Back to square one (success, or lack thereof ment)

Back to square one (success, or lack thereof ment)

SillyPuppy
SillyPuppy

March 23rd, 2012, 4:41 pm #1

So, after having spent some time getting an opposing opinion of how to handle the aging ovaries of ME and what might be the best protocol for success, I have now come to the conclusion that I have JUST ABOUT as much success TTC on my own as I would using ANY medical intervention AND I won't be putting my body through untold challenges due to medications AND I won't be potentially spending upwards of 20K per shot trying to have a 1% chance of success.

Who knew that being 45 was going to be such a sucky year?
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Kim
Kim

March 23rd, 2012, 6:27 pm #2

Feeling the same way if it make you feel any better! We are hoping to do one more round of IVF but with ZIFT - which is slightly more expense than regular IVF. I feel like the $'s would be better spent on other things we need at this point! I'm 43 but headed to 44 in a few months so wondering about making this last effort. If I just did not have high FSH I'd feel better.

I have a friend on another board that used the same doctor I am and tried ZIFT at age 45 and had success on the first try. She had NO issues with high FSH and responded well (10 eggs) to moderate stims (starting at 300 step up to 450). The RE put back 8 embies into her fallopian tubes. Anyway she must be in her second trimester by now - and passed the CVS test on her little boy a month ago. Any way wanted to share some hope and success at 45 with you!
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SillyPuppy
SillyPuppy

March 23rd, 2012, 6:51 pm #3

Yes I have just had a phone call with SIRM and while they don't say I won't have a shot, my takeaway from the analysis is that even with that shot I will be looking at spending a lot of money for very little chance of pregnancy at this point. The odds that they give ALONG with the odd of medicated TI or IUI seem to offer about as much success as my trying to conceive naturally given my only factors for failure right now is the diagnosis of DOR due to age. I guess some people are ready to jump on those odds but I am not feeling like I can afford the risk NOR do I want to spend the time traveling back and forth. I am not opposed to medicated cycles of IUI or TTC but would like to find someone who is flexible on protocol as I am not sure my RE is currently.

Ugh.

I might feel MORE inclined to be aggressive if I were 41 but at 45 it is like I have reached the magical cut off point for all success.
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SillyPuppy
SillyPuppy

March 23rd, 2012, 6:56 pm #4

Feeling the same way if it make you feel any better! We are hoping to do one more round of IVF but with ZIFT - which is slightly more expense than regular IVF. I feel like the $'s would be better spent on other things we need at this point! I'm 43 but headed to 44 in a few months so wondering about making this last effort. If I just did not have high FSH I'd feel better.

I have a friend on another board that used the same doctor I am and tried ZIFT at age 45 and had success on the first try. She had NO issues with high FSH and responded well (10 eggs) to moderate stims (starting at 300 step up to 450). The RE put back 8 embies into her fallopian tubes. Anyway she must be in her second trimester by now - and passed the CVS test on her little boy a month ago. Any way wanted to share some hope and success at 45 with you!
What WAS your friend's FSH by the way? AMH?
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SillyPuppy
SillyPuppy

March 23rd, 2012, 7:07 pm #5

We talked about ZIFT just so you know. And we also talked about EZ-STIM. My consult was WONDERFUL do NOT misconstrue my reality check with dissatisfaction. I found it to be quite informative and helpful and I learned a heck of a lot.

I was thrilled the doctor was so very kind and frankly humble in sharing knowledge.
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Kim
Kim

March 23rd, 2012, 7:50 pm #6

What WAS your friend's FSH by the way? AMH?
Not sure if she would even know what her FSH is or AMH. I asked her if our doctor did ICSI and she said not sure....so doubt she knows what FSH or AMH is-lol!!!

I laugh and wish I could be like these women who know nothing about fertility treatments and get lucky!

I think her AMH is lower and FSH normal because she tried IVF at 44 (a year earlier) her true first time and had 10 embies but none viable for transfer b/c she tried to do genentic testing. So, our doctor recommended she try ZIFT - and it worked on her first try.
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SillyPuppy
SillyPuppy

March 23rd, 2012, 8:18 pm #7

My FSH is 10.5 to 13 and my AMH is .55. My estradiol is kind of low: 21 and 12 but I had 8 AFC on a count recently.


I just do NOT think I can swing a ZIFT out of state and incur that much cost only to find that I not only feel like CRAP but I am NOT pregnant and 20K in debt. I think it helped that the doctor told me my odds were not great even with ZIFT.

UGH.
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ChickenLittle
ChickenLittle

March 23rd, 2012, 8:31 pm #8

I hope you can find comfort in the fact that you'll be saving yourself a lot of stress and $$$ by TTC naturally! It seems that the vast majority of women I know who get PG at 42+ do so TTC naturally, while ART procedures yield others no luck. It may be that the actual mechanism/integrity of the eggs of older women don't fare so well with all the stims and jostling around that they get with ART...You've got the same odds either way, so why not get down with your bad self naturally--starting by getting an ovulation/fertility monitor (if you don't already have one) and some good supplements?

I decided to let go of IVF after an unsuccessful cycle last year at 42 years 10 months. Once I really examined the stats, the 5% success that women over 43 have, at the top clinics, is matched by Mother Nature, so why throw away $$$ I don't have on such long odds? TTC naturally isn't stress-free, but at least the price is right.

Do I wish there was more I could try? Sure. But I have to be realistic and follow both my gut and my rational mind, rather than that keening, yearning, "OMG, I'll do anything as long as I have a shot!" part of my heart that wants a child so badly, it pushes me toward any glimmer of ART hope, however slight.

But enough about me! Regardless of what you decide. good luck to you.

May you find success! xo Chix
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anne
anne

March 23rd, 2012, 8:39 pm #9

So, after having spent some time getting an opposing opinion of how to handle the aging ovaries of ME and what might be the best protocol for success, I have now come to the conclusion that I have JUST ABOUT as much success TTC on my own as I would using ANY medical intervention AND I won't be putting my body through untold challenges due to medications AND I won't be potentially spending upwards of 20K per shot trying to have a 1% chance of success.

Who knew that being 45 was going to be such a sucky year?
most of us at your age have crap numbers. perhaps you could supplement with a bit of estrogen?
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SillyPuppy
SillyPuppy

March 23rd, 2012, 9:24 pm #10

I KNOW I asked my RE about that and she didn't seem to think much of it but she doesn't like my insight or questioning her knowledge much either. The person I talked to at SIRM today was SOOOO nice in telling me that she thought we should be able to ask our REs ANYTHING and they not be bothered and that they should be willing to try other protocols.

I AM eating food supplements that increase estrogen: Maca, Wild Yam and also eating a little more soy in the form of tofu but nothing crazy just to see what happens but wasn't sure if I could get a prescription and find a way to get some MORE into my body.

I do have another RE that I talked to locally that is a bit more flexible so if THIS RE won't budge I think he will.

I am in agreement that I might as well just TTC naturally because my odds are NOT that great with ART and I don't really have 20K X 3 to blow on trying. I COULD try some IUI with meds or TI with meds but then the question becomes WHICH protocol is worth doing AND am I messing up my old body by doing it.

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