Protect. Nuture what ever flame is left. Stand up, stand tall, most importantly, stand together.
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August 26th, 2002, 2:01 pm #6

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This issue is old and tired. Personally, I support the view that the ability to access content before one pays for it helps to contribute to sales of all types of media. This is what radio and television are all about. What this whole Digital Rights Management business is attempting to do is completely absurd. It's akin to making it illegal to record tv programs and movies with a VCR or taping songs off the radio. How are you supposed to know if you're going to like music when you buy it? With games, there are going to be ample reviews, screenshots, and trailers released before the game hits the shelves. With music? How can you effectively tell someone just how worthwhile a song is in words? How is a 30 second long sample of a song going to tell you whether or not you like a 4-5 minute long song? As for copyright protection on software, I'm not even sure how to address that. Personally, aside from a bit of software and a couple gigs of MP3's, (the majority of which I've bought the CD's for, anyway) I'm not terribly affected by this. Perhaps the only way this would affect me is my ability to obtain anime that still hasn't been licensed for an English release. Either way, it's still going to suck once TCPA has hit the mainstream.

Here's a related link:
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/%7Erja14/tcpa-faq.html
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August 26th, 2002, 3:46 pm #7

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Unpassable.

Unenforceable.
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August 26th, 2002, 5:21 pm #8

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that is the decoy.

the corporations (who are paying... i mean lobbying the politicians to push these bills) are trying to control the distribution chain/system. by forcing these copy bits on all hardware/software, they are not preventing piracy; they are controlling who can publish and distribute. this is history repeating itself. don't believe me?

the stamp act of 1765.
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August 26th, 2002, 7:06 pm #9

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Please, people, take anything you read in any media with several grains of salt. Particularly so for a sensationalistic joint like Wired News which just loves getting their readers all riled up.

This is a BILL, folks, and it'll never pass into law.
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August 26th, 2002, 8:15 pm #10

Disclaimer: I neither condone nor condemn privacy. I work in the creation of intellectual properties myself so I do want to see my FAIR share of fame and fortune for my blood, sweat and tear, but this has gone too far.

Just a couple of random thoughts:
I don't know what the latest status is, but a few years ago it was estimated that software piracy in the order of 60-70% (over 50% anyway). Now, I have lost count how many hundred billions Mr Gates and his cohort are worth. It's such an obscene astronomical number that I doubt it has any real meaning to the owners themselves.

Do these people deserve (more than) double their worth? (granted that if everyone has to pay for every piece of software, the majority of the pirates have no use for, and would not buy those software anyway.)

Piracy has always been the number one excuse software companies use for the high cost of softwares. So, how many more hundred/thousand billions does M$ have to make before we see prices drops?

Hehe, if piracy is already included in the price of softwares, does that mean each individual should have a fair share of pirated collection since we paid for it already. And since we paid for it already, is it piracy?

KoP
THat somehow, someway, Microsoft would be dragged into this discussion, since that happens at least once every other topic...

sigh

Ah, for the extremely short-sighted folks out there Microsoft is NOT the only company that makes software. Remember the Amiga? Remember how piracy essentially caused the Amiga to fail?

This bill as represented is pretty stupid IMHO, but I am ALL FOR knocking piracy off as much as possible. Imagine how much the economy as a whole would be better if those BILLIONS were circulating amd stimulating growth instead of funding some illegal activities some knucklehead chose to do.

For what it's worth if this bill were enacted I would highly doubt that the cost of software would go down, much as the airlines imposed a "security fee" after 9/11 and have YET to remove the fee, even though the workers are all supposed to be federally employed now, but until such time as people stop doing illegal things like this then there has to be SOME way to cut down on piracy.
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