approach CR with caution - from an ex-practicer

approach CR with caution - from an ex-practicer

Joined: December 20th, 2010, 7:38 pm

September 2nd, 2011, 3:53 am #1

Fertility is a very different matter from living long. In fact, having a baby inside you drains you away, because human fetus is the best parasite there is (in my obgyn's words). If you don't eat enough, the odds are, your baby will eat enough, just that you will get whatever is left over. Therefore, it is my intuition that our body must feel completely comfortable that it is getting all the nutrients it wants before kicking in high gear for a baby. I cannot tell you how many times I have seen OBESE (not someone with vanity pounds), just outright obese women graduating from IVF clinic, and skinnier women have to go back over and over again (including myself).

My DH (then BF) and I did CR about 10 years ago and got to know quite a few people who did the same. The biggest drawback is, you are constantly depressed and shivering even in summer. Typical CR calls for 30% reduction of normal calorie, so you feel hunger all the time. A constantly hungry person cannot be a happy person. The rationale behind CR is, you put your body in a slow mode, so your cells divide slower (because they lack fuel), your metabolism is slower, and you age slower, which makes perfect sense. It actually works if living long is what you want. So in a way, I believe that all your organs will age slower too, but here is the trick, how do you convince your deprived body that you are competent to carry a child?? And, when I meet these CR practitioners, I can tell that their brains move slower too.

We both quit CR after a year and half, because frankly life was not worth living if you had to be constantly deprived. CR can only slow down aging, it doesn't revive you. So let's say you already have a diminishing ovarian reserve, CR is not going to restore it, it is just going to make your oocyte supply diminish slower, in theory, which to me, is not a big help.

However, there is some merit to getting the right calories, because not all calories are equal. Do not cut any calories unless you are overweight, but being slightly overweight is actually fertile. Cut out all the bad empty calories such as sucrose from processed sugar, and concentrate on the good calories like protein, or fructose from eating fruit, and essential fatty acids that our body needs but cannot manufacture by itself.
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September 2nd, 2011, 4:11 am #2

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September 2nd, 2011, 4:16 am #3

calorie restriction
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September 2nd, 2011, 1:31 pm #4

Fertility is a very different matter from living long. In fact, having a baby inside you drains you away, because human fetus is the best parasite there is (in my obgyn's words). If you don't eat enough, the odds are, your baby will eat enough, just that you will get whatever is left over. Therefore, it is my intuition that our body must feel completely comfortable that it is getting all the nutrients it wants before kicking in high gear for a baby. I cannot tell you how many times I have seen OBESE (not someone with vanity pounds), just outright obese women graduating from IVF clinic, and skinnier women have to go back over and over again (including myself).

My DH (then BF) and I did CR about 10 years ago and got to know quite a few people who did the same. The biggest drawback is, you are constantly depressed and shivering even in summer. Typical CR calls for 30% reduction of normal calorie, so you feel hunger all the time. A constantly hungry person cannot be a happy person. The rationale behind CR is, you put your body in a slow mode, so your cells divide slower (because they lack fuel), your metabolism is slower, and you age slower, which makes perfect sense. It actually works if living long is what you want. So in a way, I believe that all your organs will age slower too, but here is the trick, how do you convince your deprived body that you are competent to carry a child?? And, when I meet these CR practitioners, I can tell that their brains move slower too.

We both quit CR after a year and half, because frankly life was not worth living if you had to be constantly deprived. CR can only slow down aging, it doesn't revive you. So let's say you already have a diminishing ovarian reserve, CR is not going to restore it, it is just going to make your oocyte supply diminish slower, in theory, which to me, is not a big help.

However, there is some merit to getting the right calories, because not all calories are equal. Do not cut any calories unless you are overweight, but being slightly overweight is actually fertile. Cut out all the bad empty calories such as sucrose from processed sugar, and concentrate on the good calories like protein, or fructose from eating fruit, and essential fatty acids that our body needs but cannot manufacture by itself.
Just kidding, well, sort of. Thanks for the view from the trenches. Very helpful!
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Joined: February 6th, 2007, 12:57 am

September 2nd, 2011, 5:37 pm #5

Fertility is a very different matter from living long. In fact, having a baby inside you drains you away, because human fetus is the best parasite there is (in my obgyn's words). If you don't eat enough, the odds are, your baby will eat enough, just that you will get whatever is left over. Therefore, it is my intuition that our body must feel completely comfortable that it is getting all the nutrients it wants before kicking in high gear for a baby. I cannot tell you how many times I have seen OBESE (not someone with vanity pounds), just outright obese women graduating from IVF clinic, and skinnier women have to go back over and over again (including myself).

My DH (then BF) and I did CR about 10 years ago and got to know quite a few people who did the same. The biggest drawback is, you are constantly depressed and shivering even in summer. Typical CR calls for 30% reduction of normal calorie, so you feel hunger all the time. A constantly hungry person cannot be a happy person. The rationale behind CR is, you put your body in a slow mode, so your cells divide slower (because they lack fuel), your metabolism is slower, and you age slower, which makes perfect sense. It actually works if living long is what you want. So in a way, I believe that all your organs will age slower too, but here is the trick, how do you convince your deprived body that you are competent to carry a child?? And, when I meet these CR practitioners, I can tell that their brains move slower too.

We both quit CR after a year and half, because frankly life was not worth living if you had to be constantly deprived. CR can only slow down aging, it doesn't revive you. So let's say you already have a diminishing ovarian reserve, CR is not going to restore it, it is just going to make your oocyte supply diminish slower, in theory, which to me, is not a big help.

However, there is some merit to getting the right calories, because not all calories are equal. Do not cut any calories unless you are overweight, but being slightly overweight is actually fertile. Cut out all the bad empty calories such as sucrose from processed sugar, and concentrate on the good calories like protein, or fructose from eating fruit, and essential fatty acids that our body needs but cannot manufacture by itself.
I think too thin can be a hindrance, in spite of what that recent study says. I think a body that is well nourished just naturally will be a better home for a baby to flourish. For me, activity is the key, not calorie restriction. I lost 20 pounds one time with no exercise and just calorie restriction and I felt horrible and my hair started falling out. So future efforts I kept calories up to a reasonable level and just upped activity to help reduce weight. Thanks for the post.

xoxo, Tracy

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September 3rd, 2011, 3:02 am #6

Fertility is a very different matter from living long. In fact, having a baby inside you drains you away, because human fetus is the best parasite there is (in my obgyn's words). If you don't eat enough, the odds are, your baby will eat enough, just that you will get whatever is left over. Therefore, it is my intuition that our body must feel completely comfortable that it is getting all the nutrients it wants before kicking in high gear for a baby. I cannot tell you how many times I have seen OBESE (not someone with vanity pounds), just outright obese women graduating from IVF clinic, and skinnier women have to go back over and over again (including myself).

My DH (then BF) and I did CR about 10 years ago and got to know quite a few people who did the same. The biggest drawback is, you are constantly depressed and shivering even in summer. Typical CR calls for 30% reduction of normal calorie, so you feel hunger all the time. A constantly hungry person cannot be a happy person. The rationale behind CR is, you put your body in a slow mode, so your cells divide slower (because they lack fuel), your metabolism is slower, and you age slower, which makes perfect sense. It actually works if living long is what you want. So in a way, I believe that all your organs will age slower too, but here is the trick, how do you convince your deprived body that you are competent to carry a child?? And, when I meet these CR practitioners, I can tell that their brains move slower too.

We both quit CR after a year and half, because frankly life was not worth living if you had to be constantly deprived. CR can only slow down aging, it doesn't revive you. So let's say you already have a diminishing ovarian reserve, CR is not going to restore it, it is just going to make your oocyte supply diminish slower, in theory, which to me, is not a big help.

However, there is some merit to getting the right calories, because not all calories are equal. Do not cut any calories unless you are overweight, but being slightly overweight is actually fertile. Cut out all the bad empty calories such as sucrose from processed sugar, and concentrate on the good calories like protein, or fructose from eating fruit, and essential fatty acids that our body needs but cannot manufacture by itself.
I read an interesting article once comparing our fertility to that of other animals. It pointed out that other species don't breed during their "fight or flight" phases (migrations, times of low food, stress on the herd etc). They breed when they and the herd are settled, have plentiful food and freedom (relatively) from predators. They might migrate once they have their young, but the mating and gestating happen when they are at rest and in peak condition.

I do think a lot of humans (me included) aren't at "peak condition" so I do think diet and exercise play a role, but I don't see why we'd be any different from any other species on the planet in needing sufficient "resources" to reproduce.

I'm with you...significant restriction would make life feel a lot longer too

Al

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September 4th, 2011, 1:27 am #7

Fertility is a very different matter from living long. In fact, having a baby inside you drains you away, because human fetus is the best parasite there is (in my obgyn's words). If you don't eat enough, the odds are, your baby will eat enough, just that you will get whatever is left over. Therefore, it is my intuition that our body must feel completely comfortable that it is getting all the nutrients it wants before kicking in high gear for a baby. I cannot tell you how many times I have seen OBESE (not someone with vanity pounds), just outright obese women graduating from IVF clinic, and skinnier women have to go back over and over again (including myself).

My DH (then BF) and I did CR about 10 years ago and got to know quite a few people who did the same. The biggest drawback is, you are constantly depressed and shivering even in summer. Typical CR calls for 30% reduction of normal calorie, so you feel hunger all the time. A constantly hungry person cannot be a happy person. The rationale behind CR is, you put your body in a slow mode, so your cells divide slower (because they lack fuel), your metabolism is slower, and you age slower, which makes perfect sense. It actually works if living long is what you want. So in a way, I believe that all your organs will age slower too, but here is the trick, how do you convince your deprived body that you are competent to carry a child?? And, when I meet these CR practitioners, I can tell that their brains move slower too.

We both quit CR after a year and half, because frankly life was not worth living if you had to be constantly deprived. CR can only slow down aging, it doesn't revive you. So let's say you already have a diminishing ovarian reserve, CR is not going to restore it, it is just going to make your oocyte supply diminish slower, in theory, which to me, is not a big help.

However, there is some merit to getting the right calories, because not all calories are equal. Do not cut any calories unless you are overweight, but being slightly overweight is actually fertile. Cut out all the bad empty calories such as sucrose from processed sugar, and concentrate on the good calories like protein, or fructose from eating fruit, and essential fatty acids that our body needs but cannot manufacture by itself.
I got my best IVF results when I dropped 10 pounds. Before that, my estrogen levels had been preposterously high. I had to lose fat, to get my E2 to drop. Maybe being overweight helps some women conceive, but it did not help me.
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